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Bernie Sanders is a Capitalist at Heart!

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posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: ketsuko

Exactly and that is the main argument against a minimum wage that goes straight to the heart of the matter. For sure it not only is a blow to his campaign but as blow to his philosophy as well.


Do you really think that $15/hr goes to the heart of the matter?




posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: MRinder

The Washington Post is a capitalist enterprise, just like any other that fills a niche. Nothing more.
And none of these "leftists" are leftists. The right just views the center-right Dems as 'far left' due to distorted US hype.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: MRinder

The Washington Post is a capitalist enterprise, just like any other that fills a niche. Nothing more.
And none of these "leftists" are leftists. The right just views the center-right Dems as 'far left' due to distorted US hype.


What exact views do these center-right Dems hold? Is Bernie a center-right Dem?



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Its just how it works, right?

If we want to address the "problem" that concepts like $15 minimum wage and even UBI attempt to address.. We are going to need to come up with genuinely novel and original concepts with actual, realistic paths to implementation. Hoping it "just works" and latching onto the first thing that comes to mind is.. Bad!

I feel there are serious issues with capitalism, best represented (imo) with current giants like facebook. But, Ill be damned if it isnt the best thing weve got.

For me, I really do feel that getting automation into people's homes is a real path to success. But, the narrative tends to either be talking about automation on large scales only tangentially related to individual families, or "automation" in terms of a fridge that makes its own grocery list. The latter is cool and shiny, but isnt exactly realizing the full potential available to us right now.

Not that any of it matters, I guess. Sometimes it feels like we are on a prescribed path with little to no deviation. Its why I stopped working on my technology suite and just decided to play guitar. Much happier
And, hopefully, the significantly reduced stress and pain buy me a few more years than Id have otherwise.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: MRinder

The Washington Post is a capitalist enterprise, just like any other that fills a niche. Nothing more.
And none of these "leftists" are leftists. The right just views the center-right Dems as 'far left' due to distorted US hype.


A bastion of 1% Marxists trying to control governments 😎



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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Bernie is proving that Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money. a reply to: DBCowboy

Tax the rich feed the poor till there aint no rich no more.............



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

Skills, services, the products of our labor have been the economy all the way back to before we were more than loose groups of hunter/gatherers.

Today is the very same thing. The only difference is the scale of it all. People forget that and want to think it's all different, but it's really not.

Your skills, the services you provide, the products you bring to the table are and always will be only worth as much as you can get someone else to value them at, and at heart, every single human on the planet is a greedy SOB who wants everything for free -- witness the rise of the pandering politicos offering free this and free that for evidence. So what do you think the push/pull is?

You want as much as you can get for your time and effort, and everyone else wants what you got for free. In market systems, individuals and groups are left to come to terms on how this push/pull plays out. Bartering is one form of this bickering by which acceptable terms are hammered out between parties.

In a controlled economy system, groups seek to leverage the power of government to compel outcomes favorable to themselves through force. Or government simply dictates what will be, acceptable or not, workable or not.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: MRinder

I love Bernie! If mainstream Dems don't rig the primaries he has my vote!!!



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: MRinder

The Washington Post is a capitalist enterprise, just like any other that fills a niche. Nothing more.
And none of these "leftists" are leftists. The right just views the center-right Dems as 'far left' due to distorted US hype.


Effing Hillary worked on Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign in college. She's a Republican!!!



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 01:42 PM
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originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: MRinder

I love Bernie! If mainstream Dems don't rig the primaries he has my vote!!!


You should volunteer to give him a hand. Seems like he is going to need more help after he had to cut his staff's hours.

Though I suppose it would be a waste of time, because there is like 0 chance in hell that the Democrats won't rig the primaries again. They are not going to let an Independent Democratic Socialist be the face of their party. They will pick a Democratic Democratic Socialist to be the face of their party.

Better decide who you love almost as much as Bernie but with a "-D" after their name.
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posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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Poor ole Bernie must be feeling the Bern now that his staff has turned against him and said he was starving then to death. It must really Bern his ass that they made their grievances public



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder
Poor ole Bernie must be feeling the Bern now that his staff has turned against him and said he was starving then to death. It must really Bern his ass that they made their grievances public


Starving them to death?

I don't understand why they were upset then. It sounds like socialism was working as intended.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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Bernie isn’t socialist. None of his proposed policies are socialist. The countries he wants to emulate are not socialist. The problem is the US has reframed anything that benefits the people as “socialism” so he had to take back the term just to convince the people to vote in their own interest, rather than corporate interest that has been indoctrinated into mainstream thought. Secondly, he isn’t running a business, he’s running a campaign. They don’t create or earn money, and shouldn’t be held to the same standards as a company. Lastly his policies don’t have to worry about “running out of other people’s money” for two reasons. First, and foremost is that under those policies people would have plenty of their own money. Secondly, the us can, and does, simply print whatever money is needed. They do it now, they’ve done it for 200 years. We printed out trillions to bail out the banks. We print trillions for banks to loan out to inflate housing and create banking profits. Honestly, if they had just printed out those trillions, and given them to the homeowners instead of the banks, all the homes would have been paid off, the banks would have been instantly made whole of all their junk mortgages, and the economy would have been doing far better than it is as people would have massive surplus to spend on goods. But in our current system it’s only ok to print money that helps corporate profit, not that helps people.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: pexx421
Bernie isn’t socialist. None of his proposed policies are socialist. The countries he wants to emulate are not socialist. The problem is the US has reframed anything that benefits the people as “socialism” so he had to take back the term just to convince the people to vote in their own interest, rather than corporate interest that has been indoctrinated into mainstream thought. Secondly, he isn’t running a business, he’s running a campaign. They don’t create or earn money, and shouldn’t be held to the same standards as a company. Lastly his policies don’t have to worry about “running out of other people’s money” for two reasons. First, and foremost is that under those policies people would have plenty of their own money. Secondly, the us can, and does, simply print whatever money is needed. They do it now, they’ve done it for 200 years. We printed out trillions to bail out the banks. We print trillions for banks to loan out to inflate housing and create banking profits. Honestly, if they had just printed out those trillions, and given them to the homeowners instead of the banks, all the homes would have been paid off, the banks would have been instantly made whole of all their junk mortgages, and the economy would have been doing far better than it is as people would have massive surplus to spend on goods. But in our current system it’s only ok to print money that helps corporate profit, not that helps people.


LOL, you should run for the Democratic nomination to run for President. You would definitely win. Let's just cut to the chase and let us print our own money and people can have everything they dream of. LMFAO!
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posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: MRinder

No, not even close. The 15 bucks is a symbol that he chose to hang a hat on. Not hanging his own hat on that symbol is him shooting his cause in the foot.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: MRinder

Could be. But could it also not be that the Post is not the completely biased socialist rag many make it out to be?


No I am pretty sure I am right. The Washington Post has left little doubt that they a completely biased rag. They are biased for the DNC. They are like one of the many other of the DNC's little biatches like CNN, MSNBC, and the New York Times.


Well now, you sure named directly from the approved list of culprits there huh? Has it ever occurred to you that that list was written by their competition?



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: MRinder

No, not even close. The 15 bucks is a symbol that he chose to hang a hat on. Not hanging his own hat on that symbol is him shooting his cause in the foot.



Well if he refuses to comb his hair maybe he should take that hat off of that hook and put it over that messy mop of his. No sense in keeping the hat on the old hook if he can't even live up to it himself.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: MRinder

originally posted by: pexx421
Bernie isn’t socialist. None of his proposed policies are socialist. The countries he wants to emulate are not socialist. The problem is the US has reframed anything that benefits the people as “socialism” so he had to take back the term just to convince the people to vote in their own interest, rather than corporate interest that has been indoctrinated into mainstream thought. Secondly, he isn’t running a business, he’s running a campaign. They don’t create or earn money, and shouldn’t be held to the same standards as a company. Lastly his policies don’t have to worry about “running out of other people’s money” for two reasons. First, and foremost is that under those policies people would have plenty of their own money. Secondly, the us can, and does, simply print whatever money is needed. They do it now, they’ve done it for 200 years. We printed out trillions to bail out the banks. We print trillions for banks to loan out to inflate housing and create banking profits. Honestly, if they had just printed out those trillions, and given them to the homeowners instead of the banks, all the homes would have been paid off, the banks would have been instantly made whole of all their junk mortgages, and the economy would have been doing far better than it is as people would have massive surplus to spend on goods. But in our current system it’s only ok to print money that helps corporate profit, not that helps people.


LOL, you should run for the Democratic nomination to run for President. You would definitely win. Let's just cut to the chase and let us print our own money and people can have everything they dream of. LMFAO!


Seriously, that’s what we already do. That’s why the banks are so rich they control society.



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: MRinder

No, not even close. The 15 bucks is a symbol that he chose to hang a hat on. Not hanging his own hat on that symbol is him shooting his cause in the foot.


He’s not offering free healthcare to people either, even though he advocates that. Want to hang him for that too? I think he’s a proponent of free education as well, but you don’t see him giving free history classes. Oh noes!



posted on Jul, 21 2019 @ 06:44 PM
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Approved list? It's plain as day that "the list" is biased for the DNC. Have you never watched or read any of these, because you must not have if you are going to claim the are unbiased. I will give you that Fox is biased in the other direction, but i can already see them working their way over to the dark side since the boys took over. Just give them a few more years to finish the job.


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