City of Minneapolis Secretly Legalizes Voter Fraud

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

So...disabled folk, blind folk etc etc?

Has any other city or state followed suit or is Minneapolis following someone else's footsteps?

Also, why is it Minneapolis and not the entire state (Minnesota)? Does the state legislature not have anything to say about this?

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: annoyedpharmacist
This is concerning. No one should be able to vote for you, BUT YOU, period.

Following this to its logical conclusion, next year I am going to spend a lot of time and energy to get a bill passed that says when I vote in Montana, it actually reflects everyone in Montana.

"And One Vote to Rule Them All" will be the name of the bill.

BRB... need to buy some Democratic leaders in Montana to make this happen!!!

ETA... Don't worry... you can buy them for pennies on the dollar in this state!

Just ask Jon Tester!

Wouldn't matter, Montana is a red state anyway.

TBH we should just sell Montana to Canada and make Puerto Rico state #50

Doesn't Montana have the lowest people per square mile of any state?

That's the reason it's Red and Right... People who don't like living amongst other people.

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

That's exactly how I read the op too.

A citizen can vouch/verify that another person is eligible/entitled to a vote.

It doesn't mean that citizen gets to use the votes of those people he's vouched for. It means those he vouches for will each be allowed a vote.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"A study released the same year by News21, an Arizona State University reporting project, identified a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation in the United States since 2000. The same study found that for every case of voter impersonation, there were 207 cases of other types of election fraud."

Every study has shown voter fraud IS NOT A PROBLEM.

However, voter suppression prevents millions of Democrats from voting.

Exactly!

It's been proven voter fraud is a figment of the rights imagination outside literally a handful of cases (many of which are actually republicans) every election cycle.

The BIGGER issue is gerrymandering and voter suppression, which run rampant.

Right wingers can't fathom that real living breathing humans have left wing beleifs, so much that if we win or have a high voter turnout they assume it's fraud. It doesn't makes sense they feel that way considering it's a known validated statistic that liberals strongly outnumber conservatives in this country.

The only thing holding the right together is the electoral college and gerrymandered districts.

The topic in question here, the ability to cast votes for others is simply a counter tactic to voter surpression. In order to vote you need to be registered, most people register when they get their drivers licenses. If you don't have one or don't get one.. you have to put of.your way to register. Also, to get a voter ID card, you need a stable address.. what do.you do of you're semi-transient? Let's say you don't have alot of $$ so you have to constantly move.between shelters and homes in different parts of the city? The processing time for you voter ID to be made and sent to you in the mail may not work for your lifestyle. What if your registered in a district on the other side of town and you don't have easy access to transportation or a stable address to send a mail ballot to?

These are the circumstances that this law is accounting for. It's to give the transient/homeless community, and the elderly community with low income the ability to have their votes counted.

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

That's exactly how I read the op too.

A citizen can vouch/verify that another person is eligible/entitled to a vote.

It doesn't mean that citizen gets to use the votes of those people he's vouched for. It means those he vouches for will each be allowed a vote.

I stopped lurking just to post to this.

These two are the only ones that actually read the posted laws. the voucher can not vote for 8 people. They can only vouch for their address and that they are eligible to vote. Also, this is not a new law. It has been on the books for a while.

I am not saying it is a good law, just not quite as bad as you all are making it sound.

I do think that you should have an ID to vote and this does contribute to some voter fraud, but it's not quite the catastrophe this thread is portraying it as.

originally posted by: Whatsgoingoninhere

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

That's exactly how I read the op too.

A citizen can vouch/verify that another person is eligible/entitled to a vote.

It doesn't mean that citizen gets to use the votes of those people he's vouched for. It means those he vouches for will each be allowed a vote.

I stopped lurking just to post to this.

These two are the only ones that actually read the posted laws. the voucher can not vote for 8 people. They can only vouch for their address and that they are eligible to vote. Also, this is not a new law. It has been on the books for a while.

I am not saying it is a good law, just not quite as bad as you all are making it sound.

I do think that you should have an ID to vote and this does contribute to some voter fraud, but it's not quite the catastrophe this thread is portraying it as.

Cool. So I can bring 8 friends to the gun shop, tell the licensed gun dealer that I vouch for all 8 of them, and that covers the necessary background check.

What in the world are democrats/liberals doing to our nation? Easy. The same thing as Republicans, just a bit slower. But that's neoliberal corporate Democrats, mind you. How say? Because neoliberal Democrats are functionally equivalent to moderate Republicans in action and policy. They claim to be progressive, of course, but that is their byline; just like Republicans who claim to be for the working class. It's all a game, and those who keep voting for the same people that has given America 45 straight years of flat average family income while transferring trillions to the upper class over the same period, makes me question why? Do these people really like living from paycheck to paycheck while 1% of the population have more money than they could ever spend, their extended family even, and still wants and takes more over time? I, for one, do not. It's a parody on democracy, much less a republic, not to mention capitalism. America is a joke in every since of the word, because its hypocrisy runs so deep. Progressives are the future. True progressives. If you want a future for you, your family, your community, your nation, and even the world. Question is, do you want a future?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

by Mindy Robinson July 19, 2019

Much like the way Jerry Brown passed “ballot harvesting” in California when no one was looking, the city of Minneapolis has enacted “vote vouching.”

That’s when someone votes for up to eight other people, and man….I can just guarantee you that they’ll all happen to be Democrat.

Voting has to be done in person in almost every other country in the world. In what joke of a process, are we letting people show up to vote for other people? If they’re disabled…they can mail in their ballot.

Another strange rule is that residential facilities have no limit to the number of people they can vouch for

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Link

Minneapolis has made voter fraud legal by allowing a person to vouch for 8 people. It doesn't even say those people have to be able to legally vote...

Here is proof directly from Minnesota's voter registration page.

vote.minneapolismn.gov...

What in the world are democrats/liberals doing to our nation?

No, it didn't.

It's clear in the image the original author posted that you can vouch for someone who is registering (implying being present) to vote.

The original author doesn't understand how it works.

I could vouch for a registering voters address, but I can't vote for them.

Have a good day.

a reply to: tabularosa

... you have it quite backwards. It was reagan who joked: what's the difference between a republican and a democrat? It takes the republican an extra day to become communist.

Although I guess if you view it through a backwards progressive lens, you're right. In your view turning the country back into the bastion of freedom, law and order, is a terrible thing. To you, progress is moving towards communism.

Of course, you could go live in china or cuba if that's the kind of progress you want. "ThIs TiMe WiLl Be DiFfErEnt" though. You could try venezuela if you'd like. I forget "tHaT's NoT rEaL sOcIaLiSm," silly me. Try asking the venezuelans about how their paychecks have progressed. Word on the street is they're all making millions... but it still isn't enough to buy a loaf of bread lol.

The progressives you speak of are regressives. They want to shackle us to a government, from which we can never escape from, even for a moment. Again, see china and their social credit system. It's not progress, captivity and tyranny are the natural state of mankind and our being free of that really pisses off "progressives." There is no other country on earth like america. That is due to the constitution, our founding, and our freedom. All the things the progressives despise, because they are regressive, not progressive.

We are the light. We are the way forward for other countries to follow. No, we're not perfect, but there's a reason illegals are beating down the door to come here. We are the greatest country on earth, bar none! Now you can either hop on board and embrace america for the beacon of light she has been since 1776 or you can get tread under the boot of the communists and socialists.

a reply to: NoYouAreWrong

Yes, it did. Once you're registered, you can show up to vote, right? So if you're here illegally and someone vouches for you, you can vote, right?

a reply to: dfnj2015

Moving goal posts much? "voter impersonation" is only one kind of voter fraud, and because a group that doesn't want to find voter fraud doesn't find it is dubious. Beyond that, only 10 cases of it existing shows very clearly that the law simply is not being enforced.

www.sciencedirect.com...

Abstract
In spite of substantial public controversy, very little reliable data exists concerning the frequency with which non-citizen immigrants participate in United States elections. Although such participation is a violation of election laws in most parts of the United States, enforcement depends principally on disclosure of citizenship status at the time of voter registration. This study examines participation rates by non-citizens using a nationally representative sample that includes non-citizen immigrants. We find that some non-citizens participate in U.S. elections, and that this participation has been large enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes, and Congressional elections. Non-citizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.

More sources
publicinterestlegal.org...

5,556 non-citizens have been removed from the voter rolls for citizenship problems in 120 of Virginia's 133 voting jurisdictions since 2011. In 102 of these jurisdictions, 1,852 individuals cast 7,474 ballots before election officials cancelled their registrations. In the other 13 voting jurisdictions, election officials have not removed a single record from the voter rolls because of citizenship problems in over 6 years.

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

originally posted by: NoYouAreWrong
No, it didn't.

It's clear in the image the original author posted that you can vouch for someone who is registering (implying being present) to vote.

The original author doesn't understand how it works.

I could vouch for a registering voters address, but I can't vote for them.

Have a good day.

But the OP didn't say a person can vote for 8 people. He only said they can vouch for the 8 people to get them registered.

Under the voucher rules, a person need not show proof of residency to register to vote because the person vouching for them is their proof of residency and proof of eligibility. Once registered, those people who were vouched for can then vote when the election itself rolls around.

So technically people can go register multiple times under different names because they need not show ID or proof of residency. Those people could register under, say, 5 different names as long as someone vouches for them 5 different times.

Of course to get away with it, they would likely need to register in different precincts. If not, on voting day the precinct may notice the same person voting multiple times in the same precinct. That means that they would need a different person vouching for them in each precinct during the registration process. But that would not be difficult to do with a little bit of organization.

a reply to: Box of Rain

Yes, I expect interstate voting fraud is what the aim is. This is the trial balloon.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"A study released the same year by News21, an Arizona State University reporting project, identified a total of 10 cases of alleged voter impersonation in the United States since 2000. The same study found that for every case of voter impersonation, there were 207 cases of other types of election fraud."

Every study has shown voter fraud IS NOT A PROBLEM.

However, voter suppression prevents millions of Democrats from voting.

Then how was Hillary able to win the popular vote?

a reply to: maitreg

The way this works; once a voucher is turned in an absentee ballot
is given to the vouchee. Then the vouchee can fill it out, and
hand it in. In other words, voter fraud.

Lets have a check on all of the vouchees, until then there is
no way to validate all of the vouched for ballots.

VOTER FRAUD IS REAL

originally posted by: Whatsgoingoninhere

originally posted by: doobydoll

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

That's exactly how I read the op too.

A citizen can vouch/verify that another person is eligible/entitled to a vote.

It doesn't mean that citizen gets to use the votes of those people he's vouched for. It means those he vouches for will each be allowed a vote.

I stopped lurking just to post to this.

These two are the only ones that actually read the posted laws. the voucher can not vote for 8 people. They can only vouch for their address and that they are eligible to vote. Also, this is not a new law. It has been on the books for a while.

I am not saying it is a good law, just not quite as bad as you all are making it sound.

I do think that you should have an ID to vote and this does contribute to some voter fraud, but it's not quite the catastrophe this thread is portraying it as.

Welcome!

Here is the problem. What is stopping someone from bringing 8 illegal aliens to a polling place and vouching for them saying, "I know these guys, I know where they live. None of them have ID's but that's okay, I know them."

New law or not, it is insane to let people with no ID vote simply because another person (whose intent, ethics, and morality are unknown to the polling place) confer voter status upon people whose identity/citizenship is unverified.

originally posted by: maitreg
a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Umm, no. Ya'll BADLY misread that. A voucher cannot vote for someone else. They can only vouch for the other person's identity, up to a maximum of 8 other voters. And none of those being vouched for can vouch for another person.

Care to excerpt and give a link to where I wrote "A voucher can vote for someone else." I am pretty certain it is you whom misread what I wrote.

originally posted by: doobydoll

That's exactly how I read the op too.

A citizen can vouch/verify that another person is eligible/entitled to a vote.

It doesn't mean that citizen gets to use the votes of those people he's vouched for. It means those he vouches for will each be allowed a vote.

First of all, that is not what I wrote. Read again what i wrote...
Second of all, this means that up to 8 people don't have to show proof of being elegible to vote, and when it comes to "a residential facility" it can vouch for an unlimited number of residents(in the residential facility).