The Conspiracy of Veganism - An Attempt to Malnourish and Weaken Everybody?

originally posted by: Mandroid7
Dude dghbcc see hjjftra.

Sorry, I had thr tofu last night, I don't have thr energy to type now

Potatoes, breads, beans contain vast amounts silly. And who doesn't like spaghetti?

a reply to: TheGreatWork

Again, that is solely your moral position and belief. You are fully entitled to it, but it does not make either veganism or vegetarianism a superior choice for physical health. It only makes *you* personally feel better about things.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheGreatWork

Again, that is solely your moral position and belief. You are fully entitled to it, but it does not make either veganism or vegetarianism a superior choice for physical health. It only makes *you* personally feel better about things.

Honestly, I did make the decision mainly from or moral perspective at first yes. And yes, you can be physically healthy on either diet. But from a "natural" standpoint, I do believe we are not supposed to eat other sentient beings unless under strict circumstances, if you will. They are here to advance to the next step just as we are, and just as we did.

I go by teachings and books of how things used to be before it all got jacked up. Always still much to learn of course!

Most vegans I meet are more vegan in identity than practice. Meaning they are more interested in telling people they are vegan than actually making a positive impact on the planet.

I know this by the amount of garbage from vegan products I now find when camping/hiking/fishing/etc. Just a bunch of spoiled brats who think buying a Prius and and eating cardboard makes you morally superior. Meanwhile I'm out here picking up their trash...

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: TheGreatWork

enture taxanomical orders - demonstrate that you are talking utter bollox

Your name shines brother. Not BS at all. I just read. People know deep down it is wrong as well, and they fight it tooth and nail because it requires real change which most will not care to do.

What's wrong? Eating meat?

You have heard of evolutionary development right? Forgetting the "moral" aspect for a second, meat consumption by humans (and antecedent ancestors) for the last few hundreds of thousands of years has neither been "wrong" nor "right".

Just because a culture does something for so long doesn't make it right. Even our digestive system, teeth, etc are those of other plant eating animals. Trust me, I love my bacon and steak but oh well. Lot's of great philosophers talk about the eating of meat, slaughter houses, the negative energies it puts out, and in the animals collective conscious a species, etc.

Taking of an animal for survival is one thing, but mass scale slaughter like today is bad juju

I hear what you're saying. Not too long ago, for example, millions of actual human beings were referred to as "animals". Their status was then "upgraded" to "savages". Now they're "human".

originally posted by: TheGreatWork
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Carnism is against natural law. You aren't supposed to eat other beings in the animal kingdom.I'd say it's mostly people trying to eat right, but there could be a side agenda.

What natural law? Lot’s of apes eat meat. Your digestive track is suited for eating a plethora of things. Unless you are talking about some huju gods will or whatever. Are you?

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: TheGreatWork
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Carnism is against natural law. You aren't supposed to eat other beings in the animal kingdom.I'd say it's mostly people trying to eat right, but there could be a side agenda.

What natural law? Lot’s of apes eat meat. Your digestive track is suited for eating a plethora of things. Unless you are talking about some huju gods will or whatever. Are you?

If people want to compare themselves to less intelligent forms of life, and then mimic them saying it's right, there is something very wrong. I guess if we see a male donkey trying to mate another male, we should mimic that as well. Maybe even eat our own feces.

ETA: Our digestive track has a harder time digesting meat,and if we compare ours with other animals, it similar to other herbivores.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

The great vegan conspiracy?

Not sure where you're getting this from. People are free to make up their own minds about diet and nutritional choices. Humans and their teeth and digestive system are decidedly omnivorous. Those flat teeth in the front...those are perfect for scraping meat from bones. Those pointy "eye teeth" are perfect for ripping meat. The molars are there to crush and pulverize cellulose to make it easier to digest. It just so happens that the molars are good at pulverizing animal parts as well.

While it's true that a great number of vegans are quite outspoken, the ones I know are generally low key.

But hey if you want to believe it's a conspiracy...you go right ahead.

About twenty five percent of people could be vegan if they made sure to do things properly. Another twenty five percent of people could be vegetarians, and all vegans could also be vegetarians. So fifty percent of people could be vegetarians or even more strict. To be a vegan or vegetarian is not something everyone can do. Some people are highly intolerable to many different veggies. Plant defense chemistries can cause a lot of problems and also some are good as medicines. You also have to support the right gut flora to be a vegan or vegetarian, most people cannot support high numbers of the bacteria necessary to do that, it can lead to the body constantly attacking the bacteria that are capable of converting veggi chemistry to what they need. Cobalamin in the right form requires specific microbes in the gut, those microbes often are not present. You can get that from nutritional yeast sometimes, but some people cannot uptake that properly unless it is refined into a pill.

Butrate is needed in our body to help with GABA, plants can't form butyrate, specific gut flora can create it but many chemicals in foods and added food chemistry kill off that bacteria. Butyrate is in butter, I get mine that way. Look at the name of GABA...GAMMA-AMINOBUTYRIC ACID)...see the butyr in the name. Butyrate calms people. Skim milk has very little Butyrate, soy milk has none.

a reply to: TheGreatWork

Again the main word is *believe*. You belive that, and that's great. I am happy for you, but I and many others do not share that belief.

At this point, you need to accept that you are proselytizing as much as any religious adherent does, no more, no less.

Repent ye sinner lest ye die!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheGreatWork

Again the main word is *believe*. You belive that, and that's great. I am happy for you, but I and many others do not share that belief.

At this point, you need to accept that you are proselytizing as much as any religious adherent does, no more, no less.

Repent ye sinner lest ye die!

I get what your saying.

As a vegan of almost 30 years it's almost always the non-vegans that have much more of an issue with vegans than the other way around. As evidenced in this thread, yet again. Y'all will cherrypick a one or two loudmouth people and paint broad strokes, as always.

At close to 50, I almost never get sick, look well younger than my age (high school reunions... yikes, what happened to people), and am exactly the weight I should be (by old standards, not the new 'fat is ok' standards).

But go on meat eaters with your tirade. I'm sure you've met 'soooo many vegans' and know exactly what's up.

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: TheGreatWork
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Carnism is against natural law. You aren't supposed to eat other beings in the animal kingdom.I'd say it's mostly people trying to eat right, but there could be a side agenda.

What natural law? Lot’s of apes eat meat. Your digestive track is suited for eating a plethora of things. Unless you are talking about some huju gods will or whatever. Are you?

If people want to compare themselves to less intelligent forms of life, and then mimic them saying it's right, there is something very wrong.

I guess if we see a male donkey trying to mate another male, we should mimic that as well. Maybe even eat our own feces.

ETA: Our digestive track has a harder time digesting meat,and if we compare ours with other animals, it similar to other herbivores.

Where did you get the idea that our digestive tracts find it difficult to digest meat? On the contrary...

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: TheGreatWork
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Carnism is against natural law. You aren't supposed to eat other beings in the animal kingdom.I'd say it's mostly people trying to eat right, but there could be a side agenda.

What natural law? Lot’s of apes eat meat. Your digestive track is suited for eating a plethora of things. Unless you are talking about some huju gods will or whatever. Are you?

If people want to compare themselves to less intelligent forms of life, and then mimic them saying it's right, there is something very wrong.

I guess if we see a male donkey trying to mate another male, we should mimic that as well. Maybe even eat our own feces.

ETA: Our digestive track has a harder time digesting meat,and if we compare ours with other animals, it similar to other herbivores.

Where did you get the idea that our digestive tracts find it difficult to digest meat? On the contrary...

It's not quite as cut and dry. Meat can be harder to digest and I am sure over time we have adapted. Fiberous foods tend to move things along quicker. Combinations of food can delay or speed up the process, depending. Some people digest it fine like everything. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it is best though either. There is more going on in the unseen realms when it comes to animals and death in general. Different energies at play.

Many people believe a house can be haunted if a death occurred, but fail to believe there are not unseen energies at play when animals die as well.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheGreatWork

Again the main word is *believe*. You belive that, and that's great. I am happy for you, but I and many others do not share that belief.

At this point, you need to accept that you are proselytizing as much as any religious adherent does, no more, no less.

Repent ye sinner lest ye die!

Religion is quite different. People pray to a God more advanced and more powerful than them, while killing and feasting on beings less advanced and less powerful than them. Anyone who cannot see it is a psychopath sorry.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

IMO it's relatively obvious. Most of the people who are big on veganism are simultaneously staunchly anti-capitalist. So, extrapolate....

1. If you are an anti-capitalist and yet you are still living in a (largely) capitalist world, you have no choice but to participate in capitalism regardless of your personal views on it. IOW, anti-capitalists still need money. And in some ways, probably need more money than most people because they want to be heard and that's (generally) not free.

2. Some of them are probably deeply involved on the business side of the whole meatless/environmentally responsible/fair trade/whatever industry.

So I gather they are attempting to sabotage the meat industry. And simultaneously, they are linked to other (loosely) socialist groups. I mean, OK. It's one thing to feel sorry for cows or whatever but I don't believe for a second this is the main motivation for the entire vegan movement. I'm sure it does suck emotionally vulnerable people into said movement, however so I guess there's some overlap of "POOR cows!" and "Filthy capitalists!" This can only be a good thing for said activists. Obfuscation of motive is nothing but good for confusing enemies. And generally "We want to sabotage your industry" is not a good excuse for a movement as predominant as veganism. It sure helps a lot to have "POOR cows!" thrown into the mix to confuse people.


Basically, IMO, socialists aim to disrupt and sabotage any industry or business endeavor that makes a capitalist economy stronger. If you look at the correlation between who socialists are and what kinds of movements they're involved in, you will almost always find them deeply involved with these sorts of "causes".

a reply to: TheGreatWork

Nonsense. Go look in a horse's mouth and try to say you have similar teeth.

a reply to: TheGreatWork

Plants not being sentient is a rather biocentric view: www.psychologytoday.com...