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Kit Green, the Alien Autopsy and the Men Who Stared at Notes

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:13 PM

On June 4th 2019 a document labelled “Alien Autopsy Proof” was anonymously uploaded to the IMGUR site. The document appears to be an internal National Institute of Discovery Science (NIDS) memo from Eric Davis to Robert Bigelow.

Those on the distribution list of this memo included Robert Bigelow, Colm Kelleher (a biochemist), Eric Davis (a theoretical physicist), Christopher ‘Kit’ Green (former intelligence medical advisor with the CIA) and Hal Puthoff (a former Stanford Research Institute Scientologist). All of whom were working for NIDS directly or in some form of advisory role.

NIDS was a privately funded group who investigated alleged paranormal matters under the stewardship of Las Vegas billionaire Robert Bigelow. The memo includes various communications between 31st July 1999 and 23rd March 2001 regarding the purported recovery of alien bodies near Roswell and the possibility that a subsequent autopsy was conducted and captured on film. The document has as yet not been confirmed as genuine.

The Memo Summarized
Kit Green claims to have received some three government briefings about UFOs and aliens. One included alleged alien autopsy photos and reports.

Green’s analysis was summarised by Eric Davis as follows:
• There were alien landings later in 1952, 1953, 1964 and 1984
• The Alien Autopsy film/video is real
• The filmed alien cadaver is real, and is the same as the photos Kit saw at the Pentagon during a (2nd) briefing in 1987/88.
• He has very good reason to believe that the alien autopsy tissues are located at WR-AFIP (Walter Reid - Armed Forces Institute for Pathology)...
• Army physicians conducted the medical procedure seen in the autopsy film.
• The alien is not human....

The Genesis of the Alien Autopsy Film
In the early 1990s Ray Santilli (pictured below) was a rather small time music/media distributor. He later became infamous as the man behind the Alien Autopsy Film. A story that caught the attention of the world’s media and fired up the imagination of the people.

Here is the story of how that came to be as told by the various people involved. You should remain suspicious of all of their tales.

The footage in the Santilli film was supposed to show the autopsy of an alien found dead at a UFO crash site in 1947 near Roswell. It was purportedly filmed by a military cameraman at Fort Worth Army Air Base a short time after the body was recovered. As the alleged story went, the cameraman returned most of the footage but kept hold of a number of reels that needed further treatment and were never picked up by the military. So he stored them for forty-five years until Ray Santilli turned up in Florida in 1992 looking for old rock’n roll footage. But the cameraman had some entirely different footage to sell as well.

He sold twenty-three (maybe more, maybe less..the story varies) film reels showing an alien autopsy to Ray for $100k!

The "Santilli Footage" consists of four different films including crash debris, footage shot in a tent and the dissections and autopsies of the strange entities. The film was allegedly checked and shown to have originated in 1927, 1947 or 1967 by Kodak.  

The Tent Footage
Fast forward to summer 1994. Ray Santilli then asked ARK Music Ltd. of Milton Keynes, UK (owned by Andy Price-Watts and Keith Bateman) to enhance some old footage he had showing the autopsy of the Roswell alien.

They were unsuccessful but aware Santilli was “in the market” for such a film. So, they claimed that off their own initiative they then went ahead and created a new autopsy film in a barn in Bedfordshire. It was then edited down to six minutes of black and white footage and special effects were used to ‘age’ pictures and add “classified” notices to it. This has since come to be known as the “Tent Footage”.

shot of the original ‘tent footage’ that was not subsequently used in the 1995 Alien Autopsy TV show.

Santilli was not satisfied with the footage and told the guys at ARK he could not use it. So Bateman and Price decided to put their footage out on video as part of a film called “Penetrating the Web 2.” A production overseen by Bruce Barlow.

In early 1995 Reg Presley, lead singer of Sixties bands the Troggs and a friend of Santilli, began talking about the “Tent footage” creating a buzz in the UFO community. Santilli heard that the footage was about to be publicised via a TV interview. So he intervened by paying off Bateman and Price to hold back promoting their film for 10 weeks. Santilli wanted to launch his own autopsy film around the world.

But where did this “new” film come from?

The Spyros Melaris Autopsy Footage
In January of 1995 in Cannes, Santilli met up with Spyros Melaris (pictured) a magician and film maker. Santilli said he had some old deteriorated film of an alien autopsy and wanted to make a documentary from it. He showed Melaris the 'tent footage'. Spyros laughed as he could tell immediately it was shot on video tape. But he then went away and spoke to his friend John Humphreys (a model sculptor) about building a dummy alien for a 'faked' autopsy. (So both ARK and now Melaris both decided that they could fake some footage for Santilli before asking him?)

The idea was pitched to Santilli and he agreed a deal. Allegedly Volker Spielberg funded the £30k production for Santilli. This new autopsy was filmed in an empty house in London that was being prepared for conversion into 3 flats. The dummy was created by Humphreys and pigs brains and offal were used from a local butcher to add some authenticity to the autopsy footage. After a day filming the props were dispensed with.

However it was then decided a second day’s filming was required because the medical procedures looked wrong and the model of the alien was defective with a hole in the right leg. It was supposedly filmed the following day (we are told Melaris funded it this time) and a new dummy built for such purposes.

Santilli then distanced himself from the ‘Tent footage’ and began promoting clearer looking footage of what was promoted as a possible alien autopsy. At one stage he told Colin Andrews for Circle Phenomenon Research International Newsletter that he was convinced the footage was genuine because he "... had no doubts when I saw President Truman”. Santilli also told Philip Mantle (a respected figure in British UFO research) that "if it wasn't Truman, it was a damned good actor."

Any such footage of Truman has never surfaced. Nor have any so called ‘original’ frames of film showing an alien.

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:13 PM
Alien Autopsy the TV Show

The TV show “Alien Autopsy: Fact or Fiction” was broadcast internationally on 28th August 1995 via multiple TV channels. Hosted by Jonathan Frakes (Commander Riker in Star Trek the Next Generation) it looked at whether Santilli's film was genuine or whether it had been a hoax.

Various movie special FX experts, medical professionals and famed ufologists appeared to give their views. Although many who took part later claimed they were quoted out of context the film was edited to appear as if no consensus of opinion was reached and the show ended with an open verdict.

Was it fact or fiction?

The biological features of the alien creature were perhaps most contentious. The creature was humanoid, had a dark covering over the eyes, with six digits on each hand and foot, no hair and a pot belly. Yet the inner organs were not consistent with the physiology of any human being.

By June, 1998, there was published evidence indicating the 'Tent footage' to be a definite hoax. British ufologist Phil Mantle revealed the names of "those alleged to have faked the tent footage", as Keith Bateman and Andy Price Watts, from Milton Keynes, England.

The hoax story was picked up by Robert Kiviat in the USA and on 28 December, 1998, it was featured in a new Fox network documentary 'World's Greatest Hoaxes: Secrets Finally Revealed'. Kiviat was now debunking the Santilli story.

It was only after the 1998 Fox broadcast that Santilli claimed he thought the tent footage was a "practical joke" played on him. He was still maintaining it didn't affect the authenticity of the 'alien autopsy' film itself.

Then in 2006, with a British Comedy Film about this story about to be released, Santilli came out and admitted he had ‘recreated’ the footage from the supposed original film he acquired. Melaris later stated he never saw any original footage before filming his hoax. No ‘original’ footage has ever been provided for testing. It almost certainly never existed.

The alleged cameraman who Santilli bought the footage from was originally named as “Jack Barnett”. Santilli also claimed he was in 80s his to researchers in January 1995. It was later found that there had been an American WWII cameraman called Jack Barnett. But he died in 1967. He was also never in the US military. Just another fib by Santilli it seemed.

Santilli is rumoured to have made in excess of £5m ($7m) from his endeavours. Others involved claim they only made paltry sums for their parts yet retained their business connections with him for years. Even after the Alien Autopsy film had morphed into a comedy feature film in 2006.

Santilli doesn’t seem to have held a real interest in ufology at any stage of his life. If the original cameraman did not exist then who provided the spark of the idea for this hoax?

After checking their database, the UK based Mail on Sunday newspaper discovered, 4 years before the Alien Autopsy video was released publicly that Santilli had contacted the British tabloid claiming he had information on the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Shroud of Turin!

The truth seems to be that he was little more than a scam artist who suddenly made an awful lot of money from this episode and continues to milk it as long as people out there are gullible enough to believe it. The lies continue right up until today with certain UFO personalities still promoting his autopsy video as something real. Santilli even claimed to recently

“After more than 23 years living with the subject I still maintain that the Alien Autopsy film I marketed was not a hoax and that the film is a restoration of original footage and undertaken with great expertise by extremely talented and experienced individuals.

The film is a remarkable testament to a unique event in 1947 and the skills of the team used to restore the film.”

Ray Santilli


He doesn't seem so keen to revive any stories about the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:14 PM
Back to the NIDS Memo

The memo from Eric Davis to Bob Bigelow is dated March 23rd 2001.

Entitled Revision of Memo 2/23/01 : Kit Green’s professional evaluation of the Alien Autopsy (from the Roswell Incident) Film/Video and other related information.

As already mentioned in the OP the basic message to Bob Bigelow and Colm Kelleher was that Kit Green was briefed on 3 different occasions (in 1981, 1987/88 and 1991/92) regarding an alien autopsy in his capacity as an intelligence officer for the CIA. Eric Davis’s summary of Santilli’s film claimed

The film/video is real, the alien cadaver is real, and the cadaver seen in the film/video is the same as the photos Kit saw at the Pentagon during briefings in 1987/88.

Eric Davis

We must still consider that this document may well be a hoax and there are some reasons to believe it could be. However Richard Dolan recently interviewed Kit Green and after a “misunderstanding” has decided to not make the whole discussion public. However he has stated they both agree the memo is authentic.

.....One thing that I think is very important, and I don’t think Dr. Green would object to me saying at this time is that he “absolutely” confirms the authenticity of the eleven-page “alien autopsy” email thread that was leaked in June. Much of our conversation centered over the information contained within that email. The other fact of note at the present time is that he emphatically does not believe the being in the Santilli film is an alien. He was quite definite on this.....

Richard Dolan

By the time the NIDS email was sent, some 6 years after the original show aired on TV, much of Santilli’s story had fallen apart. Newspapers, ufologists and TV companies like TF1 and Fox news had already debunked parts of Santilli’s story well before the turn of the millennium.

Surely such educated people as Davis, Kelleher, Puthoff and Green would be aware that the autopsy film had been heavily scrutinised and everything was pointing to a hoax?

Even Bob Bigelow must have wondered about his trusted advisors it if that email hit his inbox.

Dr. Green could not have seen any photo stills from the Alien Autopsy as we now know Spyros Melaris created the whole thing. Has he really seen something similar?

If he believes the body being examined in Santilli’s video was not alien then what does he believe it is? The internal anatomy looks nothing like that of a human being. He originally said it was “not human”.

Or has Eric Davis “misunderstood” what Kit Green has said because he occasionally has communication problems. Perhaps because he has become accustomed to using language that has a certain level of ambiguity?

What Dr. Green actually confirms in his own words in the memo is;

"The video is real...”the body was not human"..."..the body looked pretty fake.."

Assuming this memo really was sent to Bob Bigelow then it would appear that Davis and Green were perpetuating a hoax with Bob Bigelow the recipient wouldn’t it?

Only Dr. Green and Eric Davis can answer the question. Green’s reluctance to allow Richard Dolan to release details of his recent interview is disappointing to say the least.

It seems like games are perpetually being played and ufology has yet another scam that for some reason certain personalities are unwilling to admit and accept this was all a hoax.....

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:17 PM
I still find myself in the "skeptical" column. I mean, why wait so long? If this had been released with say, other, actual, evidence I'd be less inclined to disbelieve.

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:40 PM
a reply to: LordBlackstar

I am guessing you didn't read the whole thread as yet. Because you replied 4 minutes after it was posted?

The bigger question here is why are various personalities like Grant Cameron and Linda Moulton Howe trying to make out the footage was real?

But more to the point.

Why were a bunch of scientists closely linked to the US alphabet soup agencies telling Bob Bigelow this was all genuine?

That is if this memo is real. There are still some things that need to be scrutinised.
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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 04:59 PM
Bravo, MM, another home run. I think you hit a bird.

My feel for Bigelow & the Birds is that they were taking him for a ride and milking his credulity (and finances) when it comes to all things paranormal.

The details here don't appear to contradict that theory. So Kit affirms the legitimacy of the email chain but now says no alien after all it sounds like? Dr. Christopher 'Kit" Green might be a sucker, but it appears more as if he's always looking for some. Of course, both could be true. Fore!

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:08 PM
a reply to: The GUT

The fact that he suddenly slapped the lid on Dolan putting his interview out there suggests all is not right in the bird cage and something rattled it.

If this memo is genuine then Eric Davis must have really taken Bob Bigelow to be a highly gullible individual too.
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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:18 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Well done, MM :-)

I think it is interesting to note that in the e-mail chain Green refers to several occasions he was asked to comment on autopsy footage/reports what would appear to be a being that was not human?

Now, why would the IC need a physician to comment and evaluate an autopsy? Were they making sure it would "pass muster" if someone was feed this material? Were some "not very nice" people pulling the good dr's leg?

I also find it revealing that Kit Green has some sobering ideas about the people who run the "really black projects". Too much Plato and Machiavelli, wasn't it?

The whole e-mail chain is very much worth a closer look.


posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:24 PM
a reply to: beetee

The whole e-mail chain is very much worth a closer look.....

That is the intention BeeTee. But we want to get it right and not give everything away right now. The conversation could well be very different if Dolan has decided to publish the interview. But he has currently decided to go with the "misunderstanding".

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:31 PM
Phenomenal thread Mirage. Enough to bring me back to ATS. Briefly.

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:40 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Dolan does promise to eventually get everything out but I tend to doubt it. It appears he's yet another gullible victim of disinfo---or the lies of an longtime & unrepentant fantabulist. Maybe Kit realized after the interview the size of the holes in whatever he was selling.

It is somewhat mysterious and suspicious that when Kit first agreed to the interview that he agreed to a transcript but no audio. A couple of reasons come immediately to mind; a tad of built in deniability or a fear of a voice-stress analyzer. Who knows but certainly to be noted.

What's both scary and disheartening for "ufology" as a whole is reading the replies to Dolan's pullback at the link. It's like MJ-12 and Serpo never happened in their mind---or if it did they were some form of partial disclosure by those fine patriots the Aviary.

Update on Kit Green Interview by Richard Dolan
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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:45 PM

From the AA Angle: In most cases you should follow the money. in this case follow the 'water'.

From the memo angle: Who debriefed Green in the government group, showed him the Autopsy photos and then never admitted him again?

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 05:49 PM
Superb thread, MM, and beautifully presented.

originally posted by: mirageman

Only Dr. Green and Eric Davis can answer the question. Green’s reluctance to allow Richard Dolan to release details of his recent interview is disappointing to say the least.

So, not even a transcript now.

Can we simply assume that Dr Green is embarrassed by the whole mess?

And why was jolly Dr Eric 'Hitchhiker' Davis so profoundly adamant that the footage was of an authentic alien autopsy?

It all sounds like the seeds of a disinformation campaign so inept that even Dr Green's good mate and Master Of Dark Scams, Dickie Doty, is lurking in the shadows shaking his head...

"............. bloody amateurs....................."

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 06:03 PM
a reply to: ctj83

From the AA Angle: In most cases you should follow the money. in this case follow the 'water'.

Aahhh the clear, clear water of Clearwater. Yes.

In essence, Ray Santilli and Gary Shoefield claim that they were in Cleveland, Ohio in 1992 trying to obtain rare home movie footage of Elvis Presley. Santilli was contacted by an ex-US army cameraman, offering the Alien Autopsy film for an undisclosed price. Santilli travelled to Clearwater, Florida to meet the cameraman. He didn't discuss this with Shoefield until he returned to Cleveland. Santilli examined the film and was convinced it was genuine, but he couldn't afford the price being asked. 3 years later, Santilli had sufficient funds, and purchased the 22 rolls of film, but found that the film had deteriorated in the intervening time

But that's not the whole story as we know.....

But time for another 90s ATS hit or miss musical interlude me thinks......

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 06:09 PM

originally posted by: The GUT

It is somewhat mysterious and suspicious that when Kit first agreed to the interview that he agreed to a transcript but no audio. A couple of reasons come immediately to mind; a tad of built in deniability or a fear of a voice-stress analyzer. Who knows but certainly to be noted.

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 06:14 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Flag Ground Base?

In an alternate universe, Kyle Maclachlan starred in A Roswell that featured an alien autopsy. At least on the DVD extras.

posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 08:37 PM
a reply to: mirageman

Sometimes like in Hugh Laurie's words "Everybody lies". Despite the list of actors time in Govt it's impossible for me to believe they had anywhere near the clearances to be privy to any meaningful information. However due to their proclivity to talk it's much more likely they've been sold a bill of goods to distract the UFO community.

Just personal thoughts, but should we have recovered a non-terrestrial body it's much more likely to be stored anonymously as sample # than tagged as alien making it impossible to track. Granted people are stupid and do some dumb things, but you just don't label things that you don't want found accurately. It also occurs that we may not have an alien corpse hanging out, but more likely parts of one or just tissue in which case it would be more likely be tagged with a name closer to whatever is the closest thing we can match it to.

I don't think the "crew of regulars" are lying intentionally but after watching this long running train wreck it seems they want to believe what they think they know and it's serving someones interest to keep it that way.

Great thread!

posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:01 AM

The fact that he suddenly slapped the lid on Dolan putting his interview out there suggests all is not right in the bird cage and something rattled it. 

Something is very not right . Great thread but expect dicky Dolan and co to throw toys or shall.

posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:49 AM
ill add these from the book Mirage men from Mark pilkignton. on the mic is kit,hes talking about how to introduce the ufo subject as a gov to the people.

"The way to do it is to construct a framework whereby they can parse out the things that they've heard that are not true, and you whittle it down to a manageable story. A story like this: "There were three spaceships that came here over thirty years, and we've got one of them. We can't figure out how it works, we've crashed it because there's a lot of physics that we've still got to learn. We do have something that's like a magnethydrodynamic toroid, and it really did get a craft of the ground, but it smelled bad and it killed a couple of pilots. And we're really sorry about that, but we did it because we've got this machine that came from another planet, and we need to know how it works."

""If you were to give them the core story right off the bat, they'd get sick, so you do it slowly over ten or twenty years.You put out a bunch of movies, a bunch of books, a bunch of stories, a bunch of Internet memes about reptilian aliens eating our children, about all the crazy stuff that we've seen recently in Serpo. Then one day you say, "Hey, all that stuff is nonsense, relax, it's not that bad, you don't have to worry, the reality is this..." - and then you give them the real story."

as for dolan, my bs meter is starting to red zone. Its hard to build a respectable image but its really easy to destroy it. And since he is reading this forum , read this dolan and be extra mindful
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posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 02:12 AM
a reply to: IMSAM

I could recite those word's in my sleep.

As far as Dolan goes my BS metre went on red alert long time ago.

I wonder what next.

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