Trump is not a ''villian'', he is a ''vaudevillian''

a reply to: BuckyWunderlick

Yeah, that title was not my original title but as I was putting it together that title just kinda seemed appropriate.
However Bucky, I must dismiss the idea that it msm narrative driven. because the juxtaposing of the videos which are out there for all of us to see struck me in that fashion. That they seem to so coincide with the msm narrative can mean one of two things. Either my perspective is in lockstep with msm OR there are commonalities of truth in both.

IN searching out for videos to present my thoughts I found that almost all the videos I could find were already being presented by msm. Had I found those videos from more conservative outlets I would have preferred to use those videos but alas, the conservative media seems to be on holiday as concerning those videos.

If "Showmanship" is what's required to turn this ship around and inspire people to look deeper into the Facts, it's all worth it. Consider that Trump, like many of us, cringe at the follies of our youth, Grew Up and figured out what really matters , Faith, Family and Country. This isn't a bad or racist notion, that at heart everyone agrees with.

Omar, possibly not her REAL surname, apparently has convinced herself and others around her, that lying and denying her Family name, is not only acceptable, but necessary to force the American people to accept that her families disrespect for our laws is justified. IDK, I see a possible infiltration of our government by lawless scammers to be as important as shutting down our own homegrown traitors. The true Villains in this Vaudeville show will be clear to us all soon !

a reply to: operation mindcrime

I don't know as I would say'' willfully'' manipulated Crime. Being manipulable seems to me to be an inherent aspect of our peoples. I hold a supposition that this recognition of being manipulated is quite a modern occurrence, that is at least with the vast majority of people. What I see happening now is that people are becoming aware of the manipulative agendas around us and struggling against them. This is most easily done by at first admitting it is happening and this is most easily done by seeing it happening to others. Step two is recognizing that is is happening to us as well. That my friend is the hard part,

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Trump has turned our Government on it's head. That is what his supporters wanted. I think deep down we all were tired of our government and the corruption going on. Now that the camera's are turned on our Government the exposure is grand. Trump just plays the game better than everyone else it seems.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Fallingdown

And I won't. Because I do not know what the ''average'' American thinks, like you believe you do. But enough with entertaining your thread drift.

My bad here let me help you .

Even though Bernie Sanders, a self-described "Democratic socialist," has generated strong support for his presidential campaign, Americans' image of socialism is no better now than it was six years ago. Thirty-five percent of Americans have a positive view of the term socialism, similar to what was found in 2012 and 2010. The 60% who have a positive view of capitalism is also unchanged from six years ago.

Gallup

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire

I put it out there rather plainly Xtro. By having to ask what is the point it is clear that you either missed it or do not wish to comprehend it. My point being that this OP was about TRUMP and not about Democrats or Hillery or even about the four congresswomen.

My point was about Trump too as in explaining why he would do what he did to his advantage. Your OP also mention the four congresswomen as did mine so I don't know what you are talking about with that.

Your point? Trump is a showman that shines at his rallies as he energizes the masses as part of his election campaign. OK I get it... Isn't that the purpose of a rally anyways...so once again, what is the point you would like to make since your OP is 100% subjective reporting with no opinion as part of it.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Blue Shift

I"m of a mind that much of what you say is true. I am one who thinks that he was just in it for the brand boost, a leg up for new enterprise in media ownership and content. It was like he through the ring and hooped a Mercades at the beach arcade.

If nothing else, it just illustrated how so many people were frustrated with their lives and were willing to make any kind of big change just to see what would happen. Shuffle the deck and see if you get better cards. Time and history will have to determine whether or not it was a good change or bad change, since it's hard to see it as it really is when you're deep in it.

There are people who desperately want it to be good and there are others who desperately want it to be bad, depending on what personal baggage they're carrying into it -- particularly how they feel about ethnicity and gender. I personally think that the world is driven far more by demographics and technology than politics, and anyone in office could either luck into a sweet spot or happen to be caught there when the war, famine, and pestilence hit. Shuffling the tarot deck. We'll just have to see how it works out.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
To be honest...I can't hold it against the man. It's the crowd that is so willfully being manipulated that scares me the most.

Peace

Are they as scary as lets say ANTIFA. That crowd was having fun, Trump likes to have fun at his rallies, Rallies are to have fun... Those scary people, go to work, take care of their families and basically live a very peaceful American life. What if they chanted Get The F Out... in response to the Hollywood elite that said they would move to Candida if Trump was elected, would that be bad or scary too? If you want scary zombies here ya go...

originally posted by: MountainLaurel
If "Showmanship" is what's required to turn this ship around and inspire people to look deeper into the Facts, it's all worth it. Consider that Trump, like many of us, cringe at the follies of our youth, Grew Up and figured out what really matters , Faith, Family and Country. This isn't a bad or racist notion, that at heart everyone agrees with.

Omar, possibly not her REAL surname, apparently has convinced herself and others around her, that lying and denying her Family name, is not only acceptable, but necessary to force the American people to accept that her families disrespect for our laws is justified. IDK, I see a possible infiltration of our government by lawless scammers to be as important as shutting down our own homegrown traitors. The true Villains in this Vaudeville show will be clear to us all soon !

Yes, ''showmanship''..... I come from a showmanship family though that is another story. What I learned early in life from that was that showmanship was hollow. I found from my own experiences just how easy it was to get applause, to get laughs and appreciation. Showmanship does not activate our higher instincts our ability to truely assess the product we are being presented with.

And even though I have said in other parts of this thread that it is only about Trump I will say that Clinton lacked this ability almost completely and even when she tried would fall flat on her face. This was one of the reasons in my mind that Trump took the vote in 2020

But I rue the day that the Dems or any one else enters the White House on that platform. THat is why I hate the notion of Oprah running.

Your second paragraph offers to wide a swath of discussion point for here but I will address this specific point when you say

I see a possible infiltration of our government by lawless scammers to be as important as shutting down our own homegrown traitors.

Yeah......TRUMP...... and to that I can only hope as do you, ''The true Villains in this Vaudeville show will be clear to us all soon !''

a reply to: highvein

Sometimes the government is called the ''ship of state''. And while I agree that the course needed changing I don't know as that is best done by blowing up the engine room

a reply to: Xtrozero

Certainly my post is subjective Xtro. We all have that right and that right is what you and I and we all are fighting for. We all are fighting the mind numbing barrage of crap that is tossed at us daily.

As far as the post being 100% subjective though I disagree. He did say that he spoke up in that rally as quickly as he could when the evidence presented by those videos clearly demonstrates that he did not. He did NOTHING to stop the chant and only began his speech again once it wound down.....

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Xtrozero

Certainly my post is subjective Xtro. We all have that right and that right is what you and I and we all are fighting for. We all are fighting the mind numbing barrage of crap that is tossed at us daily.

As far as the post being 100% subjective though I disagree. He did say that he spoke up in that rally as quickly as he could when the evidence presented by those videos clearly demonstrates that he did not. He did NOTHING to stop the chant and only began his speech again once it wound down.....

I meant your post was more just reporting without an opinion of what point you would like to make as you reported the events.

I didn't mean it in a bad way I was just suggesting that a purpose of your reporting would be good too. You could have said that you feel Trump is the villain in this play he is acting in and here is why I feel that way. Then we can debate why you feel that way and why maybe I don't. My first post was to explain that maybe he is not a villain as you think he is and is more intent on manipulating the left much more than the right as you seem to suggest in his start of the 2020 campaign.

a reply to: Xtrozero

No definitly a different kind of scary...

Antifa are scary in that they use physical violence when words no longer seem to work to push their ideology. That doesn't mean I object to the use of physical violence when a government turns into a dictatorship but America is a long way from that.

I mean they (Trump supporters) are scary in that they almost seem to raise pres.Trump as an idol and loose objectivity. It's okay to stand behind your favorite popstar or football team no matter what but we are talking about a man who holds a lot of power in his hands and being critical should be a nr.1 priority...

Don't get me wrong, some/most(?) Obama supporters were just as bad from a different angle but Trump just plays the game a whole lot better....with the emphasis on "play"...

Peace

a reply to: Blue Shift

If nothing else, it just illustrated how so many people were frustrated with their lives and were willing to make any kind of big change just to see what would happen. Shuffle the deck and see if you get better cards.

I did not like Clinton and thought it much better to stay clear of that Clinton machine and was once again going to vote third party though when it became clear that Trump as tightly on her tail I conceded my personal honor and held my nose. Honestly until that night I had paid little attention to Trump at all thinking him a charlatan that the American people could see through. Again I was wrong.

At first I thought that maybe he would be a good thing, that maybe his business connections and all the rest he promised would be a good thing. Soon though I realized that that in that I was wrong once again.

Time and history will have to determine whether or not it was a good change or bad change, since it's hard to see it as it really is when you're deep in it.

How true how true, though how much time it takes is the tickler here. While it took me only a short while, how long it takes the rest of us will surely determine whether or not it was a good or a bad change. The bad change though may by then not even be noticable because,,, well, I'm not going to get into my deepest existential concerns right now.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: highvein

Sometimes the government is called the ''ship of state''. And while I agree that the course needed changing I don't know as that is best done by blowing up the engine room

When the engine is old worn out and not working, I don't think it matters. Replace it.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Democrats: Insulting Trump and Trump supporters for 4 solid years - and counting - and calling us every negative name they can think of.

Trump: Go fix the crime in your hometown and/or home country, then come back and tell us how you did it.

Democrats: OMG! You racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yeah, sorry, that # don't fly anymore.

a reply to: Xtrozero

didn't mean it in a bad way I was just suggesting that a purpose of your reporting would be good too. You could have said that you feel Trump is the villain in this play he is acting in and here is why I feel that way. Then we can debate why you feel that way and why maybe I don't. My first post was to explain that maybe he is not a villain as you think he is and is more intent on manipulating the left much more than the right as you seem to suggest in his start of the 2020 campaign.

Thanks. By now I'm sure that you and anyone else who has come across my post here know how I see Mr. Trump. Debating that for me seems almost useless as as you suggest earlier, it mostly comes down to a ''my subjective, your subjective'' discussion. There are just to many points to consider. Way to many. And based on contexts of understanding our human predicament that vary widely as well.

In this OP though was what I wanted to pinpoint directly rather than any larger issues we hold, that being his lies about the chanting and how he abandoned his followers in that brief moment to save himself.

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Trump has turned our Government on it's head. That is what his supporters wanted. I think deep down we all were tired of our government and the corruption going on. Now that the camera's are turned on our Government the exposure is grand. Trump just plays the game better than everyone else it seems.

If our government has now been “turned on its head”,

Can there be any argument to the resultant fact that it now, truly, Speaks Out of Its “A$$”?

Some might opine that such was always the case; but I suggest that the current product smells just that much worse owing to the change.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: Xtrozero

No definitly a different kind of scary...

Antifa are scary in that they use physical violence when words no longer seem to work to push their ideology. That doesn't mean I object to the use of physical violence when a government turns into a dictatorship but America is a long way from that.

I mean they (Trump supporters) are scary in that they almost seem to raise pres.Trump as an idol and loose objectivity. It's okay to stand behind your favorite popstar or football team no matter what but we are talking about a man who holds a lot of power in his hands and being critical should be a nr.1 priority...

Don't get me wrong, some/most(?) Obama supporters were just as bad from a different angle but Trump just plays the game a whole lot better....with the emphasis on "play"...

Peace

I understand your point, but we are only talking about a political rally and they tend to be that way no matter who is in the front...well except Creepy Joe's, his are rather snooze level boring...

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
To be honest...I can't hold it against the man. It's the crowd that is so willfully being manipulated that scares me the most.

Peace

Yeah really... We're so manipulated by a president that's fulfilled more promises in 2 years than any president in our lifetime.