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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Vhedza
What is wrong with most people's view of African society's is that they have a stereotypical image of half naked people living in straw hut's but while this is true of many African peoples it is not true of all, not by a long shot.
Those grass hut's are actually quite clever as well, warm in the cold night and cool in the heat of the day they provide a superior environment to the imported European style building's that were built during the colonial years and which were only ever suitable for colder condition's.
Then take the Zulu nation, they can be and have been many times in the past savage and fearless warriors whom would run to there death's against massed artillery and rifle fire with nothing but spears and hide shields but in fact they were far more technically and strategically advanced than this gives the impression, they independently recreated the bull horn tactic that the Mongol hoard had once used though perhaps on a smaller scale were the horn's would encircle there enemy while the head of the bull would distract them, they also independently reinvented many Roman tactic's such as massed shield wall's and shield roof's of tight formation's to protect there soldiers from the hurled spears and arrow's of there opponent's and at any other time in history they would have been numbered among the greatest soldiers in history - but they were up against what at that time were in fact THE greatest soldiers in the world's history - especially at Rourks Drift were there tactic's failed against the discipline and determination of a 'non front line' welsh engineer's army unit, they had however shook the British empire to it's core with there success against a far larger British force (than they just a few day's later faced at Rourks Drift) at Isandlwana leaving a disbelieving and shocked British establishment to find all manner or reason's to blame in the face of having to accept the unthinkable - that being that supposedly inferior savages were actually bloody good soldiers a stereotype that persisted until the second world war in many western nation's.
The usual and most probably accurate excuse for us having lost so many men to a bunch of tribal primitives armed with only spears and hide shields was that our soldiers could not get to the ammunition they needed as the ammunition box's had there lid's screwed on and they had no means to unscrew them so very quickly ran out of ammunition and were swarmed by the huge native army while the small Welsh contingent had time to prepare which the unit encamped at Isandlwana did not and were unprepared for the sudden massed attack of the Zulu warrior's.
After Isandlwana the Zulu tried ineffectively to use the captured British rifles having seen how deadly they could be but without training they could not aim them accurately and so when they attacked Rourks Drift these stolen rifles were if anything a crutch that altered there tactics for the worse, either way they lost to a group of tough welsh engineers and it remains one of the most famous battles in history that perhaps stand's alongside the ancient battle of the Spartan's at the hot gates against the massed army's of Xerxes.
But I have drifted a bit here, my argument is that they showed they were excellent strategists, inventive warrior's and fierce soldiers so it is no surprise then for us to find that among the African people's there have been great city's, ancient empires some of which may have been ignored or even overlooked - perhaps because if they existed they would be inconvenient to many theory's about the past of the human race.
The problem is that in tropical country's mud brick washes away, straw hut's vanish from the landscape and nature reclaims the places mankind has once been.
Take at look at how until fairly recently the natives of south America were stereotyped, then look at how vast the recently discovered mega city of the maya was, a city that could and did hold millions of people and was far larger than ancient Rome but of which we knew nothing as it was buried beneath the jungle and actually believed that the few surviving suburbs of that city were actually completely independent Mayan city's when in fact they had once been mere neighbourhood's of the vast metropolis, a city larger even than most in Asia until modern time's.
Though not Africa it demonstrates the knowledge filter that we have in place, one written by people convinced of there own superiority and with national pride in there nations at the time when they laid down these beliefs as unwritten rules that now need to be broken through like the ice on top of a frozen lake to get at the real truth of the past beneath them.
It is even possible that the Ancient south American civilizations were in contact and traded with the then cultured and civilized African Coastal civilizations.
3000 year old Egyptian mummy's have been found with Tobacco and Cocaine traces in them.
originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
Seems like African nations always ran into the problem that they got too much wealth, without having a big enough army to go with it.
Either that, or they got a big army, but didn't generate any wealth, like the Zulus.
I'd wanted to suggest that the question of who created Great Zimbabwe could be settled by DNA studies. We might assume whoever built the city stuck around and had kids, and the current residents would carry some of their DNA.
I wanted to, but I suspect the reason the civilization came to an end is that its neighbors got jealous. A Zulu-like nation probably wiped them out.
Africa's greatest strength is its variety. And its biggest handicap is..... its variety.
originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: bloodymarvelous
Some good point's, finding were ever the burial grounds of the city are would be a far better bet for DNA testing if any intact bone's could be found and if then any intact genetic material could still be extracted which given the warm climate is not an easy objective, then that could of course be cross referenced with the current population to see if they are related too and by what percentage the population of the time of those burial's.
And as for variety, there is more human genetic variation in Africa than the rest of the world's population combined, the rest of us are most closely related to the east African people's such as the Ethiopian's and Somali's which the out of Africa believers use to suggest they are a seed race or a branch of the seed race from which the out of Africa Cro-Magnons originated whom them went on to colonise the rest of the world, of course there are theory's of several waves of African migration into the rest of the world and alternative but currently not in fashion theory's that postulate other origin locations but while I am personally a creationist the orthodox scientific view is that we are all really Africans whom have simply adapted to and mixed with other family's of man whom were here before us such as Neanderthal and of course there are also theory's of into Africa migrations but one thing remains clear Africans have the most diverse genetics of all humans alive today meaning in fact that they are several distinct racial groups.
here is an interesting video about lost races of man.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: 3n19m470
Whatdoes the precession of the equinoxes do to subsaharan Africa? It could be as simple as asking mazlow why they didnt build more megacities.
Or maybe africas been underexplored. Or explored but findings stifles