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Why I Hate You and You Are A Stupid Racist

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:12 AM
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a reply to: darkbake


I'm criticizing Trump's rhetoric and the potential for him to put harmful policies in place.
emphases mine

So what you think he says and might do rather than what he actually has done?

Um...

Ok then.




posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

If you really want to pick teeth, it could be considered harassment based on national origin and not racism, although this is still illegal, and Trump would have been in legal jeopardy if he was the head of a corporation or in the workplace.


Eric Bachman, a former Department of Justice Civil Rights Division prosecutor who specializes in anti-discrimination cases, told ABC News that the president's tweets would be "as close to a slam-dunk discriminatory claim as you can get" if he had uttered them as the head of a private company rather than as chief executive of the United States.

"Frankly, if there was a board of directors, they would be taking action to fire him if he were the president of a company," Bachman said. "This would almost certainty violate Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act and a host of other civil rights-related laws."

"Just his statements alone, would be really strong evidence of a hostile work environment that he treats employees who are not white differently than he would treat white employees," Bachman added.


US government routinely sues companies for language that mirrors Trump's racist 'go back' tweets

I entirely believe that if Trump was arguing with white people born in the U.S. but of European ancestry, he would not even think of telling them to go back to their home countries. Three of the congresswomen in question were born in the U.S. and other than the color of their skin, they are exactly the same as other white people in Congress, such as Nancy Pelosi, and even Trump himself, whom I believe is of Irish and German ancestry. Would Trump tell Nancy Pelosi to go back to her home country of Italy when he didn't like her policies? Why didn't Trump go back to Germany, when he was so concerned about the Obama Presidency?




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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:24 AM
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a reply to: jadedANDcynical

I don't think it is too far of a leap to assume that Trump will try to enact policies that are in line with his rhetoric, that's usually how things happen. It is also why it is good to criticize his rhetoric before it moves on to policies.



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:33 AM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: chr0naut

If you stop cherry picking the quote then no its not...

The actual quote


Still racist, just a little bit more convoluted.




posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So a white New Zealander tells you “go back where you came from” and your IQ tells you “that’s racist”?

How quaint



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy



Dude, I'm not a republican! Get the partisan blinders off!


All right, so I take it that you, in particular, don't agree with the sentiment that people who disagree with Trump are anti-American. This is a good start.


I'd say that that anyone who doesn't adhere to the Constitution and Bill of Rights is anti-American.


What particular examples do you have from the four congresswomen in question that show that they don't adhere to the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Bonus points if you point out which part of the Constitution and Bill of Rights you are referring to.


Huh?


I'm just saying don't expect to be able to force conservative views on the whole nation, that's not what our nation is made of in entirety. It is unrealistic to assume that everyone will have a conservative view and agree with Trump, and I think that it is incredibly unrealistic to think that you can force it to be that way. The conservative viewpoint is dying off, analysis shows that it will continue to get weaker as the decades go on, although it might maintain power through gerrymandering and the like.


Proof or you are a liar. Prove it.



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


-The First Amendment, although it looks like the President can do whatever he wants? Not sure.


What policies has he put into place?


Not policies, but rhetoric. Telling people who don't agree with him to go home (as President of the United States, no less) threatens their right to free speech under the First Amendment. If he pursued action to deport Omar for political reasons, this would violate her First Amendment rights.

He has threatened to close news agencies when he doesn't agree with their reporting, which is also a First Amendment issue.

Neither of these have gone farther than rhetoric, so you are right, he only talks about violating the Constitution, but so far, he has been kept from outright violating it.

Unless you count violating the Emoluments Clause because Trump's businesses are taking payments from foreign governments.


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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986


When someone tries to win an argument by saying "send them back," their argument loses a lot of legitimacy in my eyes. It is taking advantage of their race or country of nationality to avoid any kind of meaningful interaction, it is a cop-out that makes Trump seem like he has nothing legitimate to say against their policies. I


Do you see the irony in your post?

Replace "send them back" with "racist nazi" and get back with me.

Do you not think the left is exploiting and taking advantage of people that are white in order to avoid constructive dialogue and compromise?




Trump seem like he has nothing legitimate to say against their policies.


You lost me there. I think Trump has made plenty of legitimate and valid statements against the lefts policies or are you just not listening because orange man bad?



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Still ignorant and a little childish



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: DBCowboy

Go back home to your country, we don't want you here.

Nah, not racist not even a bit.


If a New Zealander said that to you, does that make them racist???


Probably, yes. Most New Zealanders think I am British because I don't have a strong Australian accent. And I also have many Maori, Islander and Asian friends (and relatives) which, considering the blending of races these days, I would assume that they don't know I am an Australian born person whose family originated in France (and England).


No. It does not.

Nationality does NOT denote ‘race’ (well, in the mind of the low-iq it does)


Not always.

But in reference to these four particular women, who are all American citizens and therefore America IS their country, all that is left is to assume that Trump must be referring to them on ethnic grounds, i.e: racial stereotyping.

He's racist.



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:50 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: DBCowboy

Go back home to your country, we don't want you here.

Nah, not racist not even a bit.


If a New Zealander said that to you, does that make them racist???


Probably, yes. Most New Zealanders think I am British because I don't have a strong Australian accent. And I also have many Maori, Islander and Asian friends (and relatives) which, considering the blending of races these days, I would assume that they don't know I am an Australian born person whose family originated in France (and England).


No. It does not.

Nationality does NOT denote ‘race’ (well, in the mind of the low-iq it does)


Not always.

But in reference to these four particular women, who are all American citizens and therefore America IS their country, all that is left is to assume that Trump must be referring to them on ethnic grounds, i.e: racial stereotyping.

He's racist.

Oh no, well I guess I better vote democrat
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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

So a white New Zealander tells you “go back where you came from” and your IQ tells you “that’s racist”?

How quaint


Trump's quote was clearly not about me, so reference to me as some sort of excuse in this situation, is pretty weak.




posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: chr0naut

Still ignorant and a little childish



Many things Trump says are.


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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:54 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

So a white New Zealander tells you “go back where you came from” and your IQ tells you “that’s racist”?

How quaint


Trump's quote was clearly not about me, so reference to me as some sort of excuse in this situation, is pretty weak.



“Pretty weak”

You said it



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: mtnshredder

I think that it is entirely justified to have a national conversation about Trump's racist comments, and I think that Republicans should also be standing up to him. Some of them did when people at his recent rally started chanting "Send her back." So now Trump knows where his allies draw a line, at least.

If I dislike Trump's policies, I am definitely willing to engage in a conversation about them, I enjoy learning the other viewpoint, and working on some sort of compromise. If I talk about Trump being racist, it is a separate issue that I am wanting to discuss and has nothing to do with trying to avoid talking about policies.

Trump, on the other hand, likes to spice up his debates with colorful insults and in this case, racist rhetoric, as a way to gain support from his followers without having to actually discuss the issues at hand.

I do believe that Democrats should be willing to discuss policies with Trump even if he is racist, but I think that most of them see this as a deal-breaker and won't negotiate with him. I do think that there should be more policy discussions. I read a lot of articles from both conservatives and liberals about policy, but I am not able to find many instances where people from both sides converse.

At any rate, I am open to reading some of Trump's discussions that I may have missed that outline his problems with the policies of the four congresswomen in question. You can link them, if you like. Most of the time, I've heard Republicans call them "socialists" with little understanding of the meaning of the word, talking very little about the actual mechanics of their policies and how they could affect our nation negatively.

Our nation already has some socialist policies, like the Public School System, police force, roads and highways, public prisons, and public hospitals, for example. We haven't died from those. Claiming that "socialist" policies will make us like Venezuela or something of that nature is emotional thinking that doesn't look at the situation in enough detail to be legitimate.

You are making me want to discuss policies more now, actually. It is true that a lot of discussions at this moment in time are about racism, which I still think are important discussions to have. Also, lots of discussion about Trump's corrupt practices, which get in the way of talking policy.
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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: DBCowboy

Go back home to your country, we don't want you here.

Nah, not racist not even a bit.


If a New Zealander said that to you, does that make them racist???


Probably, yes. Most New Zealanders think I am British because I don't have a strong Australian accent. And I also have many Maori, Islander and Asian friends (and relatives) which, considering the blending of races these days, I would assume that they don't know I am an Australian born person whose family originated in France (and England).


No. It does not.

Nationality does NOT denote ‘race’ (well, in the mind of the low-iq it does)


Not always.

But in reference to these four particular women, who are all American citizens and therefore America IS their country, all that is left is to assume that Trump must be referring to them on ethnic grounds, i.e: racial stereotyping.

He's racist.

Oh no, well I guess I better vote democrat


I wasn't trying to get you to vote for anyone. There is incredible diversity out there. You have a right to explore and to find out who you would really like to vote for.

The American system that gave you the option of only two sub-par candidates, and where your voice is obscured in the myriad party controlled hubbub, is not any sort of political freedom.



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:06 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak
a reply to: chr0naut

So a white New Zealander tells you “go back where you came from” and your IQ tells you “that’s racist”?

How quaint


Trump's quote was clearly not about me, so reference to me as some sort of excuse in this situation, is pretty weak.



“Pretty weak”

You said it


And whiny, too, he's very whiny. Perhaps it's the New York inflection?



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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:10 AM
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Again. You said it.

Weak, whiny.

No wonder his opposition are such a tiny minority. And shrinking by the day.

But this latest “he’s racist”, WOW that’s really cost him a lot of support.

(Ha ha haaaa)



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:10 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: DBCowboy

Go back home to your country, we don't want you here.

Nah, not racist not even a bit.


If a New Zealander said that to you, does that make them racist???


Probably, yes. Most New Zealanders think I am British because I don't have a strong Australian accent. And I also have many Maori, Islander and Asian friends (and relatives) which, considering the blending of races these days, I would assume that they don't know I am an Australian born person whose family originated in France (and England).


No. It does not.

Nationality does NOT denote ‘race’ (well, in the mind of the low-iq it does)


Not always.

But in reference to these four particular women, who are all American citizens and therefore America IS their country, all that is left is to assume that Trump must be referring to them on ethnic grounds, i.e: racial stereotyping.

He's racist.

Oh no, well I guess I better vote democrat


I wasn't trying to get you to vote for anyone. There is incredible diversity out there. You have a right to explore and to find out who you would really like to vote for.

The American system that gave you the option of only two sub-par candidates, and where your voice is obscured in the myriad party controlled hubbub, is not any sort of political freedom.


Correct

And the MAJORITY of people still support Trump

Funny that



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: darkbake

Trump’s comments are not racist because he intended them to be, but because you forced them to be. There are absolutely zero racial slurs, nor did race appear at all in any clause of any sentence.

The media and their base could only refer to their own racist thoughts upon hearing his words, then justified it by pointing out the target’s skin color, and the old racist tropes that appeared once they butchered most of the words and context of his actual quotes, which very few of you quote in full.

What they did not consider was Trumps explanations and clarifications, which quickly dispelled the myth he was being racist.

That’s why it’s reasonable to conclude that it is not through accuracy, evidence and objectivity you are repeating this propaganda, but through bad faith and lack of evidence.



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 01:16 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: DBCowboy

Go back home to your country, we don't want you here.

Nah, not racist not even a bit.


If a New Zealander said that to you, does that make them racist???


Probably, yes. Most New Zealanders think I am British because I don't have a strong Australian accent. And I also have many Maori, Islander and Asian friends (and relatives) which, considering the blending of races these days, I would assume that they don't know I am an Australian born person whose family originated in France (and England).


No. It does not.

Nationality does NOT denote ‘race’ (well, in the mind of the low-iq it does)


Not always.

But in reference to these four particular women, who are all American citizens and therefore America IS their country, all that is left is to assume that Trump must be referring to them on ethnic grounds, i.e: racial stereotyping.

He's racist.

Oh no, well I guess I better vote democrat


I wasn't trying to get you to vote for anyone. There is incredible diversity out there. You have a right to explore and to find out who you would really like to vote for.

The American system that gave you the option of only two sub-par candidates, and where your voice is obscured in the myriad party controlled hubbub, is not any sort of political freedom.


Correct

And the MAJORITY of people still support Trump

Funny that


The majority of Trump supporters support Trump.

Not so sure about the majority of people. Even when he was elected he didn't have the absolute majority of actual voters.

It all had to do with the Electoral College, where, apparently, no-one goes to school or learns anything?





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