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Is spirituality possible without religion?

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posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

You did it again!!

I know what I meant and I know you misinterpreted what I wrote.

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posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Krakatoa

You did it again!!

I know what I meant and I know you misinterpreted what I wrote.


Then tell me, in plain English and not word salad, exactly what you meant.



posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes, everything is up to personal interpretation, even this;


originally posted by: Krakatoa


So, you advocate for keeping people stupid and uninformed about the world.

Got it...

What a waste of human thought IMO.


And again you are ridiculing.



posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes, everything is up to personal interpretation, even this;


originally posted by: Krakatoa


So, you advocate for keeping people stupid and uninformed about the world.

Got it...

What a waste of human thought IMO.


And again you are ridiculing.


No, just interpreting the statement:



...prior to learning concepts there is timeless being.
There still is only timeless being but it is overlooked because there is a belief in concepts.


Meaning that learning concepts will remove one's ability to have belief in a timeless being (i.e. it is overlooked). So, being educated willl prevent you from having a true belief or understanding of that being.

Ergo, stay stupid, do not learn concepts or it will interfere with your ability to believe in a timeless being.

That is what that statement says.



posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa
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That is what that statement says.


Not really.
Why not ask what others think?



posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Krakatoa
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That is what that statement says.


Not really.
Why not ask what others think?


I was answering a single person who, coincidentally was not you. So, why don;t you add some sort of constructive comment if you feel so strongly about the discussion?



posted on Jul, 23 2019 @ 09:07 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Krakatoa
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That is what that statement says.


Not really.
Why not ask what others think?


I was answering a single person who, coincidentally was not you. So, why don;t you add some sort of constructive comment if you feel so strongly about the discussion?


Well: maybe wasn't invited before, but now you have invited me!
Thanks! (Heech-heech-heech!)

In your interpretation: there is the concept of ..."...a timeless being..."...
But ItIsNowAgain is mentioning ..."... timeless being..."... , not ..."... a timeless being..."...
Can you see the difference?

It's not about having the trusting innocence of child, so as to be manipulable.
It's about unlearning all of the concepts and stories that we now find ourselves clinging-to.
And so returning to the time, before we took-on all of this mental baggage, that end-up being walls that enclose, and limit.

Does that help?



posted on Jul, 24 2019 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

Why be educated about reality by someone else when reality is all you ever lived?

Why be educated about time by someone else when all you ever had was time?

I don't have time for confusion.



posted on Jul, 24 2019 @ 03:04 AM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Krakatoa

Why be educated about reality by someone else when reality is all you ever lived?

Why be educated about time by someone else when all you ever had was time?

I don't have time for confusion.

The point is; no one ever did anything.
Everything is simply just happening as it is.
No one will ever believe this message of freedom!!!
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posted on Jul, 24 2019 @ 03:23 AM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance

No one lives reality (that would make two, 'someone' plus 'reality').
Reality IS (one without a second).

When the two become one the kingdom shall be revealed.

There never was two.
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posted on Jul, 24 2019 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: Krakatoa

What is actual is missed because there is a belief in concepts.
Little children don't believe in concepts yet.

Concepts arise within the non conceptual.

The truth is hiding in plain sight!
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posted on Aug, 2 2019 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Creep Thumper


My eyes instantly glaze over when someone quotes a "holy book".


Being "Holy" isn't for everyone.


When it comes to Homo sapiens, none of them are holy.

And your divine "God" is a murdering, sadistic, psychopath. Read the book again, objectively, if you can.


That's some strong offensive words Creep_Thumper, hope *our* God would take into consideration your lack of knowledge about Him and His traits. As a person who's seen the kind (and angry) God, I'd say you could have very well said that He punishes strongly his guilty children for their own good and also they learn about His Holiness too.
So there's a very important difference about "murdering, sadistic,..." and punishing, call it "rough love" of the Creator for his children, if you will.
And let's remember one thing, God is Holy regardless of our knowledge and consideration for Him, the point is not to learn it the hard terrible way.


He's a spiteful SOB who does not deserve a whit of attention or adoration.


Please Creep_Thumper, apologize to the Almighty for the words above, because He won't take them lightly. "Been there, done that". Those times I ran my mouth against Him, I paid dearly and it's not over yet.

Please look for His wonderful, kind, forgiving side rather than His angry terrible one, and He will be there for you. I've witnessed both of His sides first hand myself and been shaken to the core.

God bless you!

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posted on Aug, 2 2019 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: miri2019

JHC, I bet you read Fantasy. Oh, wait, that's the province of the devil.



posted on Aug, 2 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: Creep Thumper

It was you claiming God is a spiteful SOB.



posted on Aug, 2 2019 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Creep Thumper

It was you claiming God is a spiteful SOB.


Again, have you read the book. God is an absolute prick.



posted on Aug, 2 2019 @ 09:16 PM
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originally posted by: Creep Thumper
a reply to: miri2019

JHC, I bet you read Fantasy. Oh, wait, that's the province of the devil.


I don't know what the book Fantasy is or what province it belongs to. At least I know that certain knowledge takes its own time to be known. Be well.



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: Creep Thumper

Why do you reflect your relation with God on a book?



posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 03:25 AM
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a reply to: miri2019

God is holy...... God is the whole.
The way the truth and the life.

There is no thing separate.

Holy means.... whole, uninjured, sound, healthy, entire, complete.




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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 03:41 AM
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originally posted by: TheTruthRocks
The answer to the question depends on a person's definition of religion.
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Exactly (and "spirituality" for that matter), so let's look at a possible definition and see if there's anything in it that some people may not see or overlook as a religion (such as the OP):

Religion: Reasoning From the Scriptures

Definition: A form of worship. It includes a system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices; these may be personal, or they may be advocated by an organization. Usually religion involves belief in God or in a number of gods; or it treats humans, objects, desires, or forces as objects of worship. Much religion is based on human study of nature; there is also revealed religion. There is true religion and false.

As you can see, in this definition, religion can be entirely personal. It does not have to come from one of the major organizations that advocate a particular religion. You might notice some people in this thread using the word religion as if it only applies to those religions advocated by organizations, i.e. the organized religions as they are sometimes also called.

If you treat humans like Trump, or perhaps a better example would be some amazing sports athlete, like Messi, or a famous artist like Beyoncé, as an object of worship, you have a religion (or you are engaging in a religion of sorts). So how does that work? The following regarding the word "god" is useful to keep in mind when it comes to determining whether or not something counts as "worship" (treating something as an object of worship):

Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. (Ro 16:18; Php 3:18, 19)

Source: God: Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1

In the same reference work (Volume 2) "worship" is described as: "The rendering of reverent honor or homage." One can do the same with any object, like a nation, a flag (and what it stands for), a particular sports-team, a cross or some other symbol. Let's move on to spirituality.

Reaching for the Unknown

8. What unique quality sets humans apart from lower creatures?

8 Contrary to what evolutionists may claim, a human possesses a spiritual dimension that makes him different from and superior to the lower creatures. He is born with the urge to search out the unknown. He is ever struggling with questions such as: What is the meaning of life? What happens after one dies? What is man’s relationship to the material world and, in fact, to the universe? He is also driven by the desire to reach out to something higher or more powerful than himself in order to gain some control over his environment and his life.​—Psalm 8:3, 4; Ecclesiastes 3:11; Acts 17:26-28.

9. How does one scholar describe “spirituality”?

9 Ivar Lissner in his book Man, God and Magic put it this way: “One can only marvel at the perseverance with which man has striven, throughout his history, to reach outside himself. His energies were never directed solely toward the necessities of life. He was forever questing, groping his way further, aspiring to the unattainable. This strange and inherent urge in the human being is his spirituality.”

Source: Searching for the Unknown Through Magic and Spiritism: Mankind’s Search for God

So it does seem to me that you can have this form of spirituality without actually worshipping anything. But in practice, it's quite rare because people still tend to render reverent honor or homage to many things even when thinking of themselves as not belonging to any religion but having a certain amount of spirituality instead. For them the main difference is in it being either personal or advocated by a particular organization (whether they call it being religious or being spiritual/having spirituality). But that is not the intended meaning for those concepts as I've tried to show in this comment.
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posted on Aug, 3 2019 @ 04:01 AM
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a reply to: whereislogic

How can the unattainable be attained?
How can man reach outside of himself?

What actually is is unattainable.... because it already is!!

And if no thing is separate then just maybe.... there is nothing outside.
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