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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
You know, you'd think spirituality has something to do with a spirit and wisdom not from earth gained from (a) spirit(s).
I see no spirit anywhere while some say they they are invisible.
What if people in contact with spirit(s) wrote what these entit(y)(ies) had to say and ended up with a religion that way?
How delusional must one be not to believe in the existence of spirits?
Humans gain knowledge of the earth, like science and agriculture. Is there really nothing more to this existence than eating and driving your car or making smartphones in a factory?
How would you know people own a spirit?
If spirits existed they must have been here since the beginning. Is it possible they created man?
Or are spirits just stories people made up to scare their children?
Is religion from spirits or is Trump president of the USA?
originally posted by: glend
Religions are a signpost to spirituality that eventually comes to a dead end. At a certain stage we need turn our backs to all the dogma so we can immerse our essence into spirituality.
Jesus said: "Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."
3 "Except ye be converted, AND become as little children"
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
The "And " tells us that there are two conditions. One is not the other.
18:1 In that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who then is greatest in the kingdom of the heavens? 2 And calling a little child to him, he placed it in the midst of them, 3 and said: Verily I say to you, unless you turn and become as little children, you shall in no way enter into the kingdom of the heavens. 4 Whoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, he is greatest in the kingdom of the heavens. 5 And whoever shall receive one such little child in my name, receives me. 6 But whoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that an upper millstone were hung about his neck and he were drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Alas for the world because of offenses; for it is necessary that offenses come, yet alas for the man through whom the offense comes.
Sorry thought you were arguing the "humble" bit. "Converted" in the text without any interpretation as to what it really means sounded a bit iffy. So I looked it up in the oldest bible. Its seems "converted" was something added after the fourth century.
It was also added to Matthew 13:15, Luke 22:32, John 12:40 after the fourth century.
Even if the word "converted" was added, it doesn't change the meaning from the original "turn" that you show once you put it into context with the rest of the verses
I am suggesting that religious dogma can result in belief of Jesus. But once belief has been attained then religious dogma can be a roadblock to ones spirituality.
How can one totally submit to the Fathers will, if they still under the preconceptions of their own will.
originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Creep Thumper
My eyes instantly glaze over when someone quotes a "holy book".
Being "Holy" isn't for everyone.