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What Medium is Propagating Electromagnetic Waves?

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posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: AntonGonist

Then how do they travel through the vacuum of space.




posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: AntonGonist

Then how do they travel through the vacuum of space.



Are you foreal? By propagating through a medium.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: AntonGonist

I guess I should clarify. Then how do electromagnetic waves travel at a constant speed through the vacuum of space.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

From NASA,


A changing magnetic field will induce a changing electric field and vice-versa—the two are linked. These changing fields form electromagnetic waves.




Electromagnetic waves differ from mechanical waves in that they do not require a medium to propagate.



And these fields are not a medium but they simply form a wave, which is a disturbance of a medium.........



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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Richard P. Feynman suggested that the entire universe was simply one single electron moving back and forth in time, which is another way of describing your "sea of electrons."

It's an interesting way to visualize the whole process, IMO.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:26 PM
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What medium is present in the vacuum of space if electromagnetic radiation is not self propagating?

Just change out waves with radiation if it makes you happier. Now no more being hung up on “wave”.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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What medium is present in the vacuum of space if electromagnetic radiation is not self propagating?


According to science and other posters here, spacetime.......who said EM radiation, which is waves, is self propagating?



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: AntonGonist
a reply to: neutronflux




What medium is present in the vacuum of space if electromagnetic radiation is not self propagating?


According to science and other posters here, spacetime.......who said EM radiation, which is waves, is self propagating?


You tell me if you don’t think electromagnetic waves are self propagating radiation. I didn’t know space time was a motive force that propelled items at the speed of light?



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 12:46 PM
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Seriously, have you read this thread and my comments? It doesnt seem like you have.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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And you could say everything “propagates” through space time. I don’t think this thread would exist without space time. So in a sense everything needs space time. Is that false.

As far as having to run a wire as a medium to transmit data from the moon to earth, using electromagnetic radiation gets you around that limitation. Is that false. Thus, practicality and functionally electromagnetic radiation is self propagating. If you want to argue some fundamental “structure” all mater and energy needs to exist upon, that’s up to you.

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posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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In physics, mathematics, and related fields, a wave is a disturbance of a field


You,




An electromagnetic waves is propagated by the oscillations of the electric and magnetic fields.


Also you,




This, practicality and functionally electromagnetic radiation is self propagating.



Why do you keep making the false claim that EM waves are not the disturbance of a field which is a medium. You keep contradicting your own sources.
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posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:13 PM
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And you could say everything “propagates” through space time. I don’t think this thread would exist without space time. So in a sense everything needs space time. Is that false.


Replace "spacetime", which is a mathematical concept of space and time, and replace it with "Aether like medium"



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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What does any of that have to do with:

As far as having to run a wire as a medium to transmit data from the moon to earth, using electromagnetic radiation gets you around that limitation. Is that false. Thus, practicality and functionally electromagnetic radiation is self propagating. If you want to argue some fundamental “structure” all mater and energy needs to exist upon, that’s up to you.

Seems like you are arguing more about a ”fabric of reality” that all mater and energy needs to exist.

That doesn’t dispel the fact if you want to transmit data from earth to mars you don’t need a medium like a network cable if you use electromagnetic radiation. Electromagnetic radiation in fact will propagate through the absence of matter and energy through the vacuum of space. Is that false.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:29 PM
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What does any of that have to do with:


Yes what does almost everything you post have to do with the points I made in this thread.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:35 PM
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Electromagnetic radiation in fact will propagate through the absence of matter and energy through the vacuum of space. Is that false.


Yes that is false. Even according to your own science and sources you posted yourself, there are fields that are disturbed and propagate EM waves. It is getting clear that you have a huge problem with reading comprehension or comprehension in general. Yikes.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:50 PM
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This is the cited source




ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES

www.physics.usyd.edu.au...

· Transverse wave.
· An electromagnetic waves is propagated by the oscillations of the electric and magnetic fields. A changing electric field produces a changing magnetic field and a changing magnetic field produces a changing electric field. Thus, an electromagnetic wave is self propagating and does not need a medium to travel through.

A progressive electromagnetic wave is a self-supporting, energy-carrying disturbance that travels free of its source.



Cited source “Thus, an electromagnetic wave is self propagating and does not need a medium to travel through. A progressive electromagnetic wave is a self-supporting, energy-carrying disturbance that travels free of its source. ”

Vs you
“there are fields that are disturbed and propagate EM waves.”



As a given electromagnetic wave propagates through the vacuum of space, what independent “thing” is acting upon that given electromagnetic wave to propagate that wave through the vacuum space, and that “thing” would be there if the given electromagnetic wave was absent?



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 01:56 PM
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Here are a couple links that each describe a relevant peer-reviewed research paper:

Absolute Theory

The Aether

When you bring up an aether, you should also look into space and time theory. The first link concerns issues regarding various space and time theories.

The second link concerns work done on an aether model about 25 years ago. It included a proposal of negative mass, which I never liked, in order to get everything to work out. In physics, we must be open to new possibilities, and since it worked out I went with it. For the past two years I've been working on advancing aether theory and it no longer needs negative mass. The goal is to have a simple physical model that leads to rigorous derivation of both Maxwell's Equations (done in the second link) as well as the Lorentz Force Equation (which evaded solution 25 years ago). The theory is close now, but until it gets fully written up it can always fall apart. There are a lot of things that must all be consistent with each other. If I ever do get it done, I will submit for peer review and let everyone here know. I remain optimistic, but this has been pretty difficult.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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For me.

The medium is dark energy. Or. Intrinsic (to the universe) energy.

It is made up from neg and pos charges. They seem to have a value of zero.

I have a model. Although. Not sure you will understand it. It also has DM candidates now.

My model is on this page here

DM candidate in reply to this thread

I need to rewrite my model to try to make it more understandable. Which i am working on.



posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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What do you mean by propogating through a medium?
Don't you mean traveling?



Are you foreal? By propagating through a medium.

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posted on Jul, 17 2019 @ 03:15 PM
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Your source


An electromagnetic waves is propagated by the oscillations of the electric and magnetic fields.


What part of "propagated by oscillations of electric and magnetic fields" do you not understand?



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