Fmr WH & Pentagon Off: Blackout IS Coming! EMP will wipeout 90% US pop in 6mo

To everyone speaking about trucking - I thought EMPs disrupted electronic ignition systems as well as the power grid.

There's a heavy trucking support industry where I live - all these big rigs are full of electronics now a days.

I am not too sure about most giant tractor rigs (John Deere fans in TX), but the ones around here have GPS programs to direct the vehicle,even got programs to make cornfield maze.

SO, please correct me if wrong - but my thinking is that only older vehicles and simple IC engines (like on a manual generator) would remain operational and that's about it.

Could one protect electronics from an EMP device/event with a Faraday Cage? Or lead shielding?

BTW, I concur 90% fatalities is realistic, given vast differences among city/urban population totals and elsewhere throughout the country. Montana & Wyoming might be pretty safe unless Yellowstone blows then (doomporn).

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The Amish and others that live off the grid will go on like nothing has happened. Most other people are far too reliant on electronics and electricity to live without the system that has become the norm. I believe that we will rebound from a massive power outage, but it will take years not months. In that amount of time a lot of dross will have hit the fan, so a 90% mortality rate isn't out of the realm of possibility during a long period without the infrastructure we have become so entirely dependent upon.

The big problem as I see it is we have created an on demand system of mass production that is so huge that it takes everything we have to keep operational during the best conditions. It's far too large to fix if the whole system fails and it has serious weaknesses due to lack of fail safe redundancies and on hand resources to make speedy repairs.

Because the whole system is designed with a for profit motive by corporate interests, there will never be the resources needed to see us through a massive power outage because such a contingency plan would reduce profit margins based on a game ending scenario that will collapse the entire system. Big businesses gamble that things will continue as they have without too much damage to the revenue flow and profit margins. Once such a massive failure occurs, the current business model will no long function and will be abandoned. During such a dire scenario, profit will only come from taking what you want by force because the whole system will be non-functional.

The power was taken out by a tree branch weakened by the Geico squirrels (the ones that cause station wagons to crash).
They will high 5 each other while 90% of all Americans die.

a reply to: letni

What does he mean its 'coming'?

God told him

originally posted by: gallop
a reply to: Strate8

Nah, people would go mental, dickheads would start to steal and rob each other acting out their LARP fantasies, and the blokes you're thinking of would shoot them all as soon as they so much as had a gander at their can of beans.

This is 2019 mate.. We are in wonky world...

In other words we would be better off after all was said and done.

I logged in for the first time in forever to reply. No, nowhere near 90 percent would die. I, as well as most parents nowadays, am a member of Gen X. We grew up without cell phones and most without computers. Our grandparents quilted, sewed their own clothes, and grew and canned their own food. We have used paper maps, typed on a mechanical typewriter, and amused ourselves by whittling sticks and playing outdoors. I personally can handle time without electricity.

originally posted by: fomalhaut
I logged in for the first time in forever to reply. No, nowhere near 90 percent would die. I, as well as most parents nowadays, am a member of Gen X. We grew up without cell phones and most without computers. Our grandparents quilted, sewed their own clothes, and grew and canned their own food. We have used paper maps, typed on a mechanical typewriter, and amused ourselves by whittling sticks and playing outdoors. I personally can handle time without electricity.

It isn't about you personally, but that society would collapse around you.

People really have no idea how dependent our basic infrastructure is on electricity. Entire supply chains would be disrupted. No food delivered. No supplies. No heat. No air conditioning. Getting fresh water would become a problem. Sick and elderly would start dying within a week.... think diabetics who can't get insulin that needs to be refrigerated. Running water would stop. Disease from litter, trash, and the corpses. It would soon devolve into lawlessness.

Sure, one town without electricity would be ok. However, if the entire grid goes down at a national level, it is a different ball game.

Seriously, go read One Second After. It is fiction, but goes into minute details how society collapses even from the perspective of a small town with cooperative citizens, much less the chaos that would occur in a large urban area.

In most large natural disasters, people actually gladly help each other and things don't instantly degenerate into chaos. Local agencies rise to the challenge and work hard to get things back up and running again.

And an EMP burst? Because of better shielding and circuit breaker tech, it would not be nearly as devastating as some people seem to believe.

Nehhhh.

Q Said the power grid is safe.

I believe Mr. ghost man over this man.

originally posted by: fomalhaut
I logged in for the first time in forever to reply. No, nowhere near 90 percent would die. I, as well as most parents nowadays, am a member of Gen X. We grew up without cell phones and most without computers. Our grandparents quilted, sewed their own clothes, and grew and canned their own food. We have used paper maps, typed on a mechanical typewriter, and amused ourselves by whittling sticks and playing outdoors. I personally can handle time without electricity.

Gen-Xers are old coots already...many are dependant on medicines and all kinds of things...they will be swept aside and walked upon by the youthful vigor and violence of those around them...their things will be taken and they will be subjugated completely....I am an X-er and I will say this much...I can/preserve food and I garden and I have harvested my own greens and medicinal plants and fungi as well as meat domestic and wild I have learned to live off the grid since childhood...but most of my contemporaries are softer than warm butter...and nearly all of the who grew up in Towns or Cities are Kraft Dinner Kids ...the masses of Gen-Xers are no more prepared than those after them in fact the young kids who have spent the last 10-15 years watching things like Survivor Man or Fear Factor or Alone or any of these MANY SHOWS is absolutely grass roots more prepared than any generation before them....I have kept tabs on these shows and a massive evolution has occurred.....lots of pansies are reaching down deep personally to show us all what we are really capable or...some of these seeming flakes turn into WAR MACHINES when it gets gritty and they have to gut it out...

Old Turkeys like Gen=Xers might survive if they immediately establish themselves in Leadership positions where they will do best....no doctors no hospitals no medicines no insulin no antibiotics no clean water or clothes....no heat....no transportation...no police protection....no guns in lots of places...ideas and knowledge are great but if there is no one who can go out and turn them into reality they are useless.

In my opinion Gen-Xers offer us the single greatest HOPE because of all of the things you listed as those skills and knowledge are critical to the future not so much to the Gen-Xers whose job really is to pass the torch then take one for the team....just making sure they pass on knowledge before they croak....teach teach teach if you survive....IMHO THATS THE gEN-xERS JOB IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON A GLOBAL SCALE.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: fomalhaut
I logged in for the first time in forever to reply. No, nowhere near 90 percent would die. I, as well as most parents nowadays, am a member of Gen X. We grew up without cell phones and most without computers. Our grandparents quilted, sewed their own clothes, and grew and canned their own food. We have used paper maps, typed on a mechanical typewriter, and amused ourselves by whittling sticks and playing outdoors. I personally can handle time without electricity.

Gen-Xers are old coots already...many are dependant on medicines and all kinds of things...they will be swept aside and walked upon by the youthful vigor and violence of those around them...their things will be taken and they will be subjugated completely....I am an X-er and I will say this much...I can/preserve food and I garden and I have harvested my own greens and medicinal plants and fungi as well as meat domestic and wild I have learned to live off the grid since childhood...but most of my contemporaries are softer than warm butter...and nearly all of the who grew up in Towns or Cities are Kraft Dinner Kids ...the masses of Gen-Xers are no more prepared than those after them in fact the young kids who have spent the last 10-15 years watching things like Survivor Man or Fear Factor or Alone or any of these MANY SHOWS is absolutely grass roots more prepared than any generation before them....I have kept tabs on these shows and a massive evolution has occurred.....lots of pansies are reaching down deep personally to show us all what we are really capable or...some of these seeming flakes turn into WAR MACHINES when it gets gritty and they have to gut it out...

Old Turkeys like Gen=Xers might survive if they immediately establish themselves in Leadership positions where they will do best....no doctors no hospitals no medicines no insulin no antibiotics no clean water or clothes....no heat....no transportation...no police protection....no guns in lots of places...ideas and knowledge are great but if there is no one who can go out and turn them into reality they are useless.

In my opinion Gen-Xers offer us the single greatest HOPE because of all of the things you listed as those skills and knowledge are critical to the future not so much to the Gen-Xers whose job really is to pass the torch then take one for the team....just making sure they pass on knowledge before they croak....teach teach teach if you survive....IMHO THATS THE gEN-xERS JOB IN THE NEAR FUTURE ON A GLOBAL SCALE.

I think you discount the fact that many of us were raised to be polite and help others in need. At least I was.
I started on that slippery slope where I kept eating the same amount even as I got older and became overweight and was on BP meds for a short time. I mentally gave myself a kick in the ass and dropped 44 lbs over the span of a year. My BP returned to normal without meds and I am now at a normal BMI. I cook most of my own foods now.
Human beings are innately driven to form communities, not burn them down.

a reply to: letni
A great book that delved into this subject was one second after.