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Study Finds Anthropogenic Global Warming Is Basically zero

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posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 07:58 AM
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a reply to: Lumenari

There's no need for internal combustion engines to generate more thermal energy than the sun.

Here, read this if you want to understand why the saber study doesn't make the claim you are saying it makes.




posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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It cannot be said any more plainly: anyone who does not believe that man is seriously and deleteriously impacting the environment is an utter moron. We are killing ourselves. Not Earth; she will be fine no matter what we do.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: tabularosa

What does that have to do with carbon dioxide?

An utter moron
TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 11:50 AM
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Both sides of this issue claim "science"

This has become an issue of faith, somehow.


a reply to: Dfairlite



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

there is also too much money to be lost if we start cleaning up the place, despite the evidence to suggest we do have an impact !

Whether we do or not the fact is we damage ecosystems because of our industry so although the temperature may have increased by our actions by a fraction of a degree , what about all the habitat loss because of that tiny increase ?

We are still destroying our homeworld for profit !



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: sapien82

You could fit every human alive on the big island of hawaii with room to spare. We aren't destroying anything. Also, why is it destroying our home world to cut down trees and build homes and business, to extract chemicals for manufacturing, to mine rocks for metals, etc? Why are beavers allowed to cut down trees, pollute rivers and dam them? Why are animals allowed to eat the grass down to the dirt? Why are tigers allowed to stalk and kill other creatures? Why are locusts allowed to destroy greenery? Yet they're not destroying their home world for profit?

I just don't get this argument, as though we are the only ones capable of destruction. As though the world can be destroyed by us at all. The only thing we can do is make it uninhabitable for ourselves, which we are absolutely NOT doing. The world has never been more habitable. The proof is in the numbers. Never have there been more people living than there are now.
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posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: Dfairlite


Well, this famous, Nobel laureate, Climatologist, disagrees.

LOL. You do know that Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer, right? He is no more qualified to discuss climate science than I am.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, but I don't care.......have it your way, but you do realize that ships from China are now traveling through previously frozen seas NORTH of Russia?



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 03:48 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Nope, its the coal fired power plants in India and China. 75% of India's electricity is from coal fired plants, 50% in China which explains the haze about Beijing.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 03:58 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
Even Milton Friedman back in the 70's proposed carbon taxes.


It was needed to fund his ass-headed "negative income tax" welfare queen dowry program.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

There's an interview of him on Donohue where he proposes that car manufactures should be forced to put a carbon tax on the sale of all high polluting vehicles and let the consumer decide if they want to purchase it or not. But yes, when it eventually came down to it the government bested him in the end.

Canada has taken on what he proposed tho by taxing large companies and letting the consumer dictate the market. Just that people only see the word 'tax' and freak out, not knowing it's not them directly getting screwed it's the company's.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:14 PM
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I think the ice core data speaks pretty clearly for itself. You don't need to be a climatologist to read it. Yes, there is global climate warming, but it's because over the last few thousand years we've still been in an interglacial period recovering from a little Ice Age, which is part of an ongoing complex mix of periodic temperature variations that kicked into full force around a million years ago -- about the time humans started to evolve. The Earth has always run a little on the hot side. What's happening is that the Earth is slowly returning to its NORMAL temperature, which was always hotter than it is now. It would do it whether we were here or not.

So rather than people trying to stop global warming or unnaturally cool the Earth, we should be focusing our efforts on how to adapt to it, including moving underground and underwater.
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posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: burdman30ott6

There's an interview of him on Donohue where he proposes that car manufactures should be forced to put a carbon tax on the sale of all high polluting vehicles and let the consumer decide if they want to purchase it or not. But yes, when it eventually came down to it the government bested him in the end.

Canada has taken on what he proposed tho by taxing large companies and letting the consumer dictate the market. Just that people only see the word 'tax' and freak out, not knowing it's not them directly getting screwed it's the company's.


This is one of those issues that may look OK on paper, but in practice and considering history, it's pretty obvious who will take it in the shorts. Same can be said of any "VAT" style tax. Crap runs downhill and the consumer will always be at the bottom of the hill, waiting to pay both the corporation's expenses and profits.

TARP in this country was a decent example of what I mean. We are supposed to be a capitalist market... in a capitalist market, there is no such thing as "too big to fail" yet here we are. Truth be known, a LOT of the ideas I rail against on here aren't bad ideas on paper and considering the absence of historical precedent alongside man's inherent nature to much things up. Social Security, for example, wasn't a bad idea... until it became a welfare slush fund and stopped being a pure "what you put in, you may draw back out" mandatory savings account for retirement. Clean air and clean water are certainly wonderful ideals and we should be regulating towards that direction on a nation-by-nation simply for the sake of clean air and clean water, but we totally mucked that one up by using a pseudoscientific theory (which anyone who challenges it or calls for testing the theory becomes an enemy and is lambasted as a "denier" rather than taken up on the challenge as real science has done for centuries with actual defensible and provable theories) to push a system in which some of the developed world picks up the entire tab and responsibility for the rest of the world's unrestricted activities. This is where restrictions on government are sorely needed.... once a good idea has been brought to the table We the People must ensure the government doesn't use it as a cover to enact a slew of bad ideas alongside it.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

You do realize there were many times in the past (actually most of the past) where there wasn't a single block of ice on the earth, right? That's why I'm confused about how you got from "ice is melting" to "ice is melting because of people!"



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

The welfare state has created a huge rift in how people view the the government. They turn to them when a problem is needed to be addressed. But government can only do so much, they need to find solutions to a problem that the public, institutions, experts, and company's have noticed.

Does it not alarm you a little that there is an over all consensus that climate change is a threat? Governments just didn't think this up, it was something that outside influences noticed, including some oil company's and made government aware. The problem I see is this. If man made global warming is such a sham, then why aren't polluting company's fighting against it harder? It took years and years or public out cry, and tobacco company's fighting and lobbying government, but in the end they were wrong. Can't the deep pockets of big oil do the same, and prove them wrong?



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Gas taxes basically do that. The drivers of gas guzzlers pay a lot more tax than the prius drivers.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

It's worked in a lot of European nations, Britain for one.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
If man made global warming is such a sham, then why aren't polluting company's fighting against it harder?


Because at best there are companies making a fortune off of it and, at worst, most major corporations have managed to drive the discussion towards a direction of consumers conditioned to pay the companies' additional costs for them while railing against governments who are ultimately responsible for those new fees.

Money to be made. Al Gore was worth about $1 Million the last time he was actually employed, in 2000. His latest estimated net worth is now $300 Million and what has he done in the past 19 years? Been an ambassador for "preventing" climate change. It's a money making scam and just may be the largest, most fallen for dupe in human history.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 05:03 PM
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They use themselves as sources, haha!



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

What has worked? VAT? I lived in germany and every german I knew hated VAT and wished it had never happened.



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