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posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 12:21 AM
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Crucifixion story started as a way to co-opt the Odinist belief system.

Odin was said to have impaled himself on the tree of life with his own spear, and hung there for 9 days, not even allowing the other gods to offer him water. After doing that, he learned the runes.

norse-mythology.org...


The parallels with the story of Jesus are pretty obvious. Paul, in some epistles, actually calls the cross a "tree" instead of a "cross".

Jesus hangs on the Cross for 9 hours, and is pierced with a spear at the end. (Which later comes to be known as the "spear of destiny". Not unlike Odin's spear Gungnir, which never misses.)


If you're trying to decide who stole who's story, ask yourself: why the number 9? 9 appears all over the place in Odinic legends. 9 planes, 9 virtues, I think there are even 9 runes.

How frequently do you see the number 9 in the bible? 7 happens all over the place. How often does 9 happen?




Seriously, there's not even strong evidence the Romans even used crucifixion. So far to date, the sum total of all archaeological evidence found so far, is one human ankle bone with a nail through it.

The WHOLE purpose of this story was to co-opt a legend that was central to European Pagan beliefs.




posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 02:54 AM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

"If you're trying to decide who stole who's story"


One could argue that seven comes before nine?
Or that 7 is closer to the source 1.

Or that 9 is the highest number and later religions would step down the ladders of vibratonal awareness!

How do you Interpret the numbers?

Sincerely No Clue



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: NoClue

I've felt the same things as a Christian. That's why you won't see crosses on or in the Church of Jesus Christ (aka Mormon) Church. We choose to focus on the life and teachings of Christ, as well as his resurrection miracle, and his redeeming grace, rather than dwelling on the cruel method of his murderers. We believe in Jesus Christ as our personal Lord and Savior. We center our faith and worship around him and his mission to save all mankind, overcoming sin and death. The symbols we do focus on are the sacraments we take each week to remind ourselves to follow in his footsteps. We also try to make the way we live our lives an outward symbol of our inner conviction.

www.comeuntochrist.org...

I'm sure some of you are gearing up to tell me that I'm not a real Christian or to shred religion in general. I'm not looking for a brawl. Just wanted to speak up and let the original poster know that I had those questions too, and found my answers. Peace y'all. I respect all who try to better themselves no matter the faith, or lack thereof.



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: perma

I was always of the impression the teachings of Jesus are self empowering and It is clearly readable in the difference of your tone compared to other posters.

There is faith i have no doubt about that.
If anybody ever heard of these teachings I'm not shure of.
I'm btrying to find out?

I'm glad you contributed

No Clue



posted on Jul, 15 2019 @ 08:51 PM
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One of these days, I'm going to buy a necklace with a capital "T".



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 02:03 AM
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originally posted by: NoClue
a reply to: bloodymarvelous

"If you're trying to decide who stole who's story"


One could argue that seven comes before nine?
Or that 7 is closer to the source 1.

Or that 9 is the highest number and later religions would step down the ladders of vibratonal awareness!

How do you Interpret the numbers?

Sincerely No Clue


I'm making a stochastic argument.

Everywhere in the Bible, numerical symbolism is used over and over. Jesus fasts for 42 days and 42 nights. Moses creates a group of 70 administrators.

Most of the numbers don't really mean somebody counted, and arrived at a specific number. They're just symbolic, or hold some kind of meaning.

Other religions do it too. Certain numbers have significance and others are just there.

9, doesn't get featured anywhere else in the bible as a significant number. There's no reason for the writer to specify how many hours Jesus was on the cross, if the number of hours isn't important somehow.

In Odinnic lore, the number was very important. Odin hanging there for 9 days was symbolically linked to the 9 planes of existence (which intersect at Yggrdrasil the world tree.) Also the use of his own special spear (Gungnir) was significant.

Odin describes the act as a "Sacrifice of himself, to himself." Just like Jesus the son of God sacrificing himself to God (who in various versions of the holy trinity doctrine, may be the same person anyway.)


But,,, if one culture is appropriating another culture's religious story, the thing to look for to tell who borrowed from who is stuff like which system of important numbers the final story matches to. Details like that can be seen as a sort of cultural fingerprint.



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 02:07 AM
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It's hard for many modern Christians to understand this:

Ancient pagans actually believed their religions. In exactly the same way as how modern Christians today really believe.


There are stories older than the Bible.



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

And there are storys newer than the bible....

The question is do you tell your own story or someone else's...?

No Clue



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: NoClue

It's all about how one interprets things. The cross (much like all of the alleged slavery statues of previous leaders of America = a reminder of history and how far we've come), the cross is a "reminder" of what Jesus did for mankind and what was sacrificed. Without it, there would be nothing but words, which unbelievers and Satanists would twist, like they're already doing. It's a visual representation of the sacrifice made for mankind. Nothing more. Some people look at things through selfish filters, and others look at them for what they mean for humanity.
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posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 01:09 PM
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a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Shure everything that isn't a rehash of the Bible must be the devil!

Suspicious at best


Sincerely No Clue



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: NoClue
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Shure everything that isn't a rehash of the Bible must be the devil!

Suspicious at best


Sincerely No Clue




What's "suspicious" is that you asked a question, and as soon as I answer it with the correct answer (as I am a Christian and would know)...you immediately shoot it down and call it suspicious. This is why you never get it..you don't want to understand. You simply want to bash the beliefs of others, while standing on your soap box, acting all high and mighty with nothing to even bring to the table for discussion. The DNA avatar and your name of "No Clue" is true irony here, as you deny an obvious truth. What do YOU believe in?


The Bible does says quite clearly, that if it's not of GOD, that is is of the Devil, as he is the one who is controlling the world until Jesus returns to remove him from management essentially. Even the highest of elitist's, running our Governments, worship the Devil and say that he's real. Some say they have even met him. (speculation of course, as I have never seen him, but then I have never met many here on earth);
So yes, you are correct, that's what I meant. I would believe the Bible before I would believe some eye rolling, dismissive doubter that thinks everything is here for no reason. One can simply look around, especially on a cellular level and see an intelligent design, by an intelligent creator, yet man would rather believe another stupid man (or woman) first, just because of what college they went to. All of this didn't happen because of an invisible nothingness, that exploded into rocks, that then gave birth to biology. That's just stupid, yet many simply believe it...because they were told so by another man who has more money than they do. Weak at best.

BTW, just because man changes, and social experiments change the way we believe others here on earth, doesn't mean that GOD or his word changes..it does not. We screw ourselves more and more, the more we "allegedly" get smarter. What is really happening is that we are being told lies by the elite's, and we are getting to be very intelligent about stupid things that don't matter. We now have a world of intelligent, ignorant people. There are many great scientists that have tried to prove that GOD didn't exist, just to become Christian's after they did their full research. Even they knew that there was an intelligent designer and that the universe didn't start from an explosion that literally came from nowhere and created the intricacies of life. I was in the military like many others and have seen a lot of explosions...not once have they remotely created life, in fact, they created nothing but big messes and all life was "lost". So, suspicious or not....truth is truth whether you like the answer or not.
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posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 02:54 PM
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Jesus is not real



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I got it long ago. And moved on to the next lie, and the next and the next, funnily they all have a little truth buried in between, but if you feel comfortable with the one you believe in go for it!

Absolutely No Clue



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

I had to look up stochastic... Could have just said random... Thanks i learned a new fancy word!

I'm more or less aware of the numerology in the different religions, I guess it has something to do with the energy and it's pattern and how it gets changed having certain numbers ingrained while focusing on the long run?

Clueless guess at best



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 05:23 PM
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a reply to: NoClue

The cross is an adopted symbol of previous religious systems...

He was nailed to a stake or pole anyways.... not a cross

And we actually have proof of how it was done in the first century




posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

So is every symbol unless you create your own.

Who gives the bearer of a torture symbol the right to judge over other symbols?

Honestly No Clue



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: NoClue

I suppose it would come down to how much one cares about what said person wearing the cross says or thinks

Symbols don't give rights or power over others.... neither does religion in general

unless of course you give them that power




posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: Theyy
Jesus is not real



Yes. He is.



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

I see we are on the same page!

I don't enjoy it either and balancing polarities without being able to influence the Gravity point means giving projection space for the perceived opposite while slowly dissolving the differences. That is if you want to help!

Sincerely No Clue



posted on Jul, 16 2019 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: NoClue

If your like me and keep digging further and further into the rabbit hole, I suggest checking out the book, “Can you stand the truth? The chronicle of mans imprisonment”.

The book sourced scripture, science, and channeled messages. It paints a picture few others do and in doing so helps one to look at religion (any one) in a completely different way.

A must read for anyone interested in uncovering some more of the hidden truth. You don’t even have to believe much of what the book says to still learn a lot that isn’t commonly shared.



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