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China to Sanction U.S. Companies for Arms Sales to Taiwan

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posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Jay-morris

How many nations has the United States annexed, again?


You do not have a decent comeback? lol

You ignore my posts and ask more questions. Not good.

Historically, how many countries do you think the US has invaded?




posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Jay-morris

How many nations has the United States annexed, again?


You do not have a decent comeback? lol

You ignore my posts and ask more questions. Not good.

Historically, how many countries do you think the US has invaded?


No, no, you're not going to move the goalposts and not get called out over it. You want to make the comment that the US today is akin to Nazi Germany, put up or STFU and answer my question. How many nations has the US annexed? Germany annexed Austria, Lithuania, Poland, France, the Czech Republic, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg, Belgium, and the Ukraine, surely if you're seriously comparing the US to this you can name some free nations forcibly annexed by the US government? Nazi Germany also carried out a little thing called the "Holocaust" (you may have heard of it) which involved the death of millions of their own citizens based solely on their race and religion... I'm betting you have a real doozie from the United States' actions to compare that one to!!! Nazi Germany passed draconian gun control laws and enacted gun confiscations... so far the USA has managed to prevent this country's radical leftists from pulling that one off, so I have to assume that wasn't part of your comparison, unless you were also delving into intentions. Nazi Germany had one of the largest socialist programs in the world at the height of their lead up to World War 2, with the Nazi government controlling all means of production and providing a universal basic income to citizens, a central government administered "free" health care system, and a MASSIVE social welfare state called the Nationalsozialistische Volkswohlfahrt... now, on this one, I can see where you're going and you're not totally off base. The USA is, unfortunately, trying desperately to ape Nazi Germany and construct the world's largest hand out pandering system, but have faith! Many of us here in the US are opposed to it and are presently fighting to keep the US from becoming a weak-ass welfare nation.

So, again, I ask you where do your comparisons come from? Aside from certain forces within this country pushing us towards Nazi socialist welfare systems, production models, and abdication of the Second Amendment, I'm not seeing many venues for comparison between the two.



posted on Jul, 19 2019 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

So then the only player in this game who is in the wrong is China. Taiwan wanted US help. The US helped.

Sorry China still being at war with Taiwan and explicitly stating they are going to take Taiwan is not good enough for you to think they mean it.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 04:05 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6


No, no, you're not going to move the goalposts and not get called out over it. You want to make the comment that the US today is akin to Nazi Germany, put up or STFU and answer my question.


Seriosly!? You really think you could put words in my mouth and actually get away with it? Sorry, but you are not bright enough to do that!

Please tell me, when did I say America is like Nazi Germany? Please post where I said that?

The reason why I brought up Nazi Germany was the fact that you, and another poster said you did not care if your country invaded a country illegally, and then I said what's the difference between that train of thought and the the train of thought in Nazi Germany.

Because you could not answer that question, you have somehow come to the conclusion ( or wanted people to think) that I am saying that America is like Nazi Germany.

That is completly wrong, and you know it! If you cannot answer my questions, then leave the thread, but don't lie!



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Jay-morris

So then the only player in this game who is in the wrong is China. Taiwan wanted US help. The US helped.

Sorry China still being at war with Taiwan and explicitly stating they are going to take Taiwan is not good enough for you to think they mean it.


You are not listening! They are allies, so of course America will come to their aid. If China invaded them, then not just America will come to their aid.

It's a war that China cannot win. So, why would one of the oldest civilizations in the world make such a stupid move? The only reason is if their leader has a death wish.

Empty words are just that, empty words!



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 06:53 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

False. It can not be done TODAY. What about 20 years, 30 years from now? They did not say they would invade tomorrow, they said they will take Taiwan back by 2050 iirc, and if it requires an invasion so be it.

The ONLY country in the wrong on this issue is China. No one else. At all.
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posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Jay-morris

False. It can not be done TODAY. What about 20 years, 30 years from now? They did not say they would invade tomorrow, they said they will take Taiwan back by 2050 iirc, and if it requires an invasion so be it.

The ONLY country in the wrong on this issue is China. No one else. At all.


You have no evidence to back up what you are saying! Of course people lime you want a war with china because you see them as a future threat economic wise. That is what this is really about.

You really think, one of the oldest civilizations in the world, would seriously throw away everything just like that?

China knows it will lose a war with America and it's allies, so why the hell would they do that?



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 10:50 AM
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China will sanction U.S. firms that participate in arms sales to Taiwan,


Which companies does this actually affect? I'm not an expert in firms that sell militarily equipment; but I have to assume most US military contractors don't sell their arms to China. So why would they care if China sanctions them?
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posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 11:03 AM
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A lot of companies have commercial and defense components. Companies like Oshkosh sell commercial heavy -duty trucks and firetrucks that have an international market, as well as military equipment. They could also penalize subs who make different sorts of equipment that is dual use or have commercial divisions. Things kike electronics, people who make hydraulics, seals, valves, other landing gear components, weather radars, etc It's probably not a large number, but there are companies affected, I'm sure.
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posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 11:08 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

You're clueless. I want our companies to pull out of China and move to more Western Friendly countries. You keep ignoring the fact no one is saying it will happen today. China will wait until they are strong enough to challenge the US before they make overt moves. It is not baseless fantasizing, China themselves says this is their plan. I sourced it, you just want to dismiss it because you don't agree. Know what, your opinion is meaningless and means diddly. China's non stop aggression towards every single neighbor it has, stealing their land, threatening war, and outright stating they will take Taiwan by whatever means necessary as soon as they can is what actually matters.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 11:28 AM
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You're clueless. I want our companies to pull out of China and move to more Western Friendly countries.


lol and you call me clueless! Why do western businesses take their work to China? Because it's cheap labour. You think it's as easy as western companies just moving out of China lol And you call me clueless!


You keep ignoring the fact no one is saying it will happen today. China will wait until they are strong enough to challenge the US before they make overt moves. It is not baseless fantasizing, China themselves says this is their plan. I sourced it, you just want to dismiss it because you don't agree


Firstly, the link you posted did not even work, as I mentioned in the post after that. So China has admitted that they want to take over the world lol lolol Paranoid much?


China's non stop aggression towards every single neighbor it has, stealing their land, threatening war, and outright stating they will take Taiwan by whatever means necessary as soon as they can is what actually matters.


But it's ok for the west to invade countries and destabilize countries? See this is the problem here, and you just do not see it! No matter the horror your country does, you will rationalise it to make it ok. When another country does it, they are evil and need to be stopped. You are brainwashed and conditioned, simple as that!



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Two of your buddies on this thread have already said they would not batter an eyelid if their government invaded a country illegally, as long as they stay on top!

Are you the same?



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

Why are you replying to me about something others said.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Jay-morris

Why are you replying to me about something others said.


Because I want to see where you stand. Also the fact that you did not condem them for having such extreme, patriotic views.

So, are you like them?



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

When they ask me a question I will answer them, I have no idea what their views are and I am not talking to them.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Jay-morris

When they ask me a question I will answer them, I have no idea what their views are and I am not talking to them.


I asked you if you hold the same views. Are you an extreme patriot?



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

I have no idea what their views are and you are unqualified to tell me. That would require you to know the operation of their mind, unless you are telling me you can psychically read their mind.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Jay-morris

I have no idea what their views are and you are unqualified to tell me. That would require you to know the operation of their mind, unless you are telling me you can psychically read their mind.


I am not saying your are, I am asking you. There is a huge difference there!.

Ok, you are not going to answer. Ok, let's go back to an earlier question you ignored.

You speak about the threat of China, but it's ok for western countries, including your own to invade countries and destabilize countries resulting in millions of innocent men, women and children dying.

Is that ok because it's the good old west, here to keep us safe?

This is not about which government is worse, this is about governments doing terrible things, while the people of that country turn a blind dye, while condeming other countries for the bad things they do.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:33 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

You can ask me questions but you can't ask me to comment on what other people think.



posted on Jul, 20 2019 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

I do not agree with everything America does, but if you want to make a thread about the Middle East you are welcome to do so. This is about Taiwan and China and US arms sales in the area.



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