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posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
To answer your second question.

He gave humans a mind of their own.

God did not pollute the world, humans did.
God did not murder millions of people in wars, humans did.

No matter how delusional in their understanding.



Thought God murdered millions of people in the flood, or how about the destruction of sodom and gomorrah? Or how about when he goes on one of his baby killing sprees?
They may not be so much act of wars, but more like genocide...

So he gave us our free will? Then told everybody to worship him and follow his every command or you will go to hell for eternity!?!

The guy is a psychopathic dictator full of hate and lust for revenge, more people have been killed in the name of God than by anything else

Also, he DOESNT EXIST!!

Who did you say was delusional???


It's because when you don't submit to God you remain wicked. You know, a lying and cheating good guy.

What is God?


God = Creator, Me, I can create, God = Me...

To me God is just EVERYTHING, not a person, not somebody, but EVERYTHING.
Heaven and Hell isnt a place you can go if you worship God, but a place you can create with the actions you take in life.
Organised Religion is the wicked one, lying and cheating to enslave human race, religion is personal, youre a part of God too, dont let another man tell you what God wants you to do, only YOU know that...

So call me wicked if you must, i will NEVER submit to any other God than myself...




posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance

originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
To answer your second question.

He gave humans a mind of their own.

God did not pollute the world, humans did.
God did not murder millions of people in wars, humans did.

No matter how delusional in their understanding.



Thought God murdered millions of people in the flood, or how about the destruction of sodom and gomorrah? Or how about when he goes on one of his baby killing sprees?
They may not be so much act of wars, but more like genocide...

So he gave us our free will? Then told everybody to worship him and follow his every command or you will go to hell for eternity!?!

The guy is a psychopathic dictator full of hate and lust for revenge, more people have been killed in the name of God than by anything else

Also, he DOESNT EXIST!!

Who did you say was delusional???


It's because when you don't submit to God you remain wicked. You know, a lying and cheating good guy.

What is God?


God = Creator, Me, I can create, God = Me...

To me God is just EVERYTHING, not a person, not somebody, but EVERYTHING.
Heaven and Hell isnt a place you can go if you worship God, but a place you can create with the actions you take in life.
Organised Religion is the wicked one, lying and cheating to enslave human race, religion is personal, youre a part of God too, dont let another man tell you what God wants you to do, only YOU know that...

So call me wicked if you must, i will NEVER submit to any other God than myself...


Organised religion should consider where one is in life and build up people from there on. One should not be enslaved though one should serve.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: Joeshiloh




branch's, then the leaf, then the flower there is the 3 in one


You missed the root, without that nothing happens.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance




Scratch the surface of any anti-christian and there comes the curse


Your words betray you. Where have I cursed you? Obviously you have a problem following your own line of reasoning.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance




cause since he is almighty and does not stop it.





But it is only when humans choose to do evil that God allows it.


So man effectively doesn't have "free will"



Eventually man will be judged by God and not the other way around.


So you are judging man, that he will, in turn be judged by god.

This is what I mean by Christian hypocrisy



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I think we have be indoctranated to worship and fetishize 'suffering'.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Out6of9Balance




cause since he is almighty and does not stop it.





But it is only when humans choose to do evil that God allows it.


So man effectively doesn't have "free will"



Why is that?


originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Out6of9Balance
Eventually man will be judged by God and not the other way around.


So you are judging man, that he will, in turn be judged by god.

This is what I mean by Christian hypocrisy




Yea, keep talking to yourself. You're doing great so far.
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posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 11:41 AM
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Because of redemption..



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Freewill is an illusion.

The field is the sole governing agency of the particle. Einstein.

The ocean is waving.
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posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: FyreByrd

There is that byrd. Job being a prime western example. Like much of what we have or see today virtues have been taken and turned into fads.

i always was interested in the St. Francis story of him torturing himself, putting himself through so much suffering and pain just so that he could share more with Jesus, be more like Jesus yet somehow missing the notion that he was bringing it on himself where Jesus had it forced on him. And the flagellants omg, what a misguided notion. Well, maybe not as I suppose it got them feeling worthy or something like that anyway.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: glend
a reply to: Nothin



Does it not seem that a lot of suffering: comes from us not getting what we want? Or from the world not being as we would wish? Grasping, craving, wishing, wanting: are these not how we cause suffering to ourselves, and others?


Perhaps its not one or the other (ego or spiritual eye). But a combination of both. As written in Gospel of Thomas - ("when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female").

So I find myself shifting my perspective yet again. From redirecting my focus from me to others. Helping others is the only joy that never fades in me. aka practising Bodhicitta. So I don't plan to exit for the sake of exiting. I plan to stay a while


There it is!
No more you, having a desire to help: but just the Bodhicitta, in the now!
Joy replaced 'suffering'.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 07:46 PM
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Just as metal needs to be heated and beaten to become pure so do we as a species.

Our species was tainted by the fall. Gods wants people that will turn to him.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Wrong. First of all God/Elohim gave mankind free will. It is humans, more like animals, whom commit atrocities. IT is also highly ironic that the same people whom believe like you, are the same ones whom justify the murder of the most innocent humans.

Not only do people like you justify the murder of the unborn, meanwhile screaming and crying about how animals are treated in farms, but the left in general, not all, even want to murder newborns whom survive abortions and are born alive.

There are even more sadistic "progressives/liberals/socialists/communists, etc", as in the case of Peter Singer whom has argued that it isn't morally wrong to murder NEWBORNS and babies because in his mind, and the mind of many other progressives/liberals/socialists/communists etc", they are not fully grown humans...


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Abstract

Abortion is largely accepted even for reasons that do not have anything to do with the fetus' health. By showing that (1) both fetuses and newborns do not have the same moral status as actual persons, (2) the fact that both are potential persons is morally irrelevant and (3) adoption is not always in the best interest of actual people, the authors argue that what we callafter-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.
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After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?


Infanticide Should Be Legalized

The United States should allow the use of infanticide in the case of infants with severe medical complications. This policy should be adopted because euthanizing infants in some scenarios can be a valid moral option since certain infants can be born with absolutely terrible life prospects. For example, there are a number of instances where infants can have terminal ailments that cause them to suffer immensely after birth before killing them shortly thereafter. In these situations, infanticide should be an option available to the parents of infants with these conditions. Additionally, there are strong grounds that can justify infanticide in a broader context since infants are not rational and self-conscious agents. Because infants cannot hold a conscious desire to continue living – and have never held a conscious desire to continue living - they can't be given the same rights as persons. Therefore, painlessly killing an infant cannot be wrong in the same way that killing a person is wrong. Of course, there would have to be parameters set around the practice of killing infants. And such technical matters are, indeed, important. But, for now, it is sufficient to recognize that there are certain situations in which intentionally killing infants can be justified.
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Infanticide Should Be Legalized

If you don't know who this insane person known as Peter Singer is, here.

BTW, like "certain people before him" he has also written about "animal liberalization and people becoming vegans for the good of everyone including animals..."


Peter Albert David Singer, AC (born 6 July 1946) is an Australian moral philosopher. He is the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University, and a Laureate Professor at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at the University of Melbourne. He specialises in applied ethics and approaches ethical issues from a secular, utilitarian perspective. He is known in particular for his book Animal Liberation (1975), in which he argues in favour of veganism, and his essay "Famine, Affluence, and Morality", in which he argues in favour of donating to help the global poor. For most of his career, he was a preference utilitarian, but he stated in The Point of View of the Universe (2014), coauthored with Katarzyna de Lazari-Radek, that he had become a hedonistic utilitarian.
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en.wikipedia.org...

In fact being atheist makes people more likely to take such stands as Peter Singer, and Liberals/progressives/socialists like in New York. Not all atheists are the same, but being atheist makes people more likely to commit atrocities and to justify those atrocities. Case in point the "Red terrors" that occurred in countries like in Spain in 1936 in which most "left-wingers of all denominations" decided to go on a killing spree murdering up about 6,000-7,000 catholic priests and other religious people as well as others up to 172,000 who were capitalists in a matter of months... They also destroyed untold numbers of churches, and religious figures/statues since they were ALL ATHEISTS.

So there goes your argument back to you.



edit on 12-7-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment and add excerpt and links.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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Scientists are now questioning reality. They think it could all be just an illusion. If that's true, then God could also be, and this is a dream turned nightmare.



posted on Jul, 12 2019 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
Why does God allow good things to happen? Did anything good ever happen in your life?

Take some personal responsibility for your life outcomes (you know you do have some control over this).



posted on Jul, 13 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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Because of the perception of time by humans.

Of coarse I need to elaborate on this. If any King had a serious problem within his realm, perhaps it was invaded by 3000 foreign raiders that were raping and pillaging in a part of his Kingdom. Once he knew about it, he immediately dispatched his army to march to and fix the problem, it was estimated it was going to take 5 days to gather his army and march them to the spot and 2 days to battle the raiders. The King said I promise to have this fixed in one week, and he did exactly that.

From God's perspective time is very different than from how we view it, his perspective of time is not bound to our earth spinning around a sun as we have set it up. What if as soon as things went wrong thousands of years ago God said at the end of one week, 7 days I am going to have this 100% solved. Would that be unreasonable ?
The real issue is that the bible says time passes very very fast for God because it is relative, if you are middle aged you know this to be true, time moves much faster from our personal perpsective the older we get. Why would it be any different for God ?
The bible gives us a reference 1 of his days is equal to a thousand years of our human years. The timeline he gave us was the whole problem solved within around 7000 of our years and 7 of his days or a week for him, a reasonable time to solve a big problem. Keep in mind this includes Christ 1000 year reign the bible speaks of as well.

And that is why it appears God is allowing suffering, he has a plan to solve it permanently within a reasonable time frame from his point of view. The plan is coming very close to being fulfilled. Humans naturally want suffering to end instantly, our lives and of those we care about are too short to want to wait, thus our perspective of how we would fix it exists from the viewpoint of a being that exists for less than 100 years......not eternity.

Why does God allow suffering is logical natural question for humans to ask, but there is an answer. What I have found over the years is when people hear the answer, they just disagree with it. They may have forgotten that God did end human suffering in the past, by wiping out all the wicked that were causing it, with only a few survivors, it was called "The Flood"
A similar purge of humanity is on the horizon and the percentage of survivors will be low just like in Noah's time.
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posted on Jul, 13 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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God Doesn’t do that part Satan Does Y’all Have It so mixed up.



posted on Jul, 13 2019 @ 10:17 AM
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Let's say you own a ant farm and have all the money and resources to take care and provide everything for your ants.

Ants still get old, accidents happen...

The world is a living organism with the aid of powerful beings called gods.

Evey piece of evidence points to intelligent design.
The human body and it parts were specially designed.
And the designer must have been very powerful and smart.



posted on Jul, 13 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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God gave humans free will. If God were to intervene in order to stop acts that humans consider to be evil, then it would contradict the idea of free will. An almighty creator would never contradict itself.



posted on Jul, 13 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: Out6of9Balance




Yea, keep talking to yourself. You're doing great so far.


First learn and practise how to use "quotes" correctly, so you dont misattribute posts.




Yea, keep talking to yourself. You're doing great so far.


I pointed out your gaps in logic. And now you're "taking your toys and running home to mama"

Well played.




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