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Originally posted by Seapeople
So iasion, what you are saying is that the council of Nicea never occured?
Well in the year 335 Constantine specifically stated that he wanted to remove all references to reincarnation from the bible.
In 553 ad, the councel of Nicea in Constantinople had a main purpose, and it was to ratify those specific thoughts. The entire purpose of the conference was for this.
For you to post this, you must be denying exactly what was done.
Tell me Iason, are those passages from the bible included in your KJV 1611, or are they still there?
Have you read the Canons of the Council of Nicea?
I see there is no mention of re-incarnation there.
Originally posted by MisfitDiver
If I may ask though....for arguments sake, let's say that they did take out reincarnation. Why would they include that they did so in their records? Wouldn't they be defeating the purpose a little bit if they left evidence that they did?
We were thrown to the lions in the circuses of Rome, and we celebrated our rituals in the catacombs. We were burnt alive in the flames of the Roman Catholic inquisition. We accompanied Jesus Christ in the Holy Land. We were the mystical Essenes of Palastine; we are not improvising opportunist doctrines. We were hidden during twenty centuries and we are now returning once again to the street carrying on our shoulders the old, rough and heavy cross.
Paul took our doctrine to Rome and he was a Nazarene Gnostic.
Christ taught our doctrine in secrecy to the seventy disciples.
The Sethani, Peratae, Carpocratians, Nazarenes and Essenses are Gnostic. The Egyptian and Aztec Mysteries, the Mysteries of Rome, Troy, Carthage, of Eleusis, India, of the Druids, Pythagoreans, Kambirs, of Mithra and Persia, etc. are in their entirety that which we call Gnosis or Gnosticism.
We now once again open the ancient Gnostic Sanctuaries which were closed upon the arrival of the dark age.
We are now opening the authentic Initiatic Colleges. - Excerpted from The Greater Mysteries by Samael Aun Weor.
There are four very important paths that every Perfect Matrimony must know:
The path of the Fakir
The path of the Monk
The path of the Yogi
The path of the well-balanced human being
The Universal Christian Gnostic Movement has school and Religion.
We experience the first path in practical matters learning to live with rectitude.
The second path lies within our church. Our Gnostic Church has its sacraments, rituals and its convent life.
The third path has to do with occult practices. We have our esoteric practices, special exercises for the development of the latent powers in the human being.
On the fourth path, which is "The Path of the Astute Man," we live practically in the most complete equilibrium. We study Alchemy and Kabbalah. We work on the disintegration of the psychological "I."
The Roman Catholic Church in its present form was not founded by Jesus. This Roman Church is a deviation or corruption, a fallen branch of the holy Gnosticism. The Roman Catholic Church is a cadaver...
In this present time, the Roman Catholic Church has totally lost the tradition. That is why we see that in this Roman Church the fire of the temple is lit by acolyte boys, an action that is not only an absurdity, but more over, a very grave sacrilege and an insult to life itself...
We are not members of the Roman Catholic Church.This church only follows the path of the Monk. We follow all four paths. We have the path of the Monk in our Gnostic religion with its Patriarch, Archbishops, Bishops and Priests. That is why we do not belong to the Church of Rome.
We are not against any religion, school or sect either. Many priests of the Roman Church have come to our ranks. People from all organizations have become affiliated with our Gnostic Movement.
Our Gnostic Church is one of the most complete ones. On the path of the Fakir, we learn to live with rectitude. On the path of the Monk, we develop emotion. On the path of the Yogi, we practice esoteric exercises that activate the latent occult powers of man. On the path of the balanced man, we work with Alchemy and with Kabbalah, and we struggle disintegrating the "I."
Our Gnostic Church is the Transcendent Church. This church is found in the Superior Worlds.
We also have many temples in the physical world. In addition, we have opened thousands of Gnostic Lumisials where Holy Rituals are celebrated and the Secret Doctrine of the Beloved Saviour of the world is studied. We must not forget that our Gnostic Movement has both school and religion.
It has already been decisively confirmed that Jesus the Christ was Gnostic. The Saviour of the World was an active member of the cast of Essenes, mystics who never cut their hair or their beards.
The Gnostic Church is the authentic Primitive Christian Church whose first Pope was the Gnostic Initiate called Peter. Paul of Tarsus belonged to that church. He was a Nazarene. The Nazarenes were another Gnostic sect.
The Primitive Christian Church was the true main esoteric trunk from which many other Neo-Christian sects sprung forth, such as: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Adventism, the Armenian Church, etc.
Frankly, we have made the resolution to make the root of Christianity, Gnosticism, publicly known. This is the Primitive Christian Church. The Patriarch Basilides belonged to the Gnostic church. He was the celebrated alchemist who left a seven page book of lead, which, according to Master Krumm Heller, is preserved in the Kiercher Museum of the Vatican. This book cannot be understood by archaeologists because it is a book of occult science. Basilides was a disciple of Saint Matthias.
Roman Catholicism of today is not true Catholicism. Legitimate, authentic, Catholicism is the Primitive Christian Catholic Gnostic one. The current Roman Sect is only a deviation of Primitive Gnostic Catholicism. Frankly, this is the basic reason why we have completely distanced ourselves from the Roman Sect.
Saints such as: Saturninus of Antioch, the celebrated Kabbalist, belonged to the Primitive Christian Catholic Gnostic Church; Simon the Magician, who unfortunately deviated; Carpocrates, who founded several Gnostic convents in Spain; Marcion of Ponto, Saint Thomas, Saint Valentine; the Great Master of Major Mysteries called Saint Augustine; Tertullian; Saint Ambrose; Irenaeus; Hippolytus; Epiphanius; Clement of Alexandria; Mark, the Great Gnostic who took care of the Holy Gnostic Unction and left us the extraordinary teachings about the path of sexual forces through the twelve zodiacal doors of the human organism. Also Cerdon, Empedocles, Saint Geronimo and many other saints were members of the Primitive Christian Catholic Gnostic Church from which the current Roman sect deviated.
But whar we do NOT see is :
* any evidence that Nicea changed the Bible
* any evidence that any council changed the Bible
* any evidnce that re-incarnation was removed from the Bible.
in light of all the actual evidence,
my questions to you would be :
* What on earth makes you think re-incarnation was removed from the bible?
Did you know that the Bible originally had pink dancing elephants at the crucifixion?
But all reference to Pink Dancing Elephants were removed from the Bible - the fact that there are none in there now is proof they were removed.
Nice try Iasion, but people don't want to know the truth, they want something to support their beliefs first.
Even if you had it on video people won't believe it, they will just say that its been deleted.
Sometimes the illusion is stronger than the reality ....
Originally posted by Iasion
You will note there is NO MENTION of re-incarnation (nor any mention of deciding the books of the bible.)
Originally posted by helen670
The early Christian Church fought the idea of reincarnation, which entered the Christian world through Eastern teachings such as those of the Manicheans.
The legend that the Council of Nicea removed re-incarnation from the Bible (as well as another legend about it chosing the books of the Bible) is very common on the internet, and I see it popped up here again. But,
there is no evidence it happened.