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Let's talk about Epstein's flight logs....2002-2005

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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

AP made quite a few trips........hmmmmmmmmmmmmm




posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:38 PM
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Without video it is impossible to prove anything. Why people can't accept this I do not know. I served in combat with someone who turned out to be a murderer back home. Does that make me a murderer. NO. I played baseball with teens who went to Federal prison on drug charges. Should I also be charged. NO.

This guilty by association is nonsense. The FBI has nude pics of underage girls they confiscated from this guy and even that might not be enough to convict him. Did he know they were children. Did he take the pics. They have to prove it. The onus is on them to prove it.

I defend Bill Clinton, Trump, or anyone else in this situation. They are innocent until PROVEN guilty of a crime. I do not understand why anyone would not want someone to have a fair trial. It could be YOU in this situation. It it absolutely pathetic wishing harm to someone for no other reason than hatred of that person for things that are not illegal. It is disgusting.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: RickinVa


Yes.
ALSO 'Cindy Lopez' (with Sarah Kellen)

Cindy Lopez is also the young girl in the hat with Bill Clinton (below)

Note: Cindy Lopez is often confused with Rachel Chandler.


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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:43 PM
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UPDATE:

I went through all the logs listed from 98 and up.


No record of Bill Clinton ever flying to TIST aboard an Epstein Plane that I can find.


Those flights that Clinton did take on Epstein's plane, 26, when Epstein and his crew of women were present is going to be real difficult to explain away.

Please do not think I am defending Bill Clinton. All I am saying is there is no record I can find of him being on a Epstein plane to or from TIST.

Also note...that's 26 in flight log terms .......... Every stop during a flight to a destination is logged.... so a single long trip overseas will have multiple log entries for the same trip.....I hate to say this, but you could easily get 26 flight log entries in 3 or 4 trips overseas total.
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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: Stupidsecrets

Epstein specifically identified underage girls and paid them to do a "massage" which ended up being a rape.

Which he recorded to masturbate to later.

Then paid them money if they could recruit other underage girls.

That's a matter of record.

For those of us that have daughters this isn't... cool.

If you defend Bill Clinton (actual rapist) then I don't know what to tell you besides if you have daughters possibly DHS needs to get them out of your house.




posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
The FBI has nude pics of underage girls they confiscated from this guy and even that might not be enough to convict him. Did he know they were children. Did he take the pics. They have to prove it.


I don't think that's how it works.

You can't just say '' I didn't know they were children when i took photos of them naked '' - I don't think that's a defense, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

There are people in prison because they had child porno in their possession, they didn't take the pics, but they had them.
There is also people in prison for sleeping with children. They cant say '' i didn't know she was a child '' and walk...

As for guilty by association, I agree... but if you are visiting the secret island where underage sex was being prostituted, if you have a history of sexual deviance, if you are involved in helping thus crimes be brushed under the carpet.. then you are more than ''guilty by association ''
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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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Re: Doug Band (DB):

Just out:



Developing: Bill Clinton’s Top Body-Man Doug Band Flew Several Trips on the Lolita Express with the Former President




Conchita Sarnoff: I know from the pilot logs. And these were pilot logs that were written by different pilots at different times, that Clinton went, he was a guest of Epstein 27 times… Many times Clinton had his Secret Service with him and many he did not. Almost every time Clinton’s name is on the pilot log, there are underage girls.

Conchita Sarnoff also mentioned that Bill Clinton’s body-man Doug Band also flew on the Lolita Express several times with Bill Clinton — who took the 27 flights.

Doug Band was also the architect to secure lucrative deals for the Clinton Foundation. He conflicted with Chelsea Clinton.



www.thegatewaypundit.com... ident/



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: RickinVa
UPDATE:

I went through all the logs listed from 98 and up.

No record of Bill Clinton ever flying to TIST aboard an Epstein Plane that I can find.


For what it's worth, I've been using a different source for the flight logs, and it is prefaced with a statement that the flight logs are not complete.

According to newly filed court documents obtained by RadarOnline.com, flight logs that have been filed in court and released to the media were potentially "sanitaized" to protect the men who palled around with the convicted sex offender.


Something To Hide? Jeffrey Epstein Orgy Plane Sex Logs ‘Sanitized’ To Protect Pals Like Clinton, Attorneys Claim



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:11 PM
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I am starting to look at this whole thing a little differently.

I haven't been this interested to see how a story plays out in a long time!


There is a lot of information and misinformation flying around so I started looking at this very closely.


THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY:

I am starting to believe the whole Lolita Island thing is way overblown.

Why? The flight logs to and from TIST.

They don't support a narrative of all the people supposed to be involved. What the flight logs do show ( to me ) is that there were a hell of a lot of flights to and from the Virgin Islands mostly by the same small group of people...may 20 or so.. some only once.

Jeffery Epstein is a sleaze ball who took advantage of young girls......most of this was kept in this small group of people who frequently visited VI.

It is starting to make more sense that they raided his house and it went down the way it did, instead of 50 people being arrested at once.

Epstein is going to go to jail. Those close to him who were enablers/recruiters should go to jail as well.

Those people who were friends of Epstein who chose (who ever they may be) to participate in his lust of 12-14 year olds should be extremely nervous.

Yes I am looking at you Bill.

Sleep well.


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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:17 PM
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That could very well be true.


All I can go on is whats available.


If I was the pilot who signed those logs.......I would have quietly disappeared when Epstein got busted.

He knows everybody who has been on that plane going to the Virgin Islands. I don't see how he can not be involved...he had to know some funny crap was going on.


Right now, I will stick with my small group of people being involved on a daily basis. It makes more sense the longer this goes on....


When the FBI interviews the pilot(s)..... then it might expand to a lot more people, especially if they have the original logs.

I am just looking for an indication that it is starting to ramp up beyond Epstein and his close circle of friends.

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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:20 PM
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If I was the pilot who signed those logs.......I would have quietly disappeared when Epstein got busted.


Definitely. I'm betting there's lots of folks who want to disappear right now. The pilot probably has the best chance of disappearing successfully though!



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:28 PM
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I'm not a lawyer but have been on a jury. Put it this way, I would find you innocent without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt or anyone else for that matter, even if I hated them for their politics, sexuality or anything else that was legal but I disagreed with entirely.

What I see manifesting in society is the exact opposite. Even on the jury I served. They wanted to let someone walk for a crime BOTH lawyers admitted the defendant committed. Some on the jury were recent immigrants and wanted this guy to walk for that alone. That is a level of insanity, chaos I will never comprehend. It is a mental sickness is the only way I can describe it. That is not justice. It's complete disorder.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: Stupidsecrets
a reply to: Agit8dChop

I'm not a lawyer but have been on a jury. Put it this way, I would find you innocent without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt or anyone else for that matter, even if I hated them for their politics, sexuality or anything else that was legal but I disagreed with entirely.

What I see manifesting in society is the exact opposite. Even on the jury I served. They wanted to let someone walk for a crime BOTH lawyers admitted the defendant committed. Some on the jury were recent immigrants and wanted this guy to walk for that alone. That is a level of insanity, chaos I will never comprehend. It is a mental sickness is the only way I can describe it. That is not justice. It's complete disorder.



"I'm not a lawyer but have been on a jury. Put it this way, I would find you innocent without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt or anyone else for that matter, even if I hated them for their politics, sexuality or anything else that was legal but I disagreed with entirely."

I agree. I would be a tough juror. I take the "beyond reasonable doubt" seriously.

I could never ever live with myself if I thought I might have sent an innocent person to jail.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 11:00 PM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

The picture with Bill Clinton and "Cindy Lopez" is on
an airplane. I would love to hear an explanation for this
picture, any explanation.

And to be honest not all passengers are logged, it is
at the pilots discretion, unless he has oversight from
someone.

Bill saying he knows nothing about Epstein and young girls
while there is a photograph of him with an Epstein "regular"
indicates that Bill is not telling the honest truth, it seems!!



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 11:19 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: IAMTAT

The picture with Bill Clinton and "Cindy Lopez" is on
an airplane. I would love to hear an explanation for this
picture, any explanation.

And to be honest not all passengers are logged, it is
at the pilots discretion, unless he has oversight from
someone.

Bill saying he knows nothing about Epstein and young girls
while there is a photograph of him with an Epstein "regular"
indicates that Bill is not telling the honest truth, it seems!!



Bill Clinton has some very serious issues right now..

1. Multiple trips on Epstein's plane around the world (Not lolita island)
2. multiple underage girls on almost every trip.
3. Flight logs.....they show that the girls started the trip and remained the entire trip. Make it hard to claim they were "just catching a ride as far as he knew" before he says it.
4. The picture above with a known underage girl on Epstein's plane.

On a side note, Hillary has released a statement saying how she was horrified to hear of Bill's suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head next week.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 11:41 PM
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But shouldn't we be focusing on trump?

Come on people!



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: RickinVa

web.archive.org...://www.vqte.com/hillarys-tuesday-night-speech-t-7291.html according to this it was taken on rob burkes plane no idea who that is in context as its an archive but this seems to at least answer where the photo was taken and its context

its from another message board and i dont think were suposed to quote those



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 12:08 AM
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www.theguardian.com... guess they change their names too

Two of Jeffrey Epstein’s alleged accomplices are running businesses from a Manhattan property linked to the wealthy sex offender under new identities, years after appearing to have left his scandal-plagued entourage. Nada Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen, who were questioned by lawyers about whether Prince Andrew had any involvement in Epstein’s abuse of underage girls, have since reinvented themselves as Nadia Marcinko and Sarah Kensington. Marcinkova, 29, is now a pilot and the chief executive of Aviloop, a website selling discounted flying lessons and other deals related to aviation. Kellen, 34, states that she is the owner of SLK Designs, a renovations firm. However according to public records, both businesses have operated from addresses in a building on East 66th Street in Manhattan majority-owned by Epstein’s brother Mark, a wealthy property magnate. Two condominiums in the building sold last year for $2.5m and $1.85m.
so they may pop up in this new investigation again


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posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: RickinVa
I am starting to look at this whole thing a little differently.

I haven't been this interested to see how a story plays out in a long time!


There is a lot of information and misinformation flying around so I started looking at this very closely.


THIS IS MY OPINION ONLY:

I am starting to believe the whole Lolita Island thing is way overblown.

Why? The flight logs to and from TIST.

They don't support a narrative of all the people supposed to be involved. What the flight logs do show ( to me ) is that there were a hell of a lot of flights to and from the Virgin Islands mostly by the same small group of people...may 20 or so.. some only once.

Jeffery Epstein is a sleaze ball who took advantage of young girls......most of this was kept in this small group of people who frequently visited VI.

It is starting to make more sense that they raided his house and it went down the way it did, instead of 50 people being arrested at once.

Epstein is going to go to jail. Those close to him who were enablers/recruiters should go to jail as well.

Those people who were friends of Epstein who chose (who ever they may be) to participate in his lust of 12-14 year olds should be extremely nervous.

Yes I am looking at you Bill.

Sleep well.


Epstein has more than one aircraft. Besides the 727 he also has a Gulfstream 5 which has intercontinental range. A trip to TIST would be cheaper and better in the G5 instead of the 727 unless there were to many passengers

Bill has already said he did not inhale and never went to the island or the ranch in Arizona. I think I saw that on some Fox News blurb ? Pretty much par for the course with the Clintons IMO. This whole affair may be much bigger than most of us are aware of at present. I just hope for once it is equal justice for all and not to big to jail..



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