a reply to: makemap
Being a brit I definitely catch your sarcasm but most yank's won't or will even choose not to, though you have to admit the sarcastic responses are
mostly quite funny.
Communism, well there has been one form or other of Communism in the world since mankind first gathered into tribes, replaced with monarchy's and
eventually as the tribes grew ever larger with entrenched class system's.
To quote from a wiki page in recognizable form it goes back thousands of years.
According to Richard Pipes, the idea of a classless, egalitarian society first emerged in Ancient Greece. The 5th-century Mazdak movement in
Persia (Iran) has been described as "communistic" for challenging the enormous privileges of the noble classes and the clergy, for criticizing the
institution of private property and for striving to create an egalitarian society. At one time or another, various small communist communities
existed, generally under the inspiration of Scripture. For example, in the medieval Christian Church some monastic communities and religious
orders shared their land and their other property (see religious and Christian communism).
Early Christian community's could be said to have been very commune like in there nature, in fact the Kibbutz were an almost identical model if not
as severe as the early christian communes but this was lost in the christian world when the religion was taken over by the state and turned into a
class based religious system in which the elite ruled as a priesthood (something Jesus would very much never have approved of since more than once he
made us aware of his disdain for hypocritical priest's (Rabbi) in fine robes being lauded by the community due to there position and influence rather
than anything they had actually done.
ATHEIST communism never worked, it forced people to fit into neat administrative box's and suppressed individualism and banned private ownership
(except for the PARTY the new ruling royalty that in time would just as in NK become the new monarchy), people love freedom, freedom of expression and
the freedom to choose there own belief, there own cloth's and have there own property.
So in many way's communism was never going to be compatible with human psychology, neither by the way is pure capitalism as both are tyrannical
system's to begin with that then simply get worse over time and degenerate into very unfair society's over time.
The best way is Moderate Socialism with REGULATED Capitalism - something the neo liberal elite will never accept since they are in the process of
supplanting world government's with corporations some of which are now bigger than many nation's and are moving toward creating a global capitalist
empire - in fact they have already achieved it mostly with the bankers now more powerful than the government's and the corporations dictating
government policy's in most of the ONCE developed world as they maneuver to bypass democratic and legal systems entirely.
Now we have the rise of non elected individuals far more powerful than any nations government whom are ruling the world like tyrant's, for them the
need to accrue wealth ceased often many generations ago as many of them come from dynasty's of powerful men and family's, these modern Medici and
Borgia's are not however content until they rule the entire world, they have no empathy and no respect for democracy buying there power and
controlling even the most powerful government's in this world.
Make no mistake these are the corporeal form of the very same principality's and powers we were warned of.
Partial state ownership of at least some vital industry's and full ownership were that is not viable of those without which we can not do in times of
distress such as our steel industry, our vital infrastructure rail, roads, water and electricity as well as at least controlling right's in our fuel
production such as the north sea (all sold off thank's to extreme conservative ideology in the UK, they were mismanaged by government previous to this
but that was the problem that we should have fixed not thrown the baby out with the bathwater so some rich dick could fill his own pockets from the
proceed's of state property and they should have been run for profit to pay back into the government as these were mostly profitable industry's when
State subsidy available for struggling employers as well as tax breaks if they can show that they are a benefit to the country and employ enough
people to make it worth while to maintain there business and keep them afloat during hard time's.
Social safety net's in the form of state pension's, welfare system's, housing and health care, the welfare system can be argued to be a subsidy for
the retail industry as welfare is generally very little money and in a society that has kept on top of it's crime problems' (Especially drug's) this
money then goes full circle buying goods' from retailers, supporting job's and allowing income tax to be gathered with more security than otherwise
since those employee's are then more stable in there job's as those job's are more stable due to the indirect support this gives the retail
Argument's against (in Britain).
Our birth rate is falling so we may not be able to sustain taxation sufficiently to continue to provide state care, this is not offset by migration
as those migrant's are not all having large family's and those that do are often then claiming welfare above anything they are actually paying back in
the form of taxation.
Why is our Birth rate falling?.
A number of factor's, pollution and reduced fertility being one, woman working longer and the withdrawal of state welfare being another since this
leaves them with no safety net to fall back on and fear or not working, not being able to pay over priced property prices (due to a lack of social
housing - thank's both to the Tory's AND the Blair years), cultural changes making marriage and motherhood undesirable as the global neo liberalism
has brainwashed global society's through the media, once our school's roared with the sound of children, those same children were CARED about by the
state - it does not care about them now only about the money men - and feral youth's were almost unheard of - but back then it was also OK to give a
kid a good clip around the ear hole and if a kid dared to carry a knife or to strike a teacher the repercussions were far more stringent.
Instead of having a girl friend our young boy's think of going out and shacking up with complete strangers in night club's for a quick shag, venereal
disease is rampant and our society has literally lost it's way since it is now three generations into this wrong direction for our society's survival
and is now set to break unless we do something quickly as a nation.
Much of this also apply's to much of the rest of the so called developed world - INCLUDING the US though there is an extremely brainwashed right wing
mindset there since the success of the anti communist policy's of the past from which time it was even indoctrinated into kid's how the big bad
socialist was going to come and eat them all up - true if they were talking about old Joe he was a right nut job but that was communism not moderate
socialism and many there tend to put the two into the same barrel wrongly.
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