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Footage Shows Thousands of Religious Minorities Held in Chinese 'Thought Transformation' Camps.

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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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Not a huge fan of communism but not a huge fan of religion either. They both kinda give me the willies in exactly the same way. Kind of ironic that they're such bitter enemas.
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posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Not a huge fan of communism but not a huge fan of religion either. They both kinda give me the willies in exactly the same way. Kind of ironic that they're such bitter enemas.


People have to have free will or they'll go to what they can't have in rebellion. Look at the prohibition.

Religion isn't inherently bad, ideology inherently gets weaponized. Almost every ideology has beauty and almost all have douche bags.

And people can't see it because they only see the bad, but I bet the Muslims feel disenfranchised. They're in concentration camps abroad while their homeland is being occupied. Absolutely there are some horrible actors, but if you or I were raised in that ideology, my guess is we'd feel cornered and oppressed.... Further breeding extremism.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 08:14 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Amazing that many/most don't realize that after a certain point...extreme meets extreme, and greatly resemble each other.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Amazing that many/most don't realize that after a certain point...extreme meets extreme, and greatly resemble each other.



Often extremism justifies itself to suppress opposition. While OP makes a point far left could create "re-education" camps, I'd bet they disregard many from the inverse misusing the term treason, or calling for cops and military to kill ANTIFA rioters. Yes, rioting is bad, but we have laws that address it. And as many point out for other things, making something "more" illegal doesn't deter criminals as much as it endangers law abiding citizens.

Society in the first world is severely lacking balance, nuance, and the ability to empathize why someone thinks the way that they do.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:51 PM
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I'm probably not unique in this, but I've known survivors who were, I think abused is the right word, by extremists of left and extremists of right persuasions.

Jewish survivors of the Holocaust--those, folks, were Concentration Camps. ...and survivors of the Killing Fields in Cambodia.

Oddly enough, their scars, and nightmares, were virtually identical. All lost everything. Family. Homes. Wealth. Health.

Some, here in, should maybe take a long, slow, very close look at just what they're advocating when they spout off...

I name no names, y'all know who you are, or should.



posted on Jul, 9 2019 @ 10:53 PM
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Isn't this exactly what the loonyleft wants? I.e., the abolition of religion?



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: seagull


Oddly enough, their scars, and nightmares, were virtually identical. All lost everything. Family. Homes. Wealth. Health.


That's the important part right there. The collateral damage is usually caught picking up the pieces instead of considering the cause.

The victims then either become saints amongst men who are just thankful to be past it and alive... Or they dedicate their life towards revenge from the other side. And such is the self serving cycle of extremism. Each side needing each other so that they can justify why they're ass clowns.



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

Just a minor technicality, but the Nazi's were extreme right wing.


This false claim you keep repeating has been covered in other threads with facts. If you want to keep on making false claims respond in those threads and stop trying to derail this one.

Here is a link to one such thread.

Hitler and the Nazis were not Right-wing.

Now try to stick to this thread's topic, thanks.


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posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

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a reply to: chr0naut

Nice plagiarism... Everything you wrote, making it look like it came from you, came from this website...



...
The Nazi Party destroyed the political apparatus of the working class, broke the trade union movement, and handed the economy over to German capitalist monopolies. "Socialism" in the mind of the NSDAP involved either the SA's street fighting fantasy of a German nation recast in the image of the right wing worker; or, the NSDAP's central apparatus' conception of a pliant breeding nation. "Socialism" was for the NSDAP the forced mobilisation of the ethnic nation.
...

history.stackexchange.com...

Are you still unawares that plagiarism is against the rules?...

You just repeated a conflagrated left-wing narrative which is full of false claims... For example, the "breaking of the trade unions..." IN ALL far left-wing systems unions CREATED UNDER CAPITALISM are dismantled and instead a state ran union either replaces the old unions, or they are modified to be only state run unions... The nazis did the same thing...

As a matter of fact EVEN CHINA did the same thing...

This is how you don't "plagiarize" what other people write in other websites...


In the world workers' movement there is much confusion about China and its unions. This paper compares China to a 'union risen to state power' - a special organization of the working class - and China's labor unions as a subcommittee of this union in state power.
...

Links

Heck even wikipedia states this...


...
The ACFTU remains the country's only legally-permissible trade union. Attempts to form trade unions independent of the ACFTU have been rare and short-lived, with the Beijing Workers' Autonomous Federation formed during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests a notable example.
...

Link

If socialism or communism were ever to completely take root in the U.S. the OLD unions which were funded under capitalism would be abolished, and a state union would take their place. Or, the unions would be consolidated to only be ran by the state...

The nazis did exactly the same thing...


The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront , DAF) was the National Socialist (Nazi) trade union organisation which replaced the free and diverse Weimar Republic trade unions that Adolf Hitler outlawed on 2 May 1933, after his rise to power.
...

Link

As for racism...


December 3, 2016
An Identity Based on the CCP is Not Good for Racial Purity

...
There is a saying, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others. Whether they admit or not the CCP is as chauvinistic as the white supremists. Just as the white supremists think they are superior to all other races, the CCP also thinks that the Chinese Han race is superior to all other races,the CCP also thinks that the Chinese Han race is superior to all other races and looks down on other races as barbarians especially the Tibetans, Uyghurs and all other so called
minorities subjugated by the Han chauvinist regime. It is destroying the cultures of all other nationalities with the arrogance of a chauvinist without the slightest regard for the sensibilities of the concerned people.
...

Link


...
“As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanityas a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore, no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. The Peking Man at Zhoukoudian that we are all familiar with represents a phase of our a ..
...


Read more at:
www.indiandefencereview.com...

The Chinese government, and most Chinese who are loyal to that government ALSO believe their race is better/superior than all others... There goes your "racism only comes from the right" claim straight to the dump...

BTW, Jason Kessler the LEFT-WINGER whom formed the "unite the right" has been shown to be a left-winger who voted twice for Obama and has left-wing/socialist ideas...

I have given direct links to his website pages, and old twitter posts before the 2016 elections, demonstrating how far left-wing he is.

Jason Kessler, a Leftwing infiltrated Provocateur and what his goals are.

One of his old posts from his own website states...


...
Perhaps wed be happier if we made peace with the fact that rabid animals are going to dwindle the herd from time to time (as they have in much greater volume throughout history) & thats not really a bad thing in the long run.
...
Here's an article on the beneficial impact Genghis Khan's conquests had on the environment & sustainability, for example. There are already 7.125 BILLION people on Planet Earth. Try to extrapolate out how many people would be here now if EVERYONE had survived & had kids, which seems to be the ultimate aim of modern society... a right if you will... to defy the boundaries of nature. It'd be one hell of a dystopian nightmare that's for sure.

web.archive.org...://www.jasonkessler.net:80/blog/a-historical-perspective-on-mass-violence

Even the New Zealand murderer stated...

...
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.
...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

edit on 10-7-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt and add comment and links.

edit on Wed Jul 10 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut


Nazi Party From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Far-right politics From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nazism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Nazi Party destroyed the political apparatus of the working class, broke the trade union movement, and handed the economy over to German capitalist monopolies. "Socialism" in the mind of the NSDAP involved either the SA's street fighting fantasy of a German nation recast in the image of the right wing worker; or, the NSDAP's central apparatus' conception of a pliant breeding nation. "Socialism" was for the NSDAP the forced mobilisation of the ethnic nation.
...


a reply to: chr0naut

Nice plagiarism... Everything you wrote, making it look like it came from you, came from this website...



...
The Nazi Party destroyed the political apparatus of the working class, broke the trade union movement, and handed the economy over to German capitalist monopolies. "Socialism" in the mind of the NSDAP involved either the SA's street fighting fantasy of a German nation recast in the image of the right wing worker; or, the NSDAP's central apparatus' conception of a pliant breeding nation. "Socialism" was for the NSDAP the forced mobilisation of the ethnic nation.
...

history.stackexchange.com...

Are you still unawares that plagiarism is against the rules?...

You just repeated a conflagrated left-wing narrative which is full of false claims... For example, the "breaking of the trade unions..." IN ALL far left-wing systems unions CREATED UNDER CAPITALISM are dismantled and instead a state ran union either replaces the old unions, or they are modified to be only state run unions... The nazis did the same thing...

As a matter of fact EVEN CHINA did the same thing...

This is how you don't "plagiarize" what other people write in other websites...


In the world workers' movement there is much confusion about China and its unions. This paper compares China to a 'union risen to state power' - a special organization of the working class - and China's labor unions as a subcommittee of this union in state power.
...

Links

Heck even wikipedia states this...


...
The ACFTU remains the country's only legally-permissible trade union. Attempts to form trade unions independent of the ACFTU have been rare and short-lived, with the Beijing Workers' Autonomous Federation formed during the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests a notable example.
...

Link

If socialism or communism were ever to completely take root in the U.S. the OLD unions which were funded under capitalism would be abolished, and a state union would take their place. Or, the unions would be consolidated to only be ran by the state...

The nazis did exactly the same thing...


The German Labour Front (German: Deutsche Arbeitsfront , DAF) was the National Socialist (Nazi) trade union organisation which replaced the free and diverse Weimar Republic trade unions that Adolf Hitler outlawed on 2 May 1933, after his rise to power.
...

Link

As for racism...


December 3, 2016
An Identity Based on the CCP is Not Good for Racial Purity

...
There is a saying, people living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones at others. Whether they admit or not the CCP is as chauvinistic as the white supremists. Just as the white supremists think they are superior to all other races, the CCP also thinks that the Chinese Han race is superior to all other races,the CCP also thinks that the Chinese Han race is superior to all other races and looks down on other races as barbarians especially the Tibetans, Uyghurs and all other so called
minorities subjugated by the Han chauvinist regime. It is destroying the cultures of all other nationalities with the arrogance of a chauvinist without the slightest regard for the sensibilities of the concerned people.
...

Link


...
“As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanityas a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore, no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. The Peking Man at Zhoukoudian that we are all familiar with represents a phase of our a ..
...


Read more at:
www.indiandefencereview.com...

The Chinese government, and most Chinese who are loyal to that government ALSO believe their race is better/superior than all others... There goes your "racism only comes from the right" claim straight to the dump...

BTW, Jason Kessler the LEFT-WINGER whom formed the "unite the right" has been shown to be a left-winger who voted twice for Obama and has left-wing/socialist ideas...

I have given direct links to his website pages, and old twitter posts before the 2016 elections, demonstrating how far left-wing he is.

Jason Kessler, a Leftwing infiltrated Provocateur and what his goals are.

One of his old posts from his own website states...


...
Perhaps wed be happier if we made peace with the fact that rabid animals are going to dwindle the herd from time to time (as they have in much greater volume throughout history) & thats not really a bad thing in the long run.
...
Here's an article on the beneficial impact Genghis Khan's conquests had on the environment & sustainability, for example. There are already 7.125 BILLION people on Planet Earth. Try to extrapolate out how many people would be here now if EVERYONE had survived & had kids, which seems to be the ultimate aim of modern society... a right if you will... to defy the boundaries of nature. It'd be one hell of a dystopian nightmare that's for sure.

web.archive.org...://www.jasonkessler.net:80/blog/a-historical-perspective-on-mass-violence

Even the New Zealand murderer stated...

...
The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the Peoples Republic of China.
...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


If you can't tell left from right, it is wisest to avoid busy roads.




posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

If you can't tell left from right, it is wisest to avoid busy roads.






posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut




...


a reply to: chr0naut

Nice plagiarism... Everything you wrote, making it look like it came from you, came from this website...


That is untrue. There were only two paragraphs that were copied (out of 9 in total). The majority of what I posted was original, but it doesn't matter now because you complained to a mod, who didn't check the factuality of what you accused me of and has now deleted the entire post.

None the less, your avatar is called "Electric Universe". So much for credibility. Perhaps the world is flat, too?




posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: chr0naut

If you can't tell left from right, it is wisest to avoid busy roads.






Right wingers, with their penchant for following the law ad absurdum, would be permanently trapped by these two signs.




posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Nope, you plagiarized over half of what you wrote. Writing several one liners don't equal to each one liner being a sentence. You didn't give credit from where your claims came from. Anything written by others you have to acknowledge they are "quotes from someone else." But you wrote it like it was you who came up with all those claims. That's plagiarism.

Not to mention the fact that I proved your claims are false. Every far left-wing regime/dictatorship either dismantled the old unions made before socialism/communism take over, or they are centralized and completely controlled by the state. Your claim is that only the nazis did that, which is false. Racism also has nothing to do with the GOP/Republican party, since the GOP main reason for being funded was to fight racism. Most of the right are not racist.

If it wasn't for the "open border, globalism, plus anti-sovereignty" that now plagues the DNC the national socialists would all lean to either the DNC, or the most socialist candidates.

One more thing, your "claims" without facts don't prove crap. Learn to make a convincing point by writing facts, which were not present AT ALL in your claims.






edit on 10-7-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: chr0naut

Nope, you plagiarized over half of what you wrote. Writing several one liners don't equal to each one liner being a sentence. You didn't give credit from where your claims came from. Anything written by others you have to acknowledge they are "quotes from someone else." But you wrote it like it was you who came up with all those claims. That's plagiarism.

Not to mention the fact that I proved your claims are false. Every far left-wing regime/dictatorship either dismantled the old unions made before socialism/communism take over, or they are centralized and completely controlled by the state. Your claim is that only the nazis did that, which is false. Racism also has nothing to do with the GOP/Republican party, since the GOP main reason for being funded was to fight racism. Most of the right are not racist.

If it wasn't for the "open border, globalism, plus anti-sovereignty" that now plagues the DNC the national socialists would all lean to either the DNC, or the most socialist candidates.

One more thing, your "signs" don't prove crap. Learn to make a convincing point by writing facts, which were not present AT ALL in your claims.


All 26 letters of the English alphabet, and all other dictionary words have been used before. So neither of us are particularly original.




posted on Jul, 10 2019 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

All 26 letters of the English alphabet, and all other dictionary words have been used before. So neither of us are particularly original.




Nice try, but no. BTW, do you have anything to say about this re-education camp in China?

One more thing, whom in the U.S. and around the world, are calling for "re-education camps"?... Which group has been working to shut down freedom of speech based on political ideology? Which group has been de-monetizing and calling for a ban on websites which lean to the right?





edit on 10-7-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Jul, 11 2019 @ 12:26 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: chr0naut

Nope, you plagiarized over half of what you wrote. Writing several one liners don't equal to each one liner being a sentence. You didn't give credit from where your claims came from. Anything written by others you have to acknowledge they are "quotes from someone else." But you wrote it like it was you who came up with all those claims.


I never claimed to have invented Nazism, or the idea that the Nazi's were extreme right wing. If you believed I did, that is your own personal delusion and i fully reject it.


That's plagiarism.

Not to mention the fact that I proved your claims are false. Every far left-wing regime/dictatorship either dismantled the old unions made before socialism/communism take over, or they are centralized and completely controlled by the state.


Trade Unions are an attempt to socialize and democratize workplaces under capitalism. They are leftist organizations by definition.

When the state is a larger "workers union", as under Communism, it incorporates other unions into itself.


Your claim is that only the nazis did that, which is false.


I never claimed "that ONLY the Nazi's did that" (emphasis mine, but I did quote you). That's another thing YOU made up.


Racism also has nothing to do with the GOP/Republican party, since the GOP main reason for being funded was to fight racism. Most of the right are not racist.


How the Republican Party Became The Party of Racism - The Root


If it wasn't for the "open border, globalism, plus anti-sovereignty" that now plagues the DNC the national socialists would all lean to either the DNC, or the most socialist candidates.

One more thing, your "signs" don't prove crap. Learn to make a convincing point by writing facts, which were not present AT ALL in your claims.


The 'signs' graphic was supplied by xuenchen, not me. So speak to them about it.

You cannot both suggest that I was plagiarizing other sources of facts, and also suggest that I wasn't presenting any facts. The ideas are mutually exclusive.

Because you could not refute or address the the actual facts themselves, you chose to attack my presentation of them. Well, yup, you got me, I didn't make them up.



edit on 11/7/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2019 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut

All 26 letters of the English alphabet, and all other dictionary words have been used before. So neither of us are particularly original.




Nice try, but no. BTW, do you have anything to say about this re-education camp in China?


It is horrific that a country would do the 1984 mind prison thing.


One more thing, whom in the U.S. and around the world, are calling for "re-education camps"?... Which group has been working to shut down freedom of speech based on political ideology? Which group has been de-monetizing and calling for a ban on websites which lean to the right?


The Nazi's set up camps for the rehabilitation and re-education of the Poles. These were specifically for academics and the assumed intelligentsia of Polish society.

LEAKED U.S. ARMY DOCUMENT OUTLINES PLAN FOR RE-EDUCATION CAMPS IN AMERICA - Infowars

Army manual for re-education camps applies to US citizens - RT.com

Call immigrant detention centers what they really are: concentration camps - LA Times

Did President Trump Order the Building of ‘Concentration Camps’? - Snopes

America Is Building Detention Camps for Immigrant Families in 2018 - Immigration Impact

Detention by the numbers Where are people detained in the United States? - Freedom for Immigrants

The Shame of America’s Family Detention Camps - The New York Times Magazine

Immigration detention in the United States From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What I Saw at the Dilley, Texas, Immigrant Detention Center - The Nation

22 immigrants died in ICE detention centers during the past 2 years - NBC News

How to Protest Human Rights Abuses at U.S. Detention Centers - Lifehacker

Concentration Camp Expert Doubles Down: ‘Same Thing’ Happening At Southern Border - Huffpost

Trump expands network of immigrant concentration camps - World Socialist Web Site

AOC Is Right — They’re Concentration Camps - Jacobin

America's 'Detention Centers' Added to Wikipedia List of Concentration Camps [Updated] - Gizmodo

List of concentration and internment camps, United States of America From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What do you think?



posted on Jul, 11 2019 @ 07:45 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

I never claimed to have invented Nazism, or the idea that the Nazi's were extreme right wing. If you believed I did, that is your own personal delusion and i fully reject it.


What in the world?... Is that what i wrote?... Please learn to understand what people say instead of making up claims people wrote things they never did... The point is, you plagiarized something making it look like YOU were the one who came up with THAT PARTICULAR ARGUMENT. Nowhere in my statements did I say, or claim that you invented the notion that the nazis were right-wing, which is false as their ideologies are SOCIALIST...


originally posted by: chr0naut
Trade Unions are an attempt to socialize and democratize workplaces under capitalism. They are leftist organizations by definition.

That must be why membership in unions are at an all time low... One of the differences is that in nations like the U.S. the state does not own and control all unions, while in socialism and communism they are either all controlled by the state, or they are made to be owned and controlled by the state. Just like the nazis, the CCP, the communists in Cuba, North Korea, the U.S.S.R. etc have all done, or do to this day like Venezuela.

When the state is a larger "workers union", as under Communism, it incorporates other unions into itself.


Your claim is that only the nazis did that, which is false.




How the Republican Party Became The Party of Racism - The Root

Riight, because a far left-wing website claims it, it must be so huh?...



originally posted by: chr0naut
You cannot both suggest that I was plagiarizing other sources of facts, and also suggest that I wasn't presenting any facts. The ideas are mutually exclusive.


When you are presenting a plagiarized content as part of your argument you are in fact claiming that plagiarized content is true...


originally posted by: chr0naut
Because you could not refute or address the the actual facts themselves, you chose to attack my presentation of them. Well, yup, you got me, I didn't make them up.




I actually did refute your claims. You are just too blind to notice with your anti-Trump rethoric. What's more, I would be willing to bet that you are yet another "WHITE LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE/SOCIALIST" since 74% of people from your own country are "white Europeans."



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