Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors: Sources

originally posted by: St Udio


Well... with Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors...
that puts the kibosh on the easy-money venue that a lot of male & female youngsters found to be a suitable escape from the Far Worse situations they had at broken homes or Abusive Adults that Lorded over the young adults/ teeny-boppers in their dysfunctional Family dynamic...


be they 11-12 or teenagers under 16-18 years old, i'm sure that the 'victims' were not really 'helpless victims' that were forceably made to perform/act against their will.... perhaps there was some leveraging--but outright sex-slave bondage was no the way things are done with the Elites whom frequented the 'Island of Depravity-Lusts"

the underage youngsters might be a tad unbalanced emotionally, but they aren't Dupes that were systematically raped or abused like over in places like Bangkok or liberal Copenhagen, or lawless mid east nations...
porn gone bonkers... the thread needs to get some posts that give some balance to the issue

Would you mind proof-reading what you wrote and clarifying what the hell it is you're trying to communicate here? The most I can gather from that is that you're questioning if minors are actually victims in this situation while also eluding that you have some knowledge of what actually goes on behind closed doors of the Elite kid-touchers.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Re: Hawking

Probably not a bad plan to avoid the island being a 24/7 underage sex bash. Hold some legitimate functions from time to time so reputable people can say they've been and it was just a regular old place.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I'm American, and British.

I want them ALL to fry.

All of them.

And they will do.

I haven't posted here for years. For some reason I surfed on in JUST as this news broke (Epstein arrested) and saw it here before it appeared anywhere else. Started digging for info, and there's no way I can catch up with 18+ 300+ page threads! However the theory that Trump (sexist jerk that he is) may well ultimately have a 'good' heart and be doing what he can to bring evil to justice is a decent one as far as I am concerned. There is nothing that upsets me more than the abuse (physical/emotional/sexual) of children. May ALL those in positions of financial and political power who have a) been directly involved or b) turned a blind eye - to all of this evil burn forever.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

Trump flew on Epstein's plane once, but he has never been to Epstein's island as far as we know. He also banned Epstein from Mar a Lago after an "incident" between Epstein and of the employees.

Bill Clinton flew with Epstein
repeatedly. And on at least 5 occasions he ditched his Secret Service detail before leaving...



The one that really mystifies me is Stephen Hawking's visit to Epstein's island. The guy was a paraplegic! (Unless the old conspiracy theory is true, and the real Stephen Hawking has been dead for 30 years now.)

I'm sure the island is a paradise. It's most likely a lot like Thailand where you can have great "clean" fun, BUT if you want the darker side of it all you can find all of that too. I would bet the majority that went to "THE" island were mostly conducting legal activities.

originally posted by: Liquesence
Trump has admitted, and boasted about, walking into the dressing room of minors while they dressed.

Liar much?

Trump has been accused of multiple sexual assaults,

Goes with the territory in the #metoo charade/age.

as well as rape of an underage girl (or two).

Hadn't heard that one... linky please?

Trump is knee deep in this morass as much as anyone and has been for a while.

Sucks to be you (and wrong all the time), huh?

And since he's friends with Mr. Epstein....lol

Lol is right... one billionaire to another, yeah, he knew him, and maybe even socialized with him to an extent.

But that doesn't make them 'friends' in the sense that you and I think of.

originally posted by: illimey

I'm American, and British.

I want them ALL to fry.

All of them.

And they will do.

I think AugustusMasonicus was talking about that many of biggest complainers of Trump on ATS are actually not American...lol

originally posted by: Tempter
For the record, I would like to know Trump's explanation for hanging out with this sicko.

He's not beyond reproach. This needs to be addressed.

You phuk kids, you pay dearly. This HAS to be an underlying morality of our culture.

I would sacrifice MAGA for it.

As would I, but you have it wrong...

He didn't 'hang out' with him. He knew him. Wow, two billionairs in NYC knew each other? What a phuking surprise!

There is exactly ZERO evidence Trump had anything to do with him outside basic socializing.

But yeah, if Trump is/was guilty of pedo, then he goes down in flames.

good thing we don't need to worry about that, since he isn't...

a reply to: tanstaafl

It's sad. All it takes for some people to believe the worst about people is a picture of them with a bad person. Ever seen that picture of stalin with churchill?? These mental midgets would be saying churchill is an evil communist dictator if they were transported back in time.

originally posted by: Drucifer

Would you mind proof-reading what you wrote and clarifying what the hell it is you're trying to communicate here? The most I can gather from that is that you're questioning if minors are actually victims in this situation while also eluding that you have some knowledge of what actually goes on behind closed doors of the Elite kid-touchers.

I think he is saying that big money talks and maybe everyone was basically there voluntarily making that big money, but I guess we will need to see what victims say, whether they were paid to go or shanghaied. Doesn't really matter as either way was illegal...

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: BlueJacket
Trump flew on Epstein's plane once, but he has never been to Epstein's island as far as we know. He also banned Epstein from Mar a Lago after an "incident" between Epstein and of the employees.

Bill Clinton flew with Epstein
repeatedly. And on at least 5 occasions he ditched his Secret Service detail before leaving...



The one that really mystifies me is Stephen Hawking's visit to Epstein's island. The guy was a paraplegic! (Unless the old conspiracy theory is true, and the real Stephen Hawking has been dead for 30 years now.)

Trump didn't fly on the 727 'Lolita Express' (Deposition of Mark Epstein)...Trump hitched a ride back to NY on Epstein's smaller jet when his was being serviced...no girls present, only Mark and Jeffrey Epstein and "Donald" (Mark Epstein deposition).

Bill Clinton travelled all over the world with Epstein on Lolita ONE...as many as 28 times.


As for Hawking...Epstein funds various scientific researchers...among them Stephen Hawking.

While I agree that there is a big difference between being a frequent flier on someone's private jet and just hitching a ride once, in this particular case, anyone that knew of Epstein's sick behavior should have done everything they could have to make it public. It seems people knew, including Trump, what Epstein was into.

If a known kid-toucher lived up the street from any of you and you knew he were still touching kids, would you allow him to live there, or would you do whatever you could to publicly out the guy until he couldn't take it anymore and moved to a cabin in the woods, away from the civilized wold?

I'm not an anti-Trumper as much as others are, nor do I know the timeline of when Trump hitched that ride and when Trump kicked him out of Mar-A-Largo, but fact is, Trump said he is a "terrific guy" at one point in his life and distanced himself from him at another. That's not enough. Anyone, from either side of the aisle, who knew what was going on and didn't say a word to stop it bears some guilt in that situation. I'm not saying Trump is MORE guilty than the others who knew, but equally.

"Playing ball" ends with crap like that. I don't care what business you're in or how powerful the people are you're rubbing shoulders with. If people are raping kids and you know about it, you put them on blast until they aren't raping kids anymore.

I hope all involved go down with this and some kind of record is brought to light on who knew it was going on, because as far as I'm concerned, those who knew cannot be trusted to do the right thing.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: illimey

I'm American, and British.

I want them ALL to fry.

All of them.

And they will do.

I think AugustusMasonicus was talking about that many of biggest complainers of Trump on ATS are actually not American...lol

Right - I got that. I may not be making much sense at the moment as I am a) battling some weird neurological disorder on top of my heart failure, and b) drinking vodka and coke at 1150AM.

Question for y'all: Is Trump REALLY an outsider? Is that something that everyone (regardless of political affiliation) believes? Maybe this isn't the right thread for that question - not trying to derail anything so feel free to ignore me

originally posted by: St Udio


Well... with Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors...
that puts the kibosh on the easy-money venue that a lot of male & female youngsters found to be a suitable escape from the Far Worse situations they had at broken homes or Abusive Adults that Lorded over the young adults/ teeny-boppers in their dysfunctional Family dynamic...

"Suitable escape"? Not desperate... coerced... tricked... exploited... extorted... abused... but a SUITABLE escape.

You sound disappointed. And very creepy. And, no, I don't believe for a New York minute that you are sad for these poor kids losing out on some much needed "opportunity" to improve their lives. Nope. I don't believe that at all. Sounds more like you're disappointed at the opportunity creepy creepers lost to further abuse and exploit and extort these kids.

be they 11-12 or teenagers under 16-18 years old, i'm sure that the 'victims' were not really 'helpless victims' that were forceably made to perform/act against their will.... perhaps there was some leveraging--but outright sex-slave bondage was no the way things are done with the Elites whom frequented the 'Island of Depravity-Lusts"

Now you're an expert on how the Elites conduct their creepy creeper crimes? Interesting... But they're not really "crimes" right? Because they're not really "victims," right? RIGHT???

Or maybe you just have an over-active imagination as you ponder these things, and have mistaken your fantasies musings for fact.

the underage youngsters might be a tad unbalanced emotionally, but they aren't Dupes that were systematically raped or abused like over in places like Bangkok or liberal Copenhagen, or lawless mid east nations...
porn gone bonkers...

Um hum. And how exactly do you know this? Were you there? Are you speaking from personal experience?

The prosecutors say otherwise. That these VICTIMS (note: no damn quotation marks!) were coerced and forced into acts other than what they were told and agreed to.

...the thread needs to get some posts that give some balance to the issue

Bring it. Enlighten us all. What is the balance here??? At what point is a grown ass man preying on young girls an issue for you? Or is it never an issue? Or is it only an issue if you can blame the young girls? Are those girls supposed to have more control and self-discipline than a grown man? Was poor little Jeff overwhelmed and overpowered by their irresistible charms and seduction?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

Trump didn't fly on the 727 'Lolita Express' (Deposition of Mark Epstein)...Trump hitched a ride back to NY on Epstein's smaller jet when his was being serviced...no girls present, only Mark and Jeffrey Epstein and "Donald" (Mark Epstein deposition).

Bill Clinton travelled all over the world with Epstein on Lolita ONE...as many as 28 times

As for Hawking...Epstein funds various scientific researchers...among them Stephen Hawking.

People just need to Google "Weinstein" and see the endless pages of Celebs, politicians etc. all snuggie with him if we are going down the road that anyone within 10 feet of him is connected to somehow link Trump to all this. The funny part is no one is denying Bill Clinton's rather lengthy connection, maybe decades...very quite about all that...go figure.

a reply to: Drucifer

He said he was a terrific guy in 2002. Epstein wasn't charged with any crimes until 2005. Trump also says "he's a terrific guy" about most people. Especially ones he doesn't know well. Why do you think trump knew about epstein being a pedo? I mean, why would he approve his membership at mar-a-lago only to revoke it on those grounds later?

The timeline is important because relationships evolve over time.

In 2009 the "only person" to help the prosecution try to nail epstein was trump (according to the prosecutor). chew on that for a while.


Go to 5:00 for the part about trump if you only want to see that part.

originally posted by: illimey

Question for y'all: Is Trump REALLY an outsider? Is that something that everyone (regardless of political affiliation) believes? Maybe this isn't the right thread for that question - not trying to derail anything so feel free to ignore me

He is a political outsider since he really is not a politician and really not a professional life long politician as we seem to see all the time. He really doesn't watch very closely what he says because he isn't trying to maintain a political career for decades. He also seems to act on everything he says he wants to do, and that is strange to the political world that says much, but offers little in the end.

a reply to: Grambler

Yes. And thank you.

a reply to: carewemust

Same answer. I wouldn't know.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: illimey

Question for y'all: Is Trump REALLY an outsider? Is that something that everyone (regardless of political affiliation) believes? Maybe this isn't the right thread for that question - not trying to derail anything so feel free to ignore me

He is a political outsider since he really is not a politician and really not a professional life long politician as we seem to see all the time. He really doesn't watch very closely what he says because he isn't trying to maintain a political career for decades. He also seems to act on everything he says he wants to do, and that is strange to the political world that says much, but offers little in the end.

This is my assessment, but I'm so far removed from really knowing anything about this 'world' personally that I have no idea if I'm close to the truth or not.

Here's the thing: I know that I am basically horrified by evil, yet I still sometimes display behaviors and thoughts that would suggest otherwise. I think all humans are the same, apart from the ones who are truly sold out to evil and depravity and utter selfishness. I think Trump falls into the former category, and he's genuinely trying to 'drain the swamp' of 'people' who fall (hopefully eternally) into the second category. Ultimately I believe that this is a spiritual battle.... my Christian faith pretty neatly explains it all. I want all this to come to a conclusion. Enough already. Clinton(s) et all need to face the ultimate Judge.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Drucifer

Why do you think trump knew about epstein being a pedo? I mean, why would he approve his membership at mar-a-lago only to revoke it on those grounds later?

One correction: Epstein was never a "member" at Mar-a-Lago...He was a frequent 'guest' of another member.