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Why Haven't Leftists Demanded Democrats Change Their Party's Racist Name?

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posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: blueman12

Another one who deflects because he can't answer a simple question.

Why do democrats call American flags, Confederate flags, KKK, Jim Crow, the Betsy Ross flag, etc all racist when every bit of it was founded by the democrat party? Are you aware that democrats were the ones opposed to integration and civil rights in the 60's?

So again, why are these things racist, but not the party who was behind it all?


Are you aware that the Republicans have now "taken up the torch" and, these days, stand for the very things that were the worst of what some Democrats got involved in back in history?


That's really not true. It's just what MSM wants you to think. The mantra of the right (Republicans and others) is for people to have equal access to opportunity under the rule of law and defined by the constitution. That means no distinction to race or religion. Come to our country as defined by law, get a bit of help at the local level if you need it and work as hard as you can to achieve as much as you want.

it doesn't get any simpler.


It does get simpler.

You have poverty and are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth.

Services that other, even third world nations, provide for their citizens, things like universal health care and free education for all, are not available to you.

Your entire country is built upon the acquisition of wealth over any other thing. US citizens are dying, in significant numbers, of preventable things, simply because the cannot afford the cures (or the insurance).

Americans are not doing much about its problems because you think you are the best and you keep blaming 'the other party'.


1) The US has a public school system. Free education for all k-12. College isn't free. Show me a country with free college for ALL. The operative word is ALL. In many countries, only a select few can go to college even if it is free. Students are tracked. In the US, if you can pay or get scholarships, you can go.


7 countries where college is free - Salon.com


2) Universal healthcare isn't as straight forward for any number of reasons. First off, the US is almost 350 million people.


So, you have never heard of 'economies of scale'. This is not a very well reasoned argument.


Second, we also have a huge amount of poor immigrants. Many countries that have universal healthcare don't have nearly the amount of immigrants.


And some do, like the UK.


3) We pay for your security. IF the US stops being the world's police, then maybe we could afford things like Universal Healthcare.


The US does not make other countries more secure or peaceful. In the modern era, there is no other more warlike country than the US.

Similarly, the US has set up regimes like Saddam Hussain's and was behind the rise to power if Osama Bin Laden, to name just a few of many.

I would go as far as saying that the US only protects its own interests. When there are major issues in 3rd world nations the US isn't there but if someone threatens the US's supplies of oil, damn fast, they are 'saving the world'.


But then we'd see how much other countries could afford once they are responsible for their own defense. 4). The US has the best outcomes. Sure, we may not offer free checkups, but if the SHTF medically and you are trying to survive cancer or something else major, the US is where you want to be.


Really? Check this out:

World Health Organization’s Ranking of the World’s Health Systems

... or this:

The Top 25 Countries With The Best Healthcare Systems The World In 2017


3) What data/facts do you have about US citizens dying of preventable things. The biggest issue the US has is obesity. This country is so bountiful that the biggest health problem poor people have is being fat asses.


Up to 40 percent of annual deaths from each of five leading US causes are preventable - CDC


The poor in the US live better than the middle/upper classes in most countries. Running water, plumbing, electricity, TVs, phones, cars, clothing, refrigeration, housing.


Umm, pretty much the rest of the world, even in the poorest countries, has all of these things and they usually aren't as expensive as they are in the US.


While maybe not as nice as say someone who is wealthier, the poor literally have every modern amenity available. There are no favelas in the US. Our kids don't walk around naked and barefoot with distended bellies. Even the crappiest ghettos.


No they don't call them favelas in the US, as you noted, they call them ghetto's.

Most Ghetto Cities In the U.S. - The Top Tens

Child poverty in the U.S. - Children International.org




posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: blueman12

Another one who deflects because he can't answer a simple question.

Why do democrats call American flags, Confederate flags, KKK, Jim Crow, the Betsy Ross flag, etc all racist when every bit of it was founded by the democrat party? Are you aware that democrats were the ones opposed to integration and civil rights in the 60's?

So again, why are these things racist, but not the party who was behind it all?


Are you aware that the Republicans have now "taken up the torch" and, these days, stand for the very things that were the worst of what some Democrats got involved in back in history?


That's really not true. It's just what MSM wants you to think. The mantra of the right (Republicans and others) is for people to have equal access to opportunity under the rule of law and defined by the constitution. That means no distinction to race or religion. Come to our country as defined by law, get a bit of help at the local level if you need it and work as hard as you can to achieve as much as you want.

it doesn't get any simpler.


It does get simpler.

You have poverty and are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth.



Actually, we should check on the states in America and where they stand.

Let's take California... a Progressive paradise that holds many of the same values as you do.

It has....

The greatest wealth disparity of any state in the USA.

1/3 of America's welfare recipients live in California.

1/5 of America's homeless live in California.

It had one of the biggest economies IN America and was one of the top 10 on the planet not too long ago, but an infestation of Progressive leftist ideas has sunk that and now they operate in the red.

Now it has some of the highest taxes in America.

It has cities that are too expensive for a normal person to live in that have to put out interactive maps to show their citizens where the poop and drug needles are on the streets.

If we take that state as a roadmap it tells us exactly what would happen if we implement the policies you are talking about.

All the things that Progressives say they can and will fix, if only we allow their policies.

No thanks.




And you seem to have forgotten that many of these schemes you describe as 'progressive' happened under a Republican Presidency such as both Bush's, Reagan, Ford and even Nixon (yeah, he was a Republican).

Your view is an entirely skewed result of listening to propaganda which ignores half of what happened.

edit on 7/7/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: continuousThunder
you guys are.... uhhh you guys are aware that the democrats are not leftist, right?
like maybe a while ago but that it's now more like the central-right neoliberal hellparty, and that real leftists are aware of this and view the democrats with more suspicion and despair than any of you broad-stroking haters?

come on guys, you all come on like these are your enemies, what happened to KNOWING your enemy? or are you all so lazy and intellectually dishonest that stereotyped pastiche of the wrong people is the very best you can muster? sad.


Extremists can't see any middle ground. For them, the world is one extreme or another.



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: blueman12

Another one who deflects because he can't answer a simple question.

Why do democrats call American flags, Confederate flags, KKK, Jim Crow, the Betsy Ross flag, etc all racist when every bit of it was founded by the democrat party? Are you aware that democrats were the ones opposed to integration and civil rights in the 60's?

So again, why are these things racist, but not the party who was behind it all?


Are you aware that the Republicans have now "taken up the torch" and, these days, stand for the very things that were the worst of what some Democrats got involved in back in history?



Are you aware of what the word "projection" means?



And what do you mean by back in history?

Last prominent Democratic KKK member was Senator Byrd who died in 2010.

Fast friends with Joe Biden.

Ancient history, right?


What about David Duke, who ran as a Republican candidate for Louisiana in the US senate in 2016. Also a KKK Grand Wizard? He also endorsed Trump saying: "I'm overjoyed to see Donald Trump and most Americans embrace most of the issues that I've championed for years."

Some even less 'ancient' history for you.


And so David Duke is literally Trump now?

Just LOL.

The Communist Party of America supports Obama.

I wasn't aware that the Communist Party of America won the election in 2008.

/facepalm



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: blueman12

Another one who deflects because he can't answer a simple question.

Why do democrats call American flags, Confederate flags, KKK, Jim Crow, the Betsy Ross flag, etc all racist when every bit of it was founded by the democrat party? Are you aware that democrats were the ones opposed to integration and civil rights in the 60's?

So again, why are these things racist, but not the party who was behind it all?


Are you aware that the Republicans have now "taken up the torch" and, these days, stand for the very things that were the worst of what some Democrats got involved in back in history?


That's really not true. It's just what MSM wants you to think. The mantra of the right (Republicans and others) is for people to have equal access to opportunity under the rule of law and defined by the constitution. That means no distinction to race or religion. Come to our country as defined by law, get a bit of help at the local level if you need it and work as hard as you can to achieve as much as you want.

it doesn't get any simpler.


It does get simpler.

You have poverty and are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth.



Actually, we should check on the states in America and where they stand.

Let's take California... a Progressive paradise that holds many of the same values as you do.

It has....

The greatest wealth disparity of any state in the USA.

1/3 of America's welfare recipients live in California.

1/5 of America's homeless live in California.

It had one of the biggest economies IN America and was one of the top 10 on the planet not too long ago, but an infestation of Progressive leftist ideas has sunk that and now they operate in the red.

Now it has some of the highest taxes in America.

It has cities that are too expensive for a normal person to live in that have to put out interactive maps to show their citizens where the poop and drug needles are on the streets.

If we take that state as a roadmap it tells us exactly what would happen if we implement the policies you are talking about.

All the things that Progressives say they can and will fix, if only we allow their policies.

No thanks.




And you seem to have forgotten that many of these schemes you describe as 'progressive' happened under a Republican Presidency such as both Bush's, Reagan, Ford and even Nixon (yeah, he was a Republican).

Your view is an entirely skewed result of listening to propaganda which ignores half of what happened.


You seem to think that there are two political ideologies in America.

There are three.

Liberal, Conservative, Progressive.

The D and the R after their names don't actually matter...

It's their policies that tell you what they are.

For instance, Bush was a Progressive... ran as a Republican, was fine with deficit spending, totally enlarged the power of the government, the bigger the government the better for him.

Republican does not equal Conservative.

His Daddy was the same.

Obama was a straight up Progressive.

Democrat does not equal Liberal.

Don't feel bad that you don't understand it... some Americans have the same problem.

So eat a kiwi, go shear a sheep and take the time to look up the Progressive ideology in America.

You might learn something.


edit on 7-7-2019 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LogicalGraphitti

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: blueman12

Another one who deflects because he can't answer a simple question.

Why do democrats call American flags, Confederate flags, KKK, Jim Crow, the Betsy Ross flag, etc all racist when every bit of it was founded by the democrat party? Are you aware that democrats were the ones opposed to integration and civil rights in the 60's?

So again, why are these things racist, but not the party who was behind it all?


Are you aware that the Republicans have now "taken up the torch" and, these days, stand for the very things that were the worst of what some Democrats got involved in back in history?


That's really not true. It's just what MSM wants you to think. The mantra of the right (Republicans and others) is for people to have equal access to opportunity under the rule of law and defined by the constitution. That means no distinction to race or religion. Come to our country as defined by law, get a bit of help at the local level if you need it and work as hard as you can to achieve as much as you want.

it doesn't get any simpler.


It does get simpler.

You have poverty and are one of the wealthiest nations on Earth.



Actually, we should check on the states in America and where they stand.

Let's take California... a Progressive paradise that holds many of the same values as you do.

It has....

The greatest wealth disparity of any state in the USA.

1/3 of America's welfare recipients live in California.

1/5 of America's homeless live in California.

It had one of the biggest economies IN America and was one of the top 10 on the planet not too long ago, but an infestation of Progressive leftist ideas has sunk that and now they operate in the red.

Now it has some of the highest taxes in America.

It has cities that are too expensive for a normal person to live in that have to put out interactive maps to show their citizens where the poop and drug needles are on the streets.

If we take that state as a roadmap it tells us exactly what would happen if we implement the policies you are talking about.

All the things that Progressives say they can and will fix, if only we allow their policies.

No thanks.




And you seem to have forgotten that many of these schemes you describe as 'progressive' happened under a Republican Presidency such as both Bush's, Reagan, Ford and even Nixon (yeah, he was a Republican).

Your view is an entirely skewed result of listening to propaganda which ignores half of what happened.


You seem to think that there are two political ideologies in America.

There are three.

Liberal, Conservative, Progressive.

The D and the R after their names don't actually matter...

It's their policies that tell you what they are.

For instance, Bush was a Progressive... ran as a Republican, was fine with deficit spending, totally enlarged the power of the government, the bigger the government the better for him.

Republican does not equal Conservative.

His Daddy was the same.

Obama was a straight up Progressive.

Democrat does not equal Liberal.

Don't feel bad that you don't understand it... some Americans have the same problem.

So eat a kiwi, go shear a sheep and take the time to look up the Progressive ideology in America.

You might learn something.




This is a perfect example of you speaking on behalf of opposing political ideologies, of which you know little but what is bounced around the echo-chamber of your political preference.

There are more than three political ideologies in the US. The Ten Ideologies of America: As Donald Trump Overthrows the Old Order, a Look at the New - Breitbart

You cannot expect us to pay you any credence of speaking for the Democrats, or ideologies other than your own.

Telling us all, in post after post, that the Democrats believe this or that is a bit rich coming from someone who is not actually kept informed about policy.

And before you say to yourself, 'but I read it on a news site', remember that they are also 'outside the camp'. Particularly the right wing, opinion only 24x7 'news' sources, like Fox.

Hint, none of the Democratic Party platform is particularly secret. They happily publish it here.

When you see some outrageous claim about them online, it might be worth checking to see if it is actually the truth and not just a right wing opinion about what the Democrats think.

edit on 7/7/2019 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 10:58 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Ah yes... I'm the right wing fanatic that voted for Obama.

So again, take the time to read about Progressive ideology in America.

Yes, there are plenty of ideologies here, but only 3 that actually count.

Not that it actually matters in your case.

Because at the end of the day, you are from New Zealand.

You can't vote here, so you don't count.

That's gotta chap your ass on a daily basis...

Perhaps you can wander on through our southern border so you can vote Democrat early and vote often.




edit on 7-7-2019 by Lumenari because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2019 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Lumenari
a reply to: chr0naut

Ah yes... I'm the right wing fanatic that voted for Obama.

So again, take the time to read about Progressive ideology in America.

Yes, there are plenty of ideologies here, but only 3 that actually count.

Not that it actually matters in your case.

Because at the end of the day, you are from New Zealand.

You can't vote here, so you don't count.

That's gotta chap your ass on a daily basis...

Perhaps you can wander on through our southern border so you can vote Democrat early and vote often.




I wouldn't be allowed to vote:

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



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