What does no record of Bob Lazar at Caltech or MIT mean with regards to his story

I don't think any records were wiped by "The Government."

What I think is that he lied. Not about Area 51, but about his educational background. I think he lied in the beginning to get the initial job at Los Alamos. For whatever reason he won't admit that and it only came into light after the Area 51 / S4 stories.

a reply to: Jabronie

Makes no sense for him to have maintained that lie, under oath, in court, when the judge was having trouble finding any records on him at all.

If he was lying, coming clean on that would've been way better for him in his court case, as he was almost facing alot of time.

Another thing is, people don't realize... And Bob has said this hundreds of times. This story, these interviews, this whole experience has done nothing but hurt him his whole life. Of he were lying for some benefit it'd make sense, but all he gets from it is a small band of believers and tons of ridicule and unwanted government attention.

People forget Lazar's story hasn't changed in 30 years. It is rock-solid every time. That is honesty.

Bob Lazar lied about his education. No professor at Cal-tech or MIT remember him, no classmates remember him, hes not in any year book or pictures while at Cal-tech or MIT. Until he comes clean about those lies, it's hard to believe other claims he makes.

Bob Lazar is not doing himself any favors being associated Jeremy Corbell. Want to see the type of person Jeremy Corbell is, watch this video. www.youtube.com...

a reply to: dfnj2015


I seem to remember that there was no evidence of anything in his story being true, until somebody found a paper copy of his tax/pay records that showed that he had been part of a security cleared science team in a big name laboratory. Just like he claimed.


Didn't Stanton Friedman confirm some of his past as being true by talking to people, demonstrating that the records has been faked or withheld.

a reply to: Echo007


If your gonna lie, wouldn't you male the lie plausible or hard to disprove?

It seems stupid to male something up that can be debunked so easily.

originally posted by: Jabronie
I don't think any records were wiped by "The Government."

What I think is that he lied. Not about Area 51, but about his educational background. I think he lied in the beginning to get the initial job at Los Alamos. For whatever reason he won't admit that and it only came into light after the Area 51 / S4 stories.

Surely los Alamos would have done a background check on him?

The problem with Bob's story is that the mundane and "normal" parts of his story have been proven to be lies, he has never had a single person back up his claims of studying at Caltech or MIT, not a single piece of evidence to show that the mundane parts of his story are true so how are you meant to believe the fantastical parts if we can't prove and believe the basics.

I'm not saying that Bob isn't a smarter than average dude, but Bob is not a physicist, with no degrees or doctorates. If these had been "removed/scrubbed" he would still have personal evidence, documents, certificates, published data, photos, something. Stanton Friedman did a little digging and found him out to be a fraud, so have others, some are fantastic members here on ATS.
He may have worked at Los Alamos, but he could have been a lab assistant, or even an electrician who checked the plugs, it was just a name in a directory, and not a listing of his job.
He knew John Lear, and maybe they knew someone who was working at Area 51 on "Stealth" technology, hence knowledge of the hand scanner, and times of tests/displays, maybe they could make some money on a fantastical story, they knew if they gave away state secrets they could face jail time, flying saucers on the other hand, they had free reign, maybe it didn't work the way they anticipated.
During his time in Las Vegas, Bob did try to cash in and make videos in his act as a "mad" scientist who had worked at Area 51 but failed in anything but quirky news items.

After all that, and I still want Bob's story to be true. It's just a same that there's more holes in it than a block of swiss cheese.
Ufology these days has become more about belief than actual evidence.

Lazar obviously lied about his education credentials. What that means in terms of his other claims is a personal choice.

Why keep up the lie - many possible reasons, the credibility hit, the inner belief he would have aced it if he took the exams so in his eyes he achieved those qualifications and now can't admit to himself he doesn't have them, perhaps he's concerned about the legal position in lying to such an employer or maybe out of some kind of a trust / respect thing in not admitting he duped the guy who recommended him for the role.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

Surely los Alamos would have done a background check on him?

Good point and who knows for the kind of role he supposedly had. Thing is if they did and found he was lying would that affect whether he was employed ?

May even had made him the ideal candidate.

He may even had been told to state he had those qualifications.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

A) I’m not sure that is 100% true...but even if it was .. his earliest accounts were recorded...

It isn’t like he was interrogated by police where he didn’t have a transcript of the first interview..

His fist telling was on coast to coast I think.. it was a radio show and Lazar QUICKLY blew up from there..


My point with that is, there was an obvious financial and attention seeking motivation to go all in from the jump..

Basically millions of people heard Lazars story the first time he told it.. well relatively The first time.. I bet Lazar had paid offers for interviews and such with in 48 hours..




Here is what I find the least believable about Lazar..


A) None of the serious UFO researchers believed him.. your Stanton Friedmans put ALOT of effort into verifying Lazars account and couldn’t.

B) Lazar claims his academic career was erased to discredit him, and that he went to MIT and like Harvard.. I think..

Well where are his teacher and classmate witnesses???

The government can erase his files, but they can’t kill everyone he had classes with or studied with..

It would take more than one MIT alum to validate him, because getting one person to lie is easy, but 5-6 students and/or teachers ...

Well that proves that someone with the power to erase his career did.. not all the way to aliens but closer..



C) then you have the fake claims Lazar and Co. make..

My favorite is that Lazar “predicted” an element!!

Lol.


The periodic table was already to like element #112 and Lazar predicted science would discover element # 115...

Lol. Here watch me do the same....


The periodic table presently goes to 118 (from a BS scan of a chart image lol)...


“I predict we will discover element # 121!!


Look I must have contact with aliens!!

Lol

a reply to: Kurokage

Ding ding we have a winner!!!


I personally feel the same way about the Bible..

As the mundane details are disproven, why would the craziest parts still be try?!?!

a reply to: letni

No it wasn’t lol..

Science had already discovered 111 elements and Lazar predicted they would discover 4 more...


No one in the scientific community thought they had discovered all the elements lol..

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Creep Thumper

A) I’m not sure that is 100% true...but even if it was .. his earliest accounts were recorded...

It isn’t like he was interrogated by police where he didn’t have a transcript of the first interview..

His fist telling was on coast to coast I think.. it was a radio show and Lazar QUICKLY blew up from there..


My point with that is, there was an obvious financial and attention seeking motivation to go all in from the jump..

Basically millions of people heard Lazars story the first time he told it.. well relatively The first time.. I bet Lazar had paid offers for interviews and such with in 48 hours..




Here is what I find the least believable about Lazar..


A) None of the serious UFO researchers believed him.. your Stanton Friedmans put ALOT of effort into verifying Lazars account and couldn’t.

B) Lazar claims his academic career was erased to discredit him, and that he went to MIT and like Harvard.. I think..

Well where are his teacher and classmate witnesses???

The government can erase his files, but they can’t kill everyone he had classes with or studied with..

It would take more than one MIT alum to validate him, because getting one person to lie is easy, but 5-6 students and/or teachers ...

Well that proves that someone with the power to erase his career did.. not all the way to aliens but closer..



C) then you have the fake claims Lazar and Co. make..

My favorite is that Lazar “predicted” an element!!

Lol.


The periodic table was already to like element #112 and Lazar predicted science would discover element # 115...

Lol. Here watch me do the same....


The periodic table presently goes to 118 (from a BS scan of a chart image lol)...


“I predict we will discover element # 121!!


Look I must have contact with aliens!!

Lol

You misunderstand the element situation. It wasn't that he just said element 115 was a thing.

The important part of that information is in regards to 115 having an isotope near the isle of stability.

That is a little more specific, and last I read, likely to be correct.

To obtain a PhD in Physics:

A typical path (for the US) is: 4 years for your bachelor's degree in Science (usually in Physics or Astronomy); 2 years to get your Master's degree in Science; 3 years to complete your PhD program.

9 years total

To obtain a PhD in electrical engineering ( university of Nebraska - random example)

The time necessary to complete our Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering varies greatly, but three to four years beyond the M.S. degree is typical. A Ph.D. supervisory committee, in consultation with the student, arranges an appropriate program of study for completion of the doctoral requirements.

9-11 Years total


18-20 years of education and not one shred of evidence Lazar or Corbell could provide evidence for. no letters of correspondence with MIT or Cal Tech review boards. No peer reviewed papers. No papers at all - non peer reviewed. No proof of other employment of the fine Dr. Lazar in either physics or electrical engineering with any other company.

He does not claim to be a Dr of physics or EE as the owner / operator of United Nuclear. Even if the Gov’t “erased things” at MIT and CalTech he has no proof of utilizing those PhDs after the alleged S-4 story.

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: dfnj2015

It is probably BS...


Lazar claims the government erased proof existence at those places, but I have never seen any classmates who back up Lazars account..

You would think Lazar could point to atleast a few teachers/students he went to school with to varify his claims..

And this started decades ago, so from the point Lazar first Claimed his history was erased, I doubt that so my much time had passed no one remembered him

It's possible that people DO remember him but view him as toxic.

Think about it this way - maybe you had a classmate/acquaintance years ago who went on to do some things that weren't great as they got older/not something you really want to wade in to. Do you walk around saying "oh yeah, I know that guy!" probably not....

Beyond that, would you expect someone to come out and say "I was at MIT during those years and never saw him". Not really... it's not like it's a school of 5 people... and I'm going out on a limb here but having spent some time in the science department in college I can say that the social scene there is different than some other areas of study at the school.

Now, I say all of this with a general belief that Bob is credible. Time has made him more credible, not less credible, so he's either a pretty astute futurist or he has some first hand experience....

As far as the COINOP is concerned... if that ever was proven to be true it wouldn't entirely surprise me either... in any case, that would mean he really was there....

originally posted by: letni
The VIDEO interviews from back in the 80-90s of him explaining discovering element ununpentium is used as the fuel source for interstellar aliencraft - NEVER ROCKETS NOR COMBUSTIBLE FUEL- was huge blow to NASA (and now SpaceX)'s ongoing fakery.

so obviously they need him to seem fake/crazy until dead. they didnt erase his undergrad degree.

Wait so he said he discovered Element 115? Didn’t he supposedly work there only 4 or 5 days total?

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
How does a guy with supposedly, almost 0 post high school education...
-Get a job as a physicist at a top secret US nuclear test facility working on classified nuclear weapons.
-Clearly have some inside knowledge of happenings at area 52, and some classified information.

He doesn't.
I suggest you watch/listen to this interview of Dan Benkert:

originally posted by: EnigmaChaser
Now, I say all of this with a general belief that Bob is credible. Time has made him more credible, not less credible, so he's either a pretty astute futurist or he has some first hand experience...

Well, yes, he sounds or rather soundED credible - why else would so many of us have been so easily hooked on a relatively simple, straightforward, perfectly memorised but completely unverifiable story?

He should have stayed in the shadows, the Corbell film causing more damage than ever to his reputation, not helped by the embarrassingly amateur collusion in sexing-up an FBI raid (based on dangerous substances for sale) that had been independently planned two days in advance of filming rather than as a RESULT of filming, and of course had nothing to do with Element 115.

I doubt Lazar would have concocted his story were it not for Bob's 'eccentric' mate John Lear who insists ET provided humans with a specific weighted amount of 115, but this is also a man who openly admitted on ATS:

I don't have a shred, not a single shred of evidence for my speculations/opinions on space, gravity, planets and ET's. Let me put it this way, my speculations/opinions would be more accurately classified as sheer science fiction.

The same Mr Lear who provided George Knapp with a last-minute guest replacement in 1989 called Bob Lazar.

It's Curious George I feel most sorry for. Caught in a 30+ year trap.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
a reply to: Jabronie

Makes no sense for him to have maintained that lie, under oath, in court, when the judge was having trouble finding any records on him at all.

If he was lying, coming clean on that would've been way better for him in his court case, as he was almost facing alot of time.

Another thing is, people don't realize... And Bob has said this hundreds of times. This story, these interviews, this whole experience has done nothing but hurt him his whole life. Of he were lying for some benefit it'd make sense, but all he gets from it is a small band of believers and tons of ridicule and unwanted government attention.

This is a valid point the deniers always want to overlook. If there ever was a time to "come clean" it's when you are standing before a judge in a court of law and you are attesting to the truthfulness of your claims.

Searching through the 80s-90s cant find anyone else but Lazar exposing that E115 was found in ET crafts and that it was likely the fuel source for long distance space travel, by compressing timespace not thrusting thru a vacuum with rocket jets like the only human crafts in space since past 60+ yrs still supposedly do.

Not having advanced credentials makes it more likely he's a whistleblower than an active disinfo agent that has a track record of being on psyop-related divisions' payroll (ie A. Cooper, still reporter/journalist).

Wasn't his Bachelors in Physics & Electronic Tech confirmed by Pacific? Just his ed from MIT & Caltech couldnt be verified.

And his being framed by feds for porn/prostitution... that's so typical of when feds silence leaks!