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Trump to tackle homelessness

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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 11:47 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

They are the bankers, financial institutions and corporations that wag your politicians tail TheRedneck.

You ken them I'm sure after all "they" own your federal reserve banking system, hence have your nation by the testicles somewhat.

And "They" are more apt to kick a poor homeless fellow in the head whilst asleep than help him up and on to a better future.




posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: jacobe001


It seems many want the government involved to provide the solution but for different reasons.

Unfortunately, this is one of those issues where the government must get involved for anything to work.

Capitalism has two serious flaws: the very rich can get so wealthy they can manipulate markets and gain an unfair advantage that overrides the system, and the very poor can become so poor they have no opportunity left. We have (albeit unenforced) anti-trust laws to handle the very rich, but we seem to struggle when handling the very poor. There is, by definition, no money to be made off someone with no money. So what do we do? We give them money so hopefully someone will help them.

But that just means someone will take advantage of them; if they could handle money, most would not be homeless in the first place.

The key is education, incentive, and direct assistance. The homeless do not need to be a target for capitalists. They actually need a good strong dose of communism for a while. That works. It works in a family/friends setting and has for quite some time. Then we can slowly re-introduce them to capitalism, making sure they have the information needed to not make the same mistakes as before.

But that takes all the profit out of helping the homeless, and because of that, people will fight against it at every turn.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Homelessness is more complex than just a bootstrap or addiction problem. It's morphed into the cultural malaise of a society that has turned mean and uncaring. Breakdown of the community/family where working 2 jobs is common just to get by and simply too stressed to care about anyone outside the immediate area. Trump is powerless to do anything than just throw money at homelessness. I see his administration more of a problem than a solution. I know no one wants to hear it but...."it takes a village"


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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

What is the proposal and or links to what he has actually said?



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: andy06shake

You seem to be looking into a mirror when you type. I care very little about green paper or numbers in a computer. I care about people. If I cared about money, I would be agreeing with you that the present system of handling the homeless cannot be improved.

It is you who are advocating for the same system we have now, the system that takes full advantage of hapless folk and keeps them impoverished from cradle to grave, generation after generation. You are the one ruled by the almighty dollar.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:00 PM
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IMHO if they separate males and females children and parents it will be border bs all over again. I think it is time to open the fema camps and allow unmarried folks to stay together. From my understanding that is the main reason, ppl dont go to the housing offered in every state. It IS offered you know...



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Naw buddy I've just got reflective sunglasses on.


The bankers and corporations care very much about profit and monies, homeless people, not so much, or even at all.

Only thing I'm advocating is not letting Trump ruin those poor bastards day in a whole new way, but I'm sure he will manage it anyhow.

I've not got any quick fix solutions, but neither so it seems does anyone else.
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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:09 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

We don't agree very often... but this appears to be that wonderful exception.

It really does take a village... more specifically, it takes a family. We cannot pretend that government can be a family, but they can use the economic aspect of family life that allows family to help: communism.

All families are communist. From each according to their ability (the parents work, prepare meals, clean), to each according to their needs (children learn and grow, provided with the fruits of the parents' labors). It actually works in small groups. The homeless need that, at least until they can get out of the hole they have dug themselves.

Capitalism tends to move people away from the middle. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, were it not for individual incentives. Communism tends to move everyone toward the middle, but in the process that middle ground deteriorates. I do not condone communism in society, but for those who have fallen so low they cannot compete, it is the only realistic option left.

The post I made early in this thread does exactly that. It establishes a commune, a place where people are taken care of and helped, not according to their abilities, but according to their needs. It then allows those people to grow beyond their present position and retake control of their lives in mainstream capitalistic society, armed with the confidence of knowing they have a safety net and the new knowledge they have been given.

TheRedneck


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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake


Only thing I'm advocating is not letting Trump ruin those poor bastards day in a whole new way, but I'm sure he will manage it anyhow.

I've not got any quick fix solutions, but neither so it seems does anyone else.

It is simply not possible to advocate for a negative. What you are doing is ignoring the problem because you personally don't like the person who might actually fix it. And you know he might... otherwise you wouldn't mind him falling flat on his face.

Your biggest worry is that Trump might win again.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Eh, I don't speak parrot. It might sound like it at times, but that's just the accent.


What I post is my own thoughts. I don't exactly have a shortage, so I don't import any.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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No i ken the problem just fine.

Been there seen it, done it, and got the hat and balloon.

Trumps the one that will fail to comprehend the problem.

The worlds biggest worry is that Trump might win again, so its a big room I'm in there.


What's the bet the homeless people get screwed over once again?

Time will tell i imagine.



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:33 PM
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What's the bet the homeless people get screwed over once again?


I think we can rest easy that capitalism will rule the day. Corporate detention centers are being constructed as we speak to deal with the problem. All financed by the government, er...taxpayers. I occasionally drive by one with chainlink fence and razor wire facing inward out by the National guard armory. or perhaps it's for the malcontents, Mexicans and homeless as well. There's your village...

And perhaps FEMA camps or the plethora of vacant bigbox stores, will be leased to corps like Halliburton, KBR maned and staffed by their employees. I see a growth industry in the making...time to invest or dark days ahead for some poor schmucks. Perhaps some Americans will feel how the Jews felt not that long ago.
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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 12:55 PM
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How long would these places remain ""villages"" through?

Not long is my guess.

Changing the name won't make them anything other than what they are.

Obviously, we canny all adopt a homeless person but if they are not part of our communities then they are simply pigeon-holed in a box, and that seldom works out as intended.



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 01:01 PM
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How long would these places remain ""villages"" through?


Forever..."Villages of the damned" and least we forget the "final solution" or "Soylent Green" is always an option.

Malthusian vibes will resonate bigly, the Kissinger report finally comes home.
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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 01:15 PM
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No i ken the problem just fine.

If you did, you would have a solution to at least discuss. You got nothing.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I had my solution, which worked for me.

But the solution where homeless people are concerned varies from person to person down to individual circumstance.

What i have TheRedneck is a hell of a lot more than i once did, that's got to be something surely?

You're correct all the same in the grand scheme of things.



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

What if these 'work camps' were not imprisonment? What if they were designed as a way for someone to stabilize and gain a chance to become self sufficient again? Maybe a camp that would teach self sufficiency, how to grow a garden and provide food for oneself. That would instruct and maybe provide funds through labor for these people to gain enough to rejoin society.

The people would always have a choice. It seems like they have already made the choice to no longer be accountable for their actions, relying on others to provide the things that allow a person to keep on living.

What about a community or a societies requirement to itself? It seems like the majority of people in a community accept the responsibilities of some type of sacrafice to enable that society to function. Even if it is as simple as paying taxes for road repair or basic utilities.

What rights do the homeless have to just come into a society and start leaching off of the structure itself? Why can't they just congregate out in the open where there is no society? Stupid question but it is all related.

At what point is a society or community allowed have requirements for survival that are void of compassion?



posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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The homeless have been lumped into a convenient box painted with a broad brush.

I have known homeless with phd's, that when not totally strung out, work in very productive jobs pay taxes and live in an expensive condo until their addictions kick in. I work with a guy that's a gambling addict and will be flat broke, homeless and spend his total union check at the NA casino in 4 hrs.

They're as diverse a category of homeless people as there are species of parrots.

My homeless days are fondly remembered as freedom to work when I wanted to and pick and chose who would benefit from my services. Some days I could busk on the street or make silver trinkets for the tourist, but I had no home, apt. or permanent residence. Just a ford falcon, a dog, a backpack and a song in my heart.

One size doesn't fit all...Some have been productive taxpaying citizens for most of their life until financial circumstances or substances knocked the sh!t out of them; like the guy I met totally wiped out from medical expenses for his dead wife that died of cancer and now just drinks to ease his emotional pain, most of the time he isn't even coherent.... Does society owe them anything? It's oh so easy to just discount them because "it's the choice they made" eh? Pray to God that some trauma doesn't happen to you or your family and force you out on the street...
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posted on Jul, 6 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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One size doesn't fit all...Some have been productive taxpaying citizens for most of their life until financial circumstances or substances knocked the sh!t out of them

That's the sad truth. Given the chance, those wiped out financially can be brought back... those with the substance abuse problems need a little more help, and that will only work when they're ready for it to work.

We've really abused the homeless and the indigent for far too long. Our social safety net, to use a cliche, is nothing more than a safety hammock. The whole purpose of welfare should be to lift those up who have fallen, to address their situation with the kind of help they need and want. We need to patch the holes in the boat, not try to keep it above the waterline by keeping it tied to a rope we cannot support.

TheRedneck



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