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Using claims of doxxing to shame a beaten journalist

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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:08 PM
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So I am on phone right now and can’t link articles so easily

But for those of you that don’t know, a journalist reporting in Antifa was beaten in Portland

Many twitter claims and articles such as one in the huffington post have said Ngo was a bad guy cause he doxxed members of Antifa

This leads time to a very interesting question; how exactly do we define doxxing

First off Ngo to my knowledge did not give away personal phone numbers, addresses, places of work, etc. he just reported names of some Antifa people

Many of the same people both in main stream journalism and even on ats that were so angry with Ngo “doxxing” members of Antifa then go on to name proud boy and patriot prayer members

How is one doxxing and horrible and the other a good thing?

Well the explanation I have received seems to be this: Antifa wears masks, so we have to respect their privacy. Right wing groups don’t, so it’s ok to name them

This is clearly hypocrisy

So just because a violent domestic terrorist group wears masks, it’s doxxing and horrible to put their names? Would the people saying this also say it would be doxxing to our kkk members at rallies in hoods?

The real reason this is being done is because the people on the left that are doing this, many main stream people, want to downplay what happened to Ngo by making him a villain

Imagine the outrage if some kkk guys beat up a reporter, and people’s response was “well he outed some kkk people so he was biased and a bad actor@

That’s what we see here

So I guess the point is this

Just because a violent group wears masks and beats people doesn’t mean that it’s unethical to name them

And if you think so, you make want to check your bias



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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

I think it’s much simpler than that.

Antifa represents a segment of leftist ideology.

Many, most leftists subscribe to identity politics.

So an attack on Antifa is an attack on them.

Therefore they feel defensive.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:25 PM
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Up next they will be protecting terrorist identities. Oh wait, that's exactly what they're doing here.

Terrorist - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

ETA: Here is a link to 3 of the Antifa thugs unmasked.

Fox News
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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

You're not surprised are you? The media making excuses for violent thugs who happen to share their ideology is nothing new.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
Up next they will be protecting terrorist identities. Oh wait, that's exactly what they're doing here.

Terrorist - a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


I can’t believe the blatant hypocrisy

Say me and you are talking about a fight between the kkk and the black panthers

I report some of the identities of the hooded kkk

You tell me how horrible I am for putting these masked kkk people in danger by doxxing them (even though I just released their names)

You then spend post after post showing pictures of the black panthers who don’t wear masks, and giving out their names

What chutzpah it takes for you to claim I am a bad person but you’re not, because the people you outed didn’t have masks

Yet that is exactly what some ats people and main stream journalist are doing with ngo

Any excuse to attack the victims of left wing violence though. Just like with the Covington kids


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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Antifa is the paramilitary wing of the democrat party and has the blessings of all the party leaders and libtards & there is nothing on this planet that will convince me otherwise.

I have lots of popcorn ready for the day they are met with flying bullets from those they are attacking.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: face23785
a reply to: Grambler

You're not surprised are you? The media making excuses for violent thugs who happen to share their ideology is nothing new.


No not at all

I just like pointing out the hypocrisy

This is a group of people that claim to hate racism and attacking victims, that defended adult racists harassing kids, and smeared the kids all because they were seen as right wing

Now they claim to care about journalists who n danger, but when one is attacked, the smear him and make excuses for it



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:49 PM
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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Exactly, either they pass the unmasking law that's been thrown around or label Antifa a domestic terrorist group. If not, eventually people will handle this in their own way, which won't be good for anyone.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 03:52 PM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

Hmm, makes you think some Nazi sympathizer is the one funding this group. Ever notice how they are all white males and females in Antifa? I'm yet to see a person of color in that group.
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posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Seems they're not incognito enough, if the ability to be recognized is the parameter?



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 04:09 PM
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This is the "Thief Paradox". On one hand people feel that a starving mother with kids stealing a loaf of bread is ok, but a person needing to get out of town stealing a car isn't. It's theft either way, but because they can sympathize with the plight of the mother, they deem it an acceptable action. Let's change the bases with words:

A morbidly obese woman with six children is caught steeling a loaf of raisin bread. Is that still acceptable? What if the guy stealing the car was in need of getting to a hospital in a hurry? Is that now ok?

This false concept of "Doxxing" is the same thing in peoples minds. If a person disapproves of a group then they feel that they are doing the job of justice by exposing the people that are doing the action, while a person that agrees with the action will view the exposure as criminal in the revealing of the preparators.

The reality is just as you hinted at, though Draconian in nature, criminal either way. If a person wishes to complain about the revealing of their masked vigilantly of the week, then they should be just as irate over the exposing of the unknown target of the vigilante.

Though the term "Doxxing" is getting over used in the media and by the blinded masses of the media. If peoples addresses and contact information isn't getting released with their names, then how is it "Doxxing". People today will be complaining that the Big Mac got "Doxxed" by it's jiggle next. I wish people would understand the words they use better. Without an agreed rules for speaking, how do we have a society?



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Guyfriday

Excellent post!

I agree wholeheartedly

With all of my discussing of politics on here my YouTube channel and elsewhere, I have realized the following

I can respect and get along with even people that disagree with me, no problem. The hard part is with hypocrites and people with double standards

I believe discussing the names of violent thugs is ok (not giving out adreesses or things). Them wearing a mask or not, or being in any particular side doesn’t matter to me

However, if you think that discussing their names is wrong in all incidents, I disagree but I respect that

But to the hypocrites that say we can release the names of one side and it’s fine, but discussing names on the other side is horrible and you should expect to be beaten if you do, that is ridiculous



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 05:54 PM
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“Just because a violent group wears masks and beats people doesn’t mean that it’s unethical to name them “


I think it’s wrong in any case. Give out the wrong address and right name, someone goes to the wrong house and harasses or worse, the wrong person/family.

Another person with the doxxed name could be accidentally targeted and harmed.

Giving out people’s names, addresses, etc - should be completely and totally illegal, because of the harm likely to happen.
The only reason this doxxing is going on, is specifically to cause grief and/or harm.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit

Before I wore the cloak of anonymity I wrote online using my own name for a few different sites.

I was shocked at the level of death threats I received even back in 2005.

But made a few interesting friends along the way as well. My point is, if you’re going to do something in the public sphere, there’s always the chance you’ll get exposed.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit


Like when Spike Lee gave out the wrong George Zimmerman address, and that old couple got harassed over something they had no dealings in.



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 06:36 PM
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a reply to: snowspirit

Just outing a name isn’t doxxing

We are talking about people engaged in crimes in violent gangs

Journalists release the names of criminals or accused criminals all the time

But at least you seem consistent and don’t think only one sides names should not be mentioned



posted on Jul, 2 2019 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Guyfriday
a reply to: snowspirit


Like when Spike Lee gave out the wrong George Zimmerman address, and that old couple got harassed over something they had no dealings in.


Which was especially egregious considering Zimmerman was the victim in that case.



posted on Jul, 3 2019 @ 04:23 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

I would say when one group becomes violent naming them becomes a duty. Antifa is as violent as they come.



posted on Jul, 3 2019 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: snowspirit

Or to get police to take action, since the police know who some of these people are and yet refuse to arrest them.



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