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originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
To be fair rules of engagement were followed mostly in WWI and WWII, with WWII things got desperate, war crimes were uncovered and opposing armies happily negated rules when those rules had been violated against them.
With all that being said The Hague only seems to convict losers to war crimes so I'm not sure why any of it even matters, these institutions are a joke upon the foundations of why they were built... Which is a bloody shame considering the state of the world today, we could use some justice. We're being failed as a race by our leaders.
I have to agree with Worldstar's assessment. Nobody will field millions of soldiers in a combat scenario ever again imho yet the OP is absolutely bang on about how a handful of people can achieve what it would take massive military assets to do only 70 years ago... We've learnt a lot from the rise of special forces during WWII.
War never changes, how we fight will. And the world is in conflict in various forms, with globalisation in full effect it means very few people are not involved directly or indirectly, whether they know it or not.
Hell I could argue that the world is at war with terrorism but that's mainly a side show of the actual things in play.
Nobody declares war anymore. We've got superpowers sanctioning others, trade wars even between allies... And you want to wait till nukes fall to declare this a global conflict? Whilst questioning why nations like Iceland haven't fielded 1000's of soldiers?
Hence my statements about the rules of engagement to begin with. Everyone starts by playing fairly...until they start to lose (or there's a risk of losing). Then all bets are off. A quick trip through the history books will show us millions of examples.
Agreed. However, these conflicts can't be described in the same context as a "World Wars" like WWI and WWII. And frankly, no war after 6 August 1945 really can either. They might seem like "World War" to the participants, but to humanity as a whole they really aren't close at all. That was really my only point.
I don't want to "wait" for anything to name a conflict something. My whole point is, again, conventional "war" on a global scale is not possible in the shadow of nuclear weapons. So, I guess we agree that all wars will just be proxy wars (to sell weapons or whatever), and the real 'wars' will be fought on paper through policies and money.
and the real 'wars' will be fought on paper through policies and money.
1Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices.
2Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel.
3And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.
4And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust.
5Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
6Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
7And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.
8It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations be, that fight against mount Zion.
9Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.
10For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed: 12And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
15Woe unto them that seek deep to hide their counsel from the LORD, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
16Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?