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Progressives and Liberals are forcing moderates to become victims of their own creations...

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posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Mach2

No he didn't. He just posted the ones that would scare everyone. That list is far from extensive.

So you admit she has positions that will scare everyone.

Why do other positions she has matter when she has those positions?

It's like saying yes, he eats babies and kills puppies, but he has so many good qualities forget about those little details.




posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 08:30 AM
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originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Mach2

No he didn't. He just posted the ones that would scare everyone. That list is far from extensive.
But that list is accurate and therefor enough to turn off anyone who enjoys living in a non socialist country.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

Lessons learned... Just look at Canada. Justin Trudeau presented itself as a moderate to get elected. Harper left a 2 billion surplus, now we have a 40 billion deficit and our federal debt has expanded to around 2 trillion dollars. This is due to the liar and traitor infiltrating the position of pm and then corrupting everything it touches. It has pissed away most of that 40 billion to terrorists and despots in other countries, even a number of terrorists domestically. It concentrates on self enrichment and stupid social issues while destroying infrastructure and the economy.

This is what is in store fir the US should a crazy socialist be allowed the presidency. It only took Trudeau 3 years to totally ef'up Canada, it won't take any longer in the US. It is going to be so hard for us to recover in Canada it's ridiculous, we'll probably have to institute hanging laws again for politicians and high crimes to get any kind of credibility back.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 09:57 AM
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Like the Republican party hasn't been taken over by the far right already? But hey if we are lucky the moderates that are cast aside from both sides will come together and create a third party that will show the far left and far right how much of a minority they really are.
But for the record, I don't care who the dem candidate is there is no way in hades I would vote to give trump a second term.
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posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

The true far right are a minority of the Republicans though.
What I see are any and all Trump voters/followers being demonized and censored. Take the recent events on two popular websites....and I don't think we need to rehash those censorships here.
Like Trump....you are a bigot and a hater.

On the Dem side, I see the far left trying to take over their party, and the regular folks who are Dems are too silent.
Like Warren, Biden, AOC, Booker, etal....you are for truth, justice and free tuition....and a good citizen.

It is not balanced or fair.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Everyone? Not hardly. People on the right and right of center or whom are opposed to those specific things, probably.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

The Republican party has barely changed. So sorry, try again. If you think otherwise please explain in what way the Republican party has shifted to the far right.

www.investors.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: Puppylove

Your words were everyone, and you are right. Very few people are for those things, even among Democrats.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Well I just clarified what I meant then. I'm busy today, forgive me.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:29 AM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Ha! The far left aren't "trying" to take over the party, they have already succeeded.

If the democrats win in 2020 this country is going to be in real trouble. Their platform and agendas which most support and pledge to enact/implement if elected will be destructive.

The country is already in debt over $20 trillion and running on trillions in deficit spending annually.

Threats of higher taxes, some massive increases in taxes, restrictions and regulations on everything. All of those socialist programs they're promising etc. What could go wrong?

We'll see.




posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

They threw a Republican war hero, dying senator under their trump train as its speeding towards the cliff to plummet into the abyss of unknowns! More and more of the old time Republicans are being cast aside for not being conservative enough. Heck even Bush is now a liberal to yas. No I could at least stomach the old Republican party, even voted for a few Republican presidential candidates.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: ausername

Trump has grown the deficit by how much???
The Republican party seems to be behind him all the way. They may have stood for fiscal conservative policies at one time but they are backing fiscal irresponsibilty now.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ausername

Trump has grown the deficit by how much???
The Republican party seems to be behind him all the way. They may have stood for fiscal conservative policies at one time but they are backing fiscal irresponsibilty now.


If you think the establishment Republicans are behind Trump, you clearly are not very informed politically.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ausername

Trump has grown the deficit by how much???
The Republican party seems to be behind him all the way. They may have stood for fiscal conservative policies at one time but they are backing fiscal irresponsibilty now.

Both parties are to blame for the deficit. It requires serious social spending cuts, and that would cost votes.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: dawnstar

The Republican party has barely changed. So sorry, try again. If you think otherwise please explain in what way the Republican party has shifted to the far right.

www.investors.com...


If anything, the Republican party has gotten more liberal... the Christian right doesn't have nearly as much sway as they did back in the 90s (remember Ralph Reed and the Christian Coalition) Yeah, a lot of under 40s folks probably never heard of him...

By in large, Trump represents the moderates in the party. I've always just wanted a right leaning politician to focus on American first economics, get us out of wars with sh*thole countries, and seal the border. That's it. I could have cared less about abortion, christian values, etc.

Finally Trump came along and got my vote... I voted for Clinton. I've voted for Obama. No way in hell I can vote for these clowns representing the party now.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

And, how many of those establishment Republicans are still in Congress? And, McConnell should be one, but he's too chicken to stand up against trump to even bring bills to the floor unless he knows they have trumps seal of approval. And you really can't raise up the issue of deficits when you've just passed a massive tax cut that benefitted the richest among us so much more than it did anyone else. And then to top it off, waste money be shutting down the govt over an expensive building project like the border wall.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 11:04 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Edumakated

And, how many of those establishment Republicans are still in Congress? And, McConnell should be one, but he's too chicken to stand up against trump to even bring bills to the floor unless he knows they have trumps seal of approval. And you really can't raise up the issue of deficits when you've just passed a massive tax cut that benefitted the richest among us so much more than it did anyone else. And then to top it off, waste money be shutting down the govt over an expensive building project like the border wall.


A lot of establishment Republicans are in congress / senate. Trumps election was just as much of a rebuke of them as it was Hillary. Unfortunately, national elections don't determine if McConnell et al stay in office. Talk to the people of Kentucky.

Tax cuts only benefit those who pay taxes. Most taxes are paid by the upper income brackets, so mathematically, any tax cut is going to benefit them. If you aren't paying taxes, then by definition, you cannot get a tax cut.

The border wall is not expensive relative to our government expenditures.

Try coming with some logic and facts next time.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

It requires a lessening for the need for those social programs. There's far too much dependency on them at the present time by both the primary recipients of the aid but also the healthcare facilities, the companies that hire these low wage workers or produce or sell the necessities that the aid is meant to provide, and well the rest of society really since drastic cuts to these programs would result in economic turmoil.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

Most have gotten more liberal in the Republican party. The liberal extremism from the left has had the effect of pushing some more right though. Overall the average is basically the same today as it was 20-30 years ago among Republicans.



posted on Jun, 29 2019 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Oh there is some truth to that too. Taking things away, even if it needs to be done, is still a vote killer. So kick the can down the road.




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