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Why are people for reservations but not reparations???

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posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

Where have I seen this hypothesis of fear of slave uprising being the reason? Seems like I've read it here before.

It's an absolutely absurd hypothesis. Maybe the member who floated the idea will see this thread and stop in.




posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

If either are paid out I will file for both and claim I was reincarnated as a white man but was a black indian female back in the 1700's.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny


So why is it that people are ok with the US government paying out for its misdeeds to everyone but African Americans???



No one is boycotting Indian reservations..


In fact because of the whole congress talking about reparations thing. I have literally watched every conservative pundit probably bring up Native Americans, I guess assuming people are too stupid to realize we did , and still do pay reparations to native Americans..


Sure very few would say it is enough, but good luck finding something that is enough to make up for 300 years of slavery and 100+ of economic restrictions.. there probably isn’t that much money...


It is just soooooo obviously focused on this one community..

I wonder if it isn’t the remnants of the admittedly valid fear of a violent slave uprising. If your enslaving a group, which always includes consistent rapes and beatings, they you are pretty sure they would kill everyone if you gave them the chance..


For all of human history that has TERRIFIED slavers.any society that let the slave population reach close too 50% of theirs was pretty much built root and stem to prevent it.


It is easy to watch the seamless transition between the two of you read old newspaper headlines..


“Violent slave revolts” became “violent black revolts”, when in reality there has been remarkably few cases of African Americans committing mod violence on white Americans..

There were only 2 minor revolts and a handful for civil rights riots..

In 350 years...


It is pretty disgusting...





I stopped reading at the 300 years of slavery idiocy. Re-write your diatribe and use actual facts and I'll read the rest.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny

Why are people for reservations but not reparations???



Native Americans don't have any migration into the reservations do they.

African Communities do. 😎



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I get that what we did to African Americans was terrible and most slaves didn't survive. But what we did to native American's was worse.

We committed mass genocide against these people. We had standing orders to murder all women and children along with the men. There were prices put on Indian scalps.

We didn't even enslave these people we just straight up murdered them.


"We"? What the hell are you talking about? If you want to wallow in self hatred and white guilt go right ahead but you don't get to drag everyone else into you Festival of Self Pity.

"We" didn't do any such thing so "We" don't have to take ownership of things done by people that aren't me to people that aren't alive.

Beat it with your brainwashing.

Edit- also your view of what happened is so historically ignorant and uninformed that I have a tough time wrapping my head around it.

Not to mention that your worldview is completely one sided and places all blame on one group with absolutely no context.

Your understanding of what you are talking about is as deep as a puddle.
edit on 27-6-2019 by JohnS23 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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If you start taking money from me because I'm white and giving it to some guy because he's black... that's racist.

Also, reparations are BS.
Slavery ended over a century and a half ago.
Nobody alive today owned black slaves in america, nobody alive today has ever been a black slave in america... why on earth is this even a discussion?

Maybe we should start taxing everyone to pay white guys as reparations for getting # on just for being a white male. It's just as racist and just as dumb.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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Considering some people have mixed Native American and African American roots (especially descendants of the Eastern tribes, like the Cherokee and Seminole) it would appear that some tribal members might then get both reservation benefits (like the Pequot casino), as well as slavery reparations, since many would be descended from escaped slaves, or slaves kept by the tribes themselves.

Apparently it is an ongoing struggle for some "black Indians" to be accepted as tribal members, and one wonders whether reparations for some tribal members, but not others, will unite or divide these communities. Especially if one person on the rez is the descendant of slave owners, and the neighbor, or even part of the family are descendants of slaves.
And some Native Americans were also kept as slaves, by whites, other tribes or even black slave-owners.
I'm not sure they would qualify for reparations though.

Things can get very hostile and bitter when there's money involved, as many families have experienced after the death of a patriarch or matriarch, and the bitter jealousy about who gets what.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny


"300 years of slavery"?

Please explain.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I get that what we did to African Americans was terrible and most slaves didn't survive. But what we did to native American's was worse.

We committed mass genocide against these people. We had standing orders to murder all women and children along with the men. There were prices put on Indian scalps.

We didn't even enslave these people we just straight up murdered them.
What did you do to African Americans?

What did you do to Native Americans?




Well my ancestors enslaved African Americans and some other distant relatives killed many Indians while taking their land in the 1800's



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:03 PM
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Just to add to my previous post, perhaps the best solution regarding Native American nations with significant "black Indian" members would be that each tribe gets a once-off lump sum (depending of the number of provable slave descendants) and then they can distribute it as they see fit.

There you go - you sort it out.

But just thinking, in impoverished high crime areas getting reparations while your similarly impoverished neighbors get none must be like walking about with a target on your back (in SA, I imagine it would be at least).

If you get reparations you should get a free firearm to defend yourself and your ancestral nest-egg.
edit on 27-6-2019 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: JustJohnny

50% of the population rofl, try 13-14% present day, so I would expect around 6-8% back when slaving was going on. Oh and let's not forget the Irish slaves, in many years imported at twice the rate of black slaves. Do they get reparations as well? Oh and let's not forget native American tribes who were also slaves in different parts of North America, do they get reparations too? As far as reservations, the North American Indians were the stewards of the land, of course they deserve ongoing payments and reservations. Oh, and btw, I don't expect reparations even though I am part beothuk, which is one of those North American Indian tribes that were slaves, because I am not some whiny bitch that thinks they are entitled to megabucks because of slavery hundreds of years ago.

Eta: go talk to the muslims, they are slave trading to this day. Hell, they've been doing it for 1400 years.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:16 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I get that what we did to African Americans was terrible and most slaves didn't survive. But what we did to native American's was worse.

We committed mass genocide against these people. We had standing orders to murder all women and children along with the men. There were prices put on Indian scalps.

We didn't even enslave these people we just straight up murdered them.
What did you do to African Americans?

What did you do to Native Americans?




Well my ancestors enslaved African Americans and some other distant relatives killed many Indians while taking their land in the 1800's


I could probably go back and find some ancestors who bashed people’s heads in with rocks and took their cave. But i didn’t do any of that. Am i liable for everything my ancestors did?

You included yourself in the actions of your ancestors. I asked you, what you did to African Americans.

Let’s say your dad was a serial killer. He did horrible things to all kinds of people. How much of that is your fault?

Let’s go one step further, and say your dad stole money from those people, and by extension their families. That money was funneled down to you and it bought you a house, a car, and an education. 40 years later, you are long dead, and the source of that money is revealed. Do your kids have to give up money that they earned on their own? Their home?

Do my kids owe those families any money?
edit on 27-6-2019 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: PraetorianAZ

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
I get that what we did to African Americans was terrible and most slaves didn't survive. But what we did to native American's was worse.

We committed mass genocide against these people. We had standing orders to murder all women and children along with the men. There were prices put on Indian scalps.

We didn't even enslave these people we just straight up murdered them.
What did you do to African Americans?

What did you do to Native Americans?




Well my ancestors enslaved African Americans and some other distant relatives killed many Indians while taking their land in the 1800's

Even IF your ancestors had some part in Americans dark past, and that's a big if. What exactly is giving someone money for their ancestry going to achieve? Black poverty, crime, and violence stems from within. Not from some outside 150 year old source.

Rather than carry around guilt for something you had no hand in. Be proud to be part of a culture that fought wars to abolish slavery.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: JohnS23
"We"? What the hell are you talking about? If you want to wallow in self hatred and white guilt go right ahead but you don't get to drag everyone else into you Festival of Self Pity.


Some people can't wrap their minds around the GENERAL use of "we" and the more personal use of it at all, much like the general "you" and singular, specific "you" that makes people all offended. Blame your English teachers for that one.

The "we" being used here refers to the US in a more anthropomorphized sense than an individual citizen sense. My family didn't land here until 1905, so we (my family) didn't do jack s# to the Natives or blacks. But in the sense of "we" referring to the country and it's history, such as the context of the comment you messed your undies about, that historical country "we" did some pretty damn nasty things, both slavery and genocide. Although IMO, the genocide s# is worse than slavery.

We were not kind to either group way back when. One was just enslaved while the other was damn near wiped out.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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Strangely enough, all this talk of reparations reminds me of an episode of Wife Swap I once saw.

According to the rules of the reality program two wives went to live with the other family, first living for something like a week according to their rules, and then a week according to the swapped wife's rules.
At the end each wife got about 10 000 Dollars and decided how the host family was supposed to spend it.

In one program a white middle class wife went to live in a black working class area, although she was very liberal.
When the black wife came home and read how she was supposed to spend the money she was outraged.
The white liberal wife wrote that something like half the money must go the mayor to clean up the area.
Imagine the shock the black wife had: "The mayor? Why the hell would I be giving money to the mayor?"

The distribution of money doesn't always go well, especially if well meaning white liberals are behind it.
edit on 27-6-2019 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 04:06 PM
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I'm waiting on an answer JJ. This is not an attack, it's a valid question.. I don't think they get a monthly check for being Induns, nor any government aid beyond state help like welfare or ebt or like that. I think the notion that Injuns are all hooked up and driving fine cars, eating pheasant and watching big screens all day is just word of mouth by those with no clue.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 04:29 PM
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the slaves even if brought hear against there will are part of the invaders from the perspective of the natives

And the only way to repay them is for everyone in American who not a decendent of the native Americans to go back to there homeland

So anyone who wishes for reparations I advise you pay your dues to the decimated people who's land you live on first



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: visitedbythem
I would think that the Japanese American citizens who were rounded up, and robbed of their land and possessions, and dropped into internment camps might be owed something.

When slavery was abolished, the freed slaves should have been paid by those who enslaved them, and immediately shipped back to their home land. Its too late now


That's one of the reasons why it comes up. Japanese Americans were paid reparations for that, but it was the direct people who were directly interned. Such a thing is not possible with African Americans. As has been pointed out, you cannot untangle who would owe whom and justify why in any fair sense. You would have white folks getting paid and paying, and black folks getting paid and paying, and some who arguably ought to be paying themselves.
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posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 05:29 PM
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Natives were mostly forced into reservations. They are nothing like reparations.



posted on Jun, 27 2019 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: JustJohnny

How would we figure out who pays reparations?

For many of us, our ancestors immigrated after that time period, so why should we have to pay reparations to someone who wasn't a slave?


A tax on private prison companies. The only group in America still farming out actual slave labor.



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