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Stopping Leaked Info... With extreme force?

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posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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So, what's stopping someone from working their butt off to get into a top-secret facility like Dulce (And I mean studying hard, applying for the job, getting in etc., not some crazy suicide mission involving flash-bangs and people spear-tackling MIBs), learning all their secrets, scribbling them down then leaking them. There are too many people working at such bases to know who is doing what.

If they have bugs planted at your house, use a public phone to tell the media / friends. By the time they get there. Your gone. If you want to leak it to ATS, use a computer at your local library, or you can easily 'hijack' someone's phone line using the pillars on the side of the road (They have them in Australia. Don't know about America), (My old man works for a phone company). Connect to the net and do it that way.

There are also line encrypters you can put on 2 phones to ensure some safety in conversations. And what about sending messages using triple DES / Blowfish / Polymorphic encryption?

I'm rambling on here, but the point is. How can the MIBs stop you, if they don't know which person is leaking? What if they kill the wrong person, like someone who is their 'employee of the month'?

What do others think?

[edit] oops. My bad. I posted this is the wrong board. It should be in the Millitary and Government FACILITIES, not projects. Is anyone able to move it? Or is it OK here? [/edit]

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posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 06:56 PM
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I'm sure it will be alright here, because you are implying military projects aswell as facilities.

I am not sure how MIB's would stop you from leaking info, ofcourse we can not be entirely sure of what protocols they have enacted. They may have technology that monitors everything you do... as crazy as that may seem. If there had been something you would think more employees(besides Bob Lazar) from places like A51 would have leaked something onto the internet. How do they keep these people quiet? Probably death threats to their families and friends.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 07:04 PM
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Yeah, death threats are a fave for MIBs. They know heaps apparently, but not enough to intercept EVERYTHING you do. Maybe they have telephathy? hmmm.....



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 07:09 PM
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Don't know. If half of the rumors about the MIBs are true, they could have telepathy, nanobots hovering around you, people manipulated into watching you without knowing it, etc.

In regards to the encryption(which I know little about), they would probably use quantum computers to decypher it.



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 11:47 AM
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No need for all that.

Remember the movie Running Man? Hatchet job done on Arnold, Maria Conchita Alonso by the government.

They come around town, ask all sorts of questions they already know the answers to. Does Mr. Whistleblower hang around gay bars, have needle tracks, wear a dress, hang around little boys. Innuendo.

They get a person on the periphery of Mr. Whistleblowers life to tell lies about him. Some greasy bar floozy, says he pays her to wear her underwear on his head.

People will always believe any bad thing said about anyone else. Once that nonsense starts, it's unstoppable.

Who is going to believe a pervert needle junkie who cheats on his wife?

Your tax dollars at work.



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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There would be no point of sending anything to any media because the govenment can stop ANY stories they want before they get published.

For the precautions they take to cover things up are:

Your house and work life are all bugged for about three years, to check that you are not leaking info.

No one can say no to the government (not if they dont want to be shot) so it would always come back to you anyway.

they technology that the government have, if you made a phone call they would co0mpare the voice patterns to the ones that they all ready have on file. (they have everyones). Fingerprints are a thing of the past, voice regconision is the the present.

Most of the people are high top secret facilities get there by chance and normally have about 5 years previous GOOD CLEAN military records, unless they are scientist.

Thats about all i have to say at the minute....

Blessed be



posted on Mar, 4 2005 @ 11:28 PM
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Check out this link

This is a NDA- non dislcosure agreement. The reason you dont have people just blabbing classified information is most people are very trusted in the first place. Second, if they lose trust, your clearance will be pulled and you will no long have acces to the information. Now you say, we'll then why dont they give it up if they know the info. The final thing they have in place is the NDA, which says you won't discuss anything classified, under penalty of law. Now if we are talking information that is top secret, then there are controls placed on access to it in the first place, so everyone that has had acess to the information is documented. That way if it gets out, they know who has had access and can systematically find out who disclosed it. (usually through a polygraph). Hope it helps

J~Rock



posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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and they probably have lots of people only work on specific parts of a project, and less and less people as the project gets to the whole, if that makes any sense


Urn

posted on Mar, 6 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by tortillabuns4u
and they probably have lots of people only work on specific parts of a project, and less and less people as the project gets to the whole, if that makes any sense


ya, compartmentalize the hell out of projects so the left hand doesnt know what the right is doing......so the only info you could possably leak, is that you worked on a little six inch doohicky that you have no idea what is for...

makes sense to me...



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 10:37 PM
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This sounds more and more like one of those 'Moral Questions', such as 'Would you surrender your life in order to save millions?'. But this time it's more like 'Would you give up your life to ensure millions know the truth?'. I know I would...



posted on Mar, 7 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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Why on earth would anyone want to work for countless years to acquire the knowledge and skills required to get a job working on the cutting edge of technology (and most likely, in the meantime, acquire a family that depends on them), only to thow it all away by disclosing 'secrets' in a public forum where doubt and incredulity is the currency of trade?

Personally, I'd bet that the psych and personality testing done for those that want SCI type clearances categorically exclude those prone to such rash and irrational behavior. If they didn't, then the govt. would have a really hard time keeping secrets.



posted on Mar, 8 2005 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by Grayda
This sounds more and more like one of those 'Moral Questions', such as 'Would you surrender your life in order to save millions?'. But this time it's more like 'Would you give up your life to ensure millions know the truth?'. I know I would...

But the problem appears when that might turn into "Would you give up your life to cause widespread panic and the death of thousands of people?".



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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Or has anyone thought that the government might pay these people extraordinary sums of money to keep their mouths shut?? Money talks but it also shuts people up. This "benefit" would also be enforced by threats to family or your well-being.

[edit on 9-3-2005 by PtballDan]



posted on Mar, 9 2005 @ 06:58 PM
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And I'm not saying a thing, nope.

*Pulls out flashy thing.*

!FLASH!

Force is not used to keep the people silent, your government loves you, be a good citizen and post often on ATS.


Urn

posted on Mar, 10 2005 @ 05:28 AM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
*Pulls out flashy thing.*

!FLASH!
be a good citizen and post often on ATS.


roger that!!!


[edit on 10-3-2005 by Urn]



posted on Mar, 12 2005 @ 08:57 PM
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People will always believe any bad thing said about anyone else. Once that nonsense starts, it's unstoppable.

Who is going to believe a pervert needle junkie who cheats on his wife?

Your tax dollars at work.


And yet you put all your marbles into believing a Hollywood story.



posted on Mar, 12 2005 @ 10:28 PM
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"And yet you put all your marbles into believing a Hollywood story."

You have precisely no knowledge of what I believe.

I'm giving you the benefits of decades of experience working in environments where everybody has a security clearance, and a few fools can't keep their ego in check. They run off at the mouth to impress people, and people come around and discredit them.

This technique has been used since the '50s.



posted on Mar, 12 2005 @ 10:36 PM
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Ultimately, you can't stop leaks entirely, as proven by the occasional spy trial.

All you can do is control and minimize the risk to the greatest extent possible. This means physical security as well as personnel clearances. To get a top secret clearance takes a rigorous application procedure and background checking. So, before you get in the door, you've already been thoroughly checked out for loyalty and reliability.

Next layer of protection are all the controls on documents, need to know rules and controls on copying. And lots more.

Finally, of course, there is the threat of jail time. Want to risk 30 years of your life?



posted on Mar, 14 2005 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Researcher
"And yet you put all your marbles into believing a Hollywood story."

You have precisely no knowledge of what I believe.

I'm giving you the benefits of decades of experience working in environments where everybody has a security clearance, and a few fools can't keep their ego in check. They run off at the mouth to impress people, and people come around and discredit them.

This technique has been used since the '50s. [/quote

...and yet here you are on the internet flapping your gums. Yea, right. Seems to me, you would be one of those people flapping off at the mouth. I hear South America is nice this time of year. If I were you and what you say is true, then I'd be buying a ticket.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 12:01 AM
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While probably not reality, I think a neat example of a leak and how it is stopped can be found in "No Remorse" by Tom Clancy. Basically, the people in charge find out they have a leak, so they themselves leak false information to people they suspect. When the info comes back around, they knew who the leak was.

Then they had him assassinated, but made it look like a drug overdose. Which I'm split on. In one hand, I feel that some information is worth killing to protect. But I don't think there are invisible, telepathic, tentacled, laser wielding MIB's going around wiping out hordes of people who ran their mouths about some stupid low level government project.



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