It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Why The Left Is Trying To Convince People Our Border Facilities Are Concentration Camps

page: 1
22
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join
share:
+3 more 
posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 04:36 PM
link   
We've all seen the genius bar tender turned politician saying the US is running concentration camps. Since then there have been a torrent of criticisms and an interesting amount of support. That support has come from media as well as some other, semi-respectable institutions. So my question is why?

It's either accurate, or it's not. If it's accurate then that is why they're using the term. So before I get to why, I have to answer that question: is it accurate?

Of course not. If we stretch the meaning out to be something vague, could it possibly fit the definition of concentration camp? Sure. But once you stretch the word out to be of vague meaning, every church, school, place of employment, county jail, military base, and hospital becomes a concentration camp on some level.

That's not what the people who called it a concentration camp meant though. See they wanted to invoke the grisly, disturbing images of the holocaust and project them onto our border. That's the entire purpose of calling it a concentration camp. They weren't trying to compare it to a school or military base were they? No. They know what they were trying to make it look like. If they weren't going for WWII holocaust comparisons, why include "Never Again" in the argument? Because they were going for that. Anyone who denies that is either stupid or so partisan they're afraid of right turns while walking or driving.

So why? Why make a ridiculous comparison like that?

There are two main groups they fit in.

Group 1 - The rank and file:
Simply put, they live in a fantasy. They NEED trump to be a nazi. They need him to be a fascist. They need him to be a dictator. They've been saying he's hitler since before the election. There are no depths they won't probe in their attempt to make reality fit into their fantasy. In this fantasy they're the heroes. Every hero needs a villain to defeat, to prove they are indeed the hero of the story. Who is the most disturbing villain in modern history? Hitler and his nazi party sycophants. Having this villain justifies their existence.

Group 2 - The elite (media, dem politicians, etc):
They cannot afford to be wrong. They leveled the accusation and convinced their base it was true. If their base finds out it was false, well they might see that trump is actually a lot like someone they could vote for. As I saw one liberal commenter say: "I can't believe we have a president who has sex with porn stars and is creating a space force and I hate him." This particular liberal approved personally of trump's sordid affairs as well as with the policy to create a space force. So why does he hate trump? Well, you can't very well like hitler. He's the bad guy.

Maybe even more importantly to the elite left, though, is that minorities seem to be jumping ship. Hispanics have been hopping on the trump train. 33% of blacks are saying life has gotten better under trump, compare that to 13% who said the same for obama's tenure in 2016. So how do you get them back onto the democrat plantation? You stoke racist fears. Trump is the anti-minority hitler! He wants to rip your families apart and kill you! He's a racist of the most extreme! Hopefully that will be enough to scare them back into the abusive arms of the slave masters.

So now we know the why, so why now?

I think that's for two main reasons:
1) Trump's approval has been creeping up nicely. It hit an all time high of 49% in the USA today poll, just last week (48% disapproved). This was better than the rasmussen poll, which the media disregards for any meaning other than a benchmark of right leaning polls. They also found out last week that those internal polls they hyped a couple weeks ago, you know, that showed trump losing in a bunch of swing states, were actually old polls and the most unfavorable of the batch. The current internal polls showed trump winning massively just about everywhere.

2) The democrat debates are coming up and joe, the establishment pick, needs a narrative he can follow when he gets confused. Referring to our border as concentration camps will be easy for him to remember and allow him to knock it out of the park. I expect mostly softballs for joe, with one or two tough questions that he has already been tipped off to.

So that's my take on why they're running with the concentration camp narrative, rather than owning up to the fact that it's an absurd comparison.
edit on 24-6-2019 by Dfairlite because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 04:51 PM
link   
A "concentration camp" is just a location of people detained in high densities, people who would likely prefer to not be there.

The words 'concentration camp' became an ugly term when Nazi Germany used them as "death camps" to commit racial genocide.

If all these people want to call the camps for detaining illegal aliens "death camps", then bring it on!!


+1 more 
posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 04:55 PM
link   
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

That's all very true. But you know what Cortez and her ilk are attempting to imply. Actually, they're not implying, they're flat out sayin' it...

They're so invested in this "Orange man fascist/Nazi" meme, that they can't back away from it without losing what little credibility they've got left.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 04:58 PM
link   
a reply to: Dfairlite

They should be called Temporary holding centers for Deportations.

Maybe we should just send them all back over the border to Mexico instead of detaining them........problem solved.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 04:59 PM
link   
a reply to: Dfairlite

Left leaning thinkers tend to open up their emotions to provoke debate and cause a stir, and get a reaction. And when it is taken to far, strong words are used. All ideas are out for everyone to reach, and a lot of them aren't meant to provoke, but a lot are taken far to literally.

Concentration camps are a rather sinister term to be using, considering when anyone uses the term, like you said, people who know general history will relate them to what happened during WW2.
The problem is, concentration camps are meant to be concentrated zones or areas of people to live out their everyday lives, or who ever put them there deems to be everyday life, generally it's where you eat, sleep, work, basically live.
From my understanding the zones at the border are more of just basically jails until they can be processed and sent off to where ever they go.
Internment camps are also a wrong word to use, it's just a nice way of saying concentration camp.

If people are so worried about human rights, take up a sponsorship and lead them to the path of citizenship.
My personal opinion, ethically and morally, since I believe a human is more than just a pawn in the system it's wrong, but legality people need to follow simple rules.

If people are so worried about this, why aren't they all up in arms to what the Chinese have been doing to Muslims within' the last ten years?



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:04 PM
link   

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
A "concentration camp" is just a location of people detained in high densities, people who would likely prefer to not be there.

The words 'concentration camp' became an ugly term when Nazi Germany used them as "death camps" to commit racial genocide.

If all these people want to call the camps for detaining illegal aliens "death camps", then bring it on!!



I find the term "concentration camp" offensive, and politically incorrect.

Or does that only work one way, and not the other.

Personally, I couldn't care less what garbage comes out of stupid ppls mouths.

It just alienates more and more of the mainstream voters, IMO.


+9 more 
posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:05 PM
link   
a reply to: Dfairlite

They are the only concentration camps in history to have people climbing the walls to get in.

TDS....



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:09 PM
link   
"Nobody is above the LAW !!"

-- multiple Democrats running for President 😎



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:15 PM
link   
a reply to: Dfairlite

"how liars create the illusion of truth"


Repetition makes a fact seem more true, regardless of whether it is or not. Understanding this effect can help you avoid falling for propaganda, says psychologist Tom Stafford.


"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes truth" - Joseph Goebbels, Minister for Propaganda under Hitler.

The facilities at the southern border are not concentration camps, not even close - intelligent folks know this, stupid folks take it as gospel because they are mentally limited in pretty much all facets of life.
edit on 24/6/2019 by Sublimecraft because:



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:16 PM
link   
a reply to: seagull

Oh absolutely, that's exactly what they're trying to imply!!

These spineless cowards want to say it, without actually saying it.

Someone should call these liberals out, directly, and point out their intentional veil of hatred by implying concentration camps are death camps specifically designed to put millions of illegal aliens to death through genocide...and how disingenuous and disrespectful this is to their fellow men, women and descendants who really did endure Nazi "death camps". Point blank.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:22 PM
link   
a reply to: pavil

That is pretty much what they ARE officially called! They're certainly not called 'concentration camps'.

That label originates from the left, illegal alien, supporters.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:26 PM
link   
a reply to: Sublimecraft




The facilities at the southern border are not concentration camps, not even close - ...


Well, yes they are kind of. They are aggregation points for people of a like status (in this case illegal aliens). They 'concentrate' the people of this status down into one group who will all be treated similarly and processed similarly. That's all the term means. Last time I checked, there are no gas chambers (contrary to what the liberals spouting this nonsense would have you think).



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:26 PM
link   
There are stories of poor black citizens being angry because the amenities at those facilities are better than what they get. Three meals a day, healthcare, safety, toys, TV, books. Willing to bet a large bag of coin they are living better than I did in my military career. Sleeping next to ant piles, no climate control, crap MRE's, shoddy healthcare and most of all limited sleep on deployments being an officer. For months I got maybe a few hours a day. I was going delirious.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:30 PM
link   
a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Sounds like a Summer Camp where people go to hone their mental skills.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:30 PM
link   
The original context by low-info hyper-shill AOC was to imply zero distinction between Auschwitz and Southern border detention facilities.

In 2019, the US is operating facilities that are DELIBERATELY killing humans.

ZERO distinction.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:35 PM
link   
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Totally agree, 100%! That's absolutely what she's trying to imply!

My point is, she (and others) should get called out on the distinction between the terms 'concentration camps' and 'death camps'. In other words, fight fire with fire.

ETA - Force them onto the defensive to define what they mean by "concentration camp" and force them to acknowledge the difference between that and a "death camp" like Auschwitz. Do this by calling out their intentions at misrepresentation point blank. Force them to say..."That's not what I meant by saying that.". Okay then...what did you mean, exactly? Push them right back into a corner with this comparison. They started it, so let them explain their meaning, on-screen with their ever loving MSM!
edit on 6/24/2019 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:38 PM
link   

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Dfairlite

Left leaning thinkers tend to open up their emotions to provoke debate and cause a stir, and get a reaction.


Fun fact, the only two actual incidents of modern concentration camps existing on US soil, and housing US citizens based on their ethnicity, were both presided over by "left leaning thinkers", DEMOCRAT presidents of the United States of America.
Democrat Woodrow Wilson ordered several thousand German-Americans interred in one of 4 interment camps during World War 1.
Progressive Democrat POTUS Franklin Delano Roosevelt ordered German-Americans, Japanese-Americans, some Italian-Americans and Aleut Alaska Natives interred during World War 2 in multiple concentration camps in western US states. Those interred lost their property, their homes, their money, and their freedom during that war all based entirely on their ethnicity.

In other words, the "left leaning thinker" narrative is, simply put, HORSESNIP. Once again the left leaning dotards are trying to castigate the remainder of the nation with the sins their own forefathers plagued this cursed land with. Eff em, eff em all and let's move on without them for a change. The world would be a far more happy, peaceful, innocent place with none of them polluting the discourse with revisionist history and exercises in projection.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:44 PM
link   
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well considering the germans and Japanese both declared official war. Would you expect less?

Also I have to add if you want to talk about the philosophy behind right and left leaning thinking, dont bring partisanship of US politics into this. The world doesnt revolve around what the broken political system in the US thinks.
edit on 24-6-2019 by strongfp because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-6-2019 by strongfp because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:46 PM
link   
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Oh, and as bad as that was (and it was), to the best of my knowledge...there were no gas chambers for ethnic cleansing and genocide. Which makes the left look even more "stoopid" for making this comparison.

Ah, but it's just history...they ain't got no time fo' dat.



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 05:50 PM
link   

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: burdman30ott6

Well considering the germans and Japanese both declared official war. Would you expect less?

Also I have to add of you want to talk about the philosophy behind right s dleft leaning thinking, dont bring partisanship of US politics into this. The world doesnt revolve around what the broken political system in the US thinks.


Did we gather up all the Korean-Americans in the 50s? Cuban-Americans in the 60s? Vietnamese-Americans in the 70s? How many Iranian-Americans, Libyan-Americans, and Lebanese-Americans were interred in the US in the 80s? Remember when George Bush ordered all Iraqi-Americans interred during the Gulf War? Or when his son signed an order seizing all Afghani-Americans following the 911 attacks? Your excuse smells like the Democrats, it reeks of poop.



new topics

top topics



 
22
<<   2  3  4 >>

log in

join