This is Why You Can't Photograph a UFO Properly

a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

To be fair to science though, there could easily be technology that could do what you say is impossible.

The The 1966 Burkes Flat "bent headlight beams" case comes to mind.

originally posted by: InTheLight
So, what would be required in a camera to shoot a moving UFO in the sky. Well, I suppose the equipment and settings would match those required to shoot birds in flight. Any comments?

I don't think so, as the equipment needed to photograph birds in flight is chosen to be able to, as you can see in the article, capture an image of the wings "frozen" in place, with no motion blur, and that's why they talk about shutter speeds of 1/1000 or 1/2000. Photographing UFOs is more like photographing aeroplanes than photographing birds: the distances are similar, the speeds are similar (otherwise the photographer wouldn't be able to even point the camera).

My point is that if you read that article above, so much is involved in taking proper pictures.

Yes, if you are talking about a professional looking photo of a bird flapping its wings, which is not the case. To be able to take a good photo of an UFO I suppose you would need only a camera capable of taking good photos of aeroplanes. Can you find an article about that?

originally posted by: roadgravel
What is needed to overcome its mass plus movement against gravity. I wouldn't think it would need a level of antigravity that can bend light we can easily detect with our eyes, like a massive object would.

OK, I understand it now, and I agree.

A gravity field like that would not be strong enough to change the light.

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

... as you understand them.

No problem with your belief-system, as long as you understand that none of us can discount the unknown-unknowns, and make ridiculous claims as to what is, or isn't 'impossible'.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: roadgravel
What is needed to overcome its mass plus movement against gravity. I wouldn't think it would need a level of antigravity that can bend light we can easily detect with our eyes, like a massive object would.

OK, I understand it now, and I agree.

A gravity field like that would not be strong enough to change the light.

So what about a magnetic fields?

van.physics.illinois.edu...

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

To be fair to science though, there could easily be technology that could do what you say is impossible.

The The 1966 Burkes Flat "bent headlight beams" case comes to mind.

Thats not being fair to science
The amount of energy needed to bend light is astounding
Take for instance the Sun's mass

Yes , the refraction or reflection of light is possible.
NOT "bending" . That takes a whale of a lot of gravitational influence

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

... as you understand them.

No problem with your belief-system, as long as you understand that none of us can discount the unknown-unknowns, and make ridiculous claims as to what is, or isn't 'impossible'.

As everyone with a basic knowledge of science understands them
Some folks tend to over look science fact for science fiction
I used to believe in science fiction

originally posted by: InTheLight
So what about a magnetic fields?

That's not topic, the topic is a gravity field making it impossible to take a good photo of an UFO because it affects the light.

I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Nothin

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

... as you understand them.

No problem with your belief-system, as long as you understand that none of us can discount the unknown-unknowns, and make ridiculous claims as to what is, or isn't 'impossible'.

As everyone with a basic knowledge of science understands them
Some folks tend to over look science fact for science fiction
I used to believe in science fiction

What make you think that a possible alien craft, or inter-dimensional phenomena, or future human object, or whatever, needs to conform to your basic understanding of today's physics?

Does our modern world conform to the basic understanding of cavemen?

It seems that there is phenomena occurring, of which we lack understanding, and part of that is that the phenomena appears to NOT conform to our basic understanding of physics, science, logic, nothing.

We are wondering why the phenomena seems to invariably have produce blurred photographs and films.
We don't know why, ergo folks are spit-balling.

a reply to: Nothin

What make you think that a possible alien craft, or inter-dimensional phenomena, or future human object, or whatever, needs to conform to your basic understanding of today's physics?

Because it is science
Known science
I recommend you do some basic research in Physics
Start with a low level read of E=MC^2
Come to understand gravity , light , energy , etc.
Get away from the science fiction novels for a while

Get back to me after you do
Then , and only then
Done
Next

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

What make you think that a possible alien craft, or inter-dimensional phenomena, or future human object, or whatever, needs to conform to your basic understanding of today's physics?

Because it is science
Known science
I recommend you do some basic research in Physics
Start with a low level read of E=MC^2
Come to understand gravity , light , energy , etc.
Get away from the science fiction novels for a while

Get back to me after you do
Then , and only then
Done
Next

Understood that when you resort to veiled insults, that the argument is lost.

Agreed that we are done, because our exchange has brought absolutely no help to the thread.

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

No.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: Nothin

You're free to believe whatever you want.

I believe in the Laws of Physics
I dont believe in science fiction

Yea a mind should remain open. But , not to the point stuff falls out.

To be fair to science though, there could easily be technology that could do what you say is impossible.

The The 1966 Burkes Flat "bent headlight beams" case comes to mind.

Thats not being fair to science
The amount of energy needed to bend light is astounding
Take for instance the Sun's mass

Yes , the refraction or reflection of light is possible.
NOT "bending" . That takes a whale of a lot of gravitational influence

...so by your own statements - bending of light is simply a matter of very high energy requirements ?
Is that correct ?

...therefore it is incorrect to state that you "can't bend light".

...my point being, you've made blanket statements that are demonstrably false.

The fact that objects with large amounts of gravity bend light disproves your statement (lots of papers out there on it, I'm sure you're aware of them) and black holes are another example of a naturally occurring phenomena that again disproves the statement "you can't bend light".

Clearly it's very possible for light to to bent and distorted.
Your first post in this thread literally states light can be bent with a sufficiently strong gravity field.

Perhaps posting relevant information rather than blanket statements would have been more useful to the thread ?

www.physicsforums.com...

"Any mass at all will bend light. Gm/(r*c^2) where G is the gravitational constant, m is the mass you're considering, r is the radius from the center of mass to the light path, c is the speed of light. The result is in radians. I saw a rough calculation that says the mass of the Earth can bend a beam about 10^-9 radians."

- so in terms of the thread subject - it would be correct to state that bending of light requires extreme amounts of energy or a very large mass - in terms of publicly understood physics ?

Would that be a fair statement ?

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

No.

I just watched a video where a scientist used water and sugar to bend light.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

No.

I just watched a video where a scientist used water and sugar to bend light.

That was refraction , not bending
Anyone can do refraction.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

No.

That was refraction , not bending

I just watched a video where a scientist used water and sugar to bend light.

Everyone is using the word 'bending' light when performing this experiment.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: mazzroth
I don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...my understanding of gravity is that it is an attractive force and not a repulsive force, so when Bob said the gravity generator pushed his hand away then either he is making it up or something else is at play and not gravity. Either anti gravity or anti matter perhaps?

Isn't the slingshot force from gravity a repulsive force?

No.

That was refraction , not bending

I just watched a video where a scientist used water and sugar to bend light.

Everyone is using the word 'bending' light when performing this experiment.

Yes , which is a false use of the term
See if you can follow
Think solar eclipse
Think of light from behind the sun being seen around the edges and "slowed down"
This is caused by a bend in the space/time fabric due to an immense gravitational field