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NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad

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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:51 PM
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The President can't fix the immigration crisis. That is Congress's duty/purview. The fact that President Trump is trying to go it alone speaks volumes about his character, and love of America and its Citizens.



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

Did the "other side" bring that before the Judge Panel ? 😬


I wonder if they did laundry along the way for the last few months...most likely not. A big issue is no one but medical personal and verified parents can touch these kids, that is also a big security concern to protect them. I guess religious organizations can bring clothing, but I'm not sure if the Government can take them to Walmart to buy them new clothes or wash their old cloths. BTW kids with dirty snot covered clothes is somewhat of a norm..... That is what they do, and I bet their clothes was like that long before they finally ended up in a detention center for processing.


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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 07:58 PM
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At one point, Judge Berzon asked, "Have you considered whether you might go back and consider whether you really want to continue this appeal?" And Judge A. Wallace Tashima reminded Fabian that, "It's within everybody's common understanding that if you don't have a toothbrush, you don't have soap, you don't have a blanket, those are not safe and sanitary."



The administration is appealing a federal judge’s June 2017 ruling that immigration officials were violating a 1997 court settlement requiring unaccompanied minors in federal custody to be kept in safe and sanitary conditions before being released to relatives or sponsors as promptly as possible. U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee of Los Angeles found that youths held in the Rio Grande Valley in Texas were being denied basic necessities and appointed a monitor to oversee compliance.


www.sfchronicle.com...



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:00 PM
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Did they come alone? Were the adults with them ACTUALLY their relatives, with their best interest in mind?


How does the answer to that question effect whether or not these children deserve basic human rights, a safe and sanitary place to stay?



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Worse was happening under Obama, i gave a link showing obama admnistration allowed human traffickers to use these children... And at least at one point during O's era over 30,000 of these children were in "those cages..."

In fact even back then it was claimed Obama's detention centers were violating the Flores agreement...

Where were the MASSIVE demands from left-wingers like yourself demanding Obama to solve this problem and SOLVE IT NOW??...


Mr. Obama’s Dubious Detention Centers

By The Editorial Board

July 18, 2016

The family detention centers the Obama administration has been operating in Texas and Pennsylvania have been an expedient way to handle the soaring numbers of Central Americans, many of them young children, who have arrived at the Southern border since 2014. They give a sense that Homeland Security has the border situation under control, and they supposedly send a message to other would-be refugees not to come.

But these privately run, unlicensed lockups are no place for children. Or mothers. Their existence belies President Obama’s oft-professed concern for the humane treatment of people fleeing crime and violence in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

And the centers stand on dubious legal ground. Last year, a district judge ruled that the administration was violating a 1997 court-ordered settlement, called the Flores agreement, that governs the treatment of underage migrants who seek asylum or enter the country illegally. The judge said the children were being held for too long, and ordered the administration to release them as quickly as possible to the care of relatives or other guardians as their cases move through the immigration courts.

The administration appealed, saying that the agreement applied only to children who had crossed the border alone, not those who were accompanied by parents or other adult relatives. On July 6, the Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit disagreed, upholding the district ruling that Flores covers all children, accompanied or not. But it said the administration could still detain their parents.
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www.nytimes.com...



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:13 PM
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Here are a couple more links.

Obama Held More Than Double the Number of Children in Shelters Compared to Trump White House

70,000 Kids Will Show Up Alone at Our Border This Year. What Happens to Them?

The above link is from Mother Jones.

Where were the massive protests by left-wingers back then? This happened during both of Obama's terms, those children were held in the same detention centers being used today. Yet there were no massive protests from the left, or false claims from democrats in power whom ALL OF THEM knew this was happening...




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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:16 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa




Did they come alone? Were the adults with them ACTUALLY their relatives, with their best interest in mind?


How does the answer to that question effect whether or not these children deserve basic human rights, a safe and sanitary place to stay?



Because if the people that brought them here were NOT family or had their best interests at heart, then they MUST be kept somewhere or adopted/fostered, right? Especially since you have moved the discussion goalposts, what 3 times now? I've offered suggestions to address this Flores situation, and not a single peep from you.

I offered a compromise, you ignored it and changed it to "think of the children", right on bloody cue.



ETA: Oh, another thought. Perhaps I should search through YOUR post history here on ATS during the Obama administration. You know, to find any threads or posts of you railing against his policies that were exactly the same as the current administration. In fact, in some ways it was worse.

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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: gallop

Sigh...


President Trump is delaying immigration raids that were set to begin this weekend, saying he will give Congress two weeks to make changes to asylum law before dispatching Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents around the country to deport undocumented immigrants.


www.wuft.org...

The "Law and Order" president hates the law.



Illegals are not asylum seekers, sook.

Sigh indeed...



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder



These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations


Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.


So, coming in and sneaking around undocumented is a right guaranteed under international treaty now?

Oh but they're asylum seekers, I forgot you moved the goalposts to continue your argument. Orange man honk reeeee..
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

So it in fact does not specify !!!!! 😨



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:37 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder



These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations


Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.




Isn't a U.S. Embassy legally considered U.S. soil....and therefore, a great place to apply for asylum without risking your life (and the lives of those precious children) in a dangerous trek of thousands of miles?



No, you cannot seek US asylum from a US embassy.


The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States grants asylum only to aliens who are physically present in the United States.
it.usembassy.gov...


To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States
www.uscis.gov...


How about we try to change that law to include U.S. Embassies? It would save all those children from the dangerous journey's, and protect U.S. citizens from potential spread of disease when they get here (since they could be screened where they claim asylum).

I'd be OK with that type of legislation to protect the children, both outside and inside this country.



Then we'd probably have a worse situation, with people setting up camps on the embassy grounds. And then we'd have public outcry about a facility that wasn't even meant to house a whole bunch of people, therefore we'd end up having to expand every embassy around the world to include that capability.


Putting it that way, the democrats will be all over it in a heartbeat!

Lol



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:39 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: gallop

Sigh...


President Trump is delaying immigration raids that were set to begin this weekend, saying he will give Congress two weeks to make changes to asylum law before dispatching Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents around the country to deport undocumented immigrants.


www.wuft.org...

The "Law and Order" president hates the law.



It is my understanding that him giving Congress time to change asylum law is because the ones who are going to be deported have not qualified for asylum.
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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:41 PM
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Why not setup detention facilities inside the "Sanctuary Cities" since they want to protect them and care for them...even to the extent of ignoring federal immigration laws. That's the solution, have centers created and staffed in Sanctuary cities to make sure these poor children are properly cared for and not living in filth and squalor (while citizens outside the facility there actually do live in filth and squalor).




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posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:42 PM
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I offered a compromise, you ignored it and changed it to "think of the children", right on bloody cue.


That's what this thread is about, (Thread Title: NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad) the Trump administration willingly denying these children, who they took legal custody of, basic human rights. It's not about their parents or their guardians. It's about the Trump administration using a human rights crisis for political gain, at the expense of innocent children.



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa




I offered a compromise, you ignored it and changed it to "think of the children", right on bloody cue.


That's what this thread is about, (Thread Title: NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad) the Trump administration willingly denying these children, who they took legal custody of, basic human rights. It's not about their parents or their guardians. It's about the Trump administration using a human rights crisis for political gain, at the expense of innocent children.



See my previous post above yours with my solution.



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa




I offered a compromise, you ignored it and changed it to "think of the children", right on bloody cue.


That's what this thread is about, (Thread Title: NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad) the Trump administration willingly denying these children, who they took legal custody of, basic human rights. It's not about their parents or their guardians. It's about the Trump administration using a human rights crisis for political gain, at the expense of innocent children.



Oh, and my earlier recommendation regarding asylum seekers (which you brought up) would have solved this issue by preventing it in the first place. But then, that is a ling-term thought process, and beyond many of the left-leaning thinkers.



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: gallop

Sigh...


President Trump is delaying immigration raids that were set to begin this weekend, saying he will give Congress two weeks to make changes to asylum law before dispatching Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents around the country to deport undocumented immigrants.


www.wuft.org...

The "Law and Order" president hates the law.


It is my understanding that he is giving Congress time to change asylum law is because the ones who are going to be deported have not qualified for asylum.


Trump want to change asylum laws because of so called loop holes in the law, not because these poor people were denied under current asylum laws. Jeff Session even made asylum rules harder, eliminating gang and domestic violence issues from eligibility.


The Trump administration is crafting a new legislative package that they hope will close immigration "loopholes." Among the measures: ending special safeguards that prevent children arrested at the border and traveling alone from being immediately deportation.




The administration also wants Congress to terminate a 1997 court settlement that requires the government to release children from custody to parents, adult relatives or other caretakers as their cases make their way through immigration court. Officials say many children never show up at their hearings.

patch.com...



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:51 PM
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Oh, and my earlier recommendation regarding asylum seekers (which you brought up) would have solved this issue by preventing it in the first place.


You mean that you would propose to end asylum in the USA?



posted on Jun, 23 2019 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: dragonridr

You cannot claim asylum from an embassy. You can only claim asylum if you are standing inside the borders of the USA.

Persons interested in being considered for the US Refugee Program should contact the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR).



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