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NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad

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posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

NOPE... You are wrong again. Obama is still known as the "POTUS whom has deported the most illegal immigrants."

Obama Has Deported More People Than Any Other President

Why Trump Deports Fewer Immigrants Than Obama
Sanctuary states and cities are slowing the expulsions.


When Obama was deporting entire families the left did not stop him AT ALL, not even you posted one thread or post demanding Obama stop this "inhumane treatment of illegals..."

Whom Obama and his administration "caught and released" were VIOLENT illegal immigrants.

Obama Administration Releases Violent Illegal Immigrants; Guess What Happens?

I made a thread about this some years back with links to the documents proving Obama was releasing VIOLENT illegal immigrants meanwhile deporting regular illegals, who are still criminals.

Letter: Obama Administration Releasing Violent Illegal Immigrants Back into U.S. Towns

This was in one year alone. In my threat I posted links to documents showing year by year how many of these illegal violent criminals was the Obama administration releasing.

Re port Shows Obama Administration Released 68,000 Convicted Criminal Aliens Inside US Last Year

The "catch and release" policy was used to allow any illegal, who would claim to be a student even thought they were adults, to stay in the U.S. illegally.

There were a couple of immigration officials who even testified to this and that Obama gave these orders.

As examples, in 2013:


U.S. immigration officials released thousands of rapists, murderers, kidnappers and other violent criminals in 2013, report says

A Center for Immigration Studies report says ICE released 36,007 criminals who committed a combined total of 87,818 crimes in 2013
Of those, 17,228 convictions were for minor traffic violations and 15,635 came from DUIs
Other crimes were more serious, including 9,187 dangerous drug convictions, 426 sexual assault convictions, 303 kidnapping convictions, 193 homicide convictions, 1,317 domestic violence convictions and 1,075 aggravated assault convictions
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Link

In 2014

DHS released another 30,000 criminal aliens onto streets
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Overall, ICE released 30,558 criminal aliens in fiscal year 2014, which is down from the 36,007 criminals released a year before.
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www.washingtontimes.com...



New Data Show Immigrant Gang Arrests
Disproportionately associated with the most violent Central American gangs

By Jessica Vaughan, March 27, 2015
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In 2013 (the most recent year available), ICE arrested significant numbers of gang members in California, Texas, Chicago, and the New York City and Washington, DC, metropolitan areas. Large concentrations also were arrested by ICE agents in Atlanta, Charlotte, and south Florida.
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This recent record calls into question President Obama's claim that gang members are among the highest priorities for enforcement. The administration has been severely criticized for legalizing known illegal alien gang members in the controversial Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, including Emmanuel Jesus Rangel-Hernandez, who has been arrested in North Carolina for the murder of four people.
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CIS obtained the ICE data through a Freedom of Information Act request as part of ongoing research on transnational gangs and ICE anti-gang enforcement programs. It shows that the most violent gang members arrested by ICE were disproportionately associated with the Central American gangs, including MS-13.
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cis.org...


President Obama's "Deferred Action" Program for Illegal Aliens Is Plainly Unconstitutional

By Jan Ting December 2014

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2. Criminal Aliens Never Had It So Good

And what about criminal aliens, whose removal has supposedly so exhausted ICE resources that the government has nothing left for the arrest and removal of less dangerous illegal aliens? In fact, the FY2014 ICE statistics reveal that the number of criminal aliens removed from the interior has declined 39 percent since FY2011 and that nearly 167,000 convicted criminals who have been released by ICE are currently at large.52

Once again, the testimony of career officials belies the administration's propaganda. In his 2013 testimony to Congress, ICE officer Chris Crane explained that, contrary to the claim that "deferred action" was freeing up resources to focus on detaining criminals, DACA was being used to prevent ICE officers from inspecting and detaining jailed illegal aliens:

News has spread quickly through illegal alien populations within jails and communities that immigration agents have been instructed by the agency not to investigate illegal aliens who claim protections from immigration arrest under DACA. ICE immigration agents have been instructed to accept the illegal alien's claim as to whether or not he or she graduated or is attending high school or college or otherwise qualifies under DACA. Illegal aliens are not required to provide officers with any kind of proof such as a diploma or transcripts to prove they qualify before being released. ... As one immigration agent stated last week, "every person we encounter in the jails now claims to qualify for release under DACA."
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cis.org...



edit on 24-6-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.




posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 11:37 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

WOW EU, You're really obsessed with Obama! ODS! LOL

But, Obama isn't president anymore, Trump is. And Trump is the one whose administration told the court they didn't need to provide basic necessities to children their custody. It's Trump's administration that enacted the no tolerance policy that has detention centers over run with kids who have been separated from their parents. It's Trump who is willing to terrorize the migrant community and torture children, for political points, not Obama.

And, if you read my posts in this thread, you'd know that I said that Obama has still deported more than Trump, and he didn't have to torture or terrorize anyone for political points.


edit on 24-6-2019 by Sookiechacha because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 24 2019 @ 11:51 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

WOW EU, You're really obsessed with Obama! ODS! LOL
...


Unlike you with Trump, we do have real concerns for what Obama, and the left in general, have done. To this day Obama/Clinton/the left have been doing everything you can to label as "racists, bigots" etc Americans and legal residents, including minorities, whom support Trump. You have nothing but LIES about your beef with Trump. Obama was the real dictator wannabe. But of course you won't admit facts, meanwhile living in your fantasy world making up LIES about Trump.


BTW, keep making up LIES about what Trump has done. i have shown EVIDENCE corroborating my argument, you have presented NONE... Even the court who ruled against Obama agreed that Illegal children could be separated from their parents, and OBAMA WAS STILL SEPARATING CHILDREN. I showed a link to several photos taken in the detention centers in 2014 and children were by themselves without any parent or adult except staff members. Yet you keep lying because that's all you have.



edit on 24-6-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 12:05 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

The picture on the left, those people didn't live through it. They were murdered.

The picture on the right, those people are, to the best of our knowledge, alive. They weren't murdered.

But, you go right ahead and keep up your false equivalencies.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 12:29 AM
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MEXICO deploys 15,000 Troops to the US-Mex border.

twitter.com...

Meanwhile, our very own Congress wants a pay-raise... for doing what?




posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 12:32 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

BTW, since it's obvious you are blind as well. The Obama administration did not give blankets to many of the children in cages, many only had tinfoil for blankets and slept with a #ty matress, or even nothing else but a dirty blanket on the floor...

Since at least 2009-2010 the Obama administration had ALL illegal children and their parents living in these conditions...


From:


By WNN Editors Team on August 25, 2014
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Unaccompanied child migrants face extra trauma once inside U.S.



From:


Marcelo Suárez-Orozco | August 25, 2014
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UCLA faculty voice: Immigration is a family matter



From:

Obama's Illegal Detention Centers



From:

Prayer for the Week July 20 2014 Help for Immigrant Children in Detention

I could keep on going showing these photos, Obama was doing this since around 2009-2010 until the end of both his administrations, but there were no massive protests by left-wingers, and you were not demanding what you are of your current POTUS, Trump...

Where were you then protesting that Obama allowed illegal children to be separated from their parents and lived in such horrid conditions?...



edit on 25-6-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: correct link.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 12:35 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
MEXICO deploys 15,000 Troops to the US-Mex border.

twitter.com...

Meanwhile, our very own Congress wants a pay-raise... for doing what?



Mexico's version of a Mobil-Transportable-Wall.

Paid for too and very effective 😎



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Should the guards not have brown shirts on and Jackboots?

First World nation my arse.


Your all back of the Bus these days America, God knows what the feck went wrong???



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 08:15 AM
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Friendly reminder that Democrats are responsible for the conditions in the detention centers. Their latest bill purposefully underfunds the detention centers.

They're using these kids as pawns. They're purposefully creating these conditions so they can argue anyone else coming over the border shouldn't be detained since the centers are full and the conditions are bad. If you support this, you are scum and you don't actually care about these people. All you care about is your partisan agenda.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: seagull

That's your bar?

Desperate people, who risked their lives, trekked hundreds of miles through dangerous gang and cartel territories, looking for refuge and mercy, only to have their children ripped from their arms and then both children and parents caged and treated worse than animals, as a planned deterrent to dissuade people like them.

Thousands of them will never be reunited, because their parents have been deported and/or the Trump administration neglected to keep records and lost them, some because their children died in federal custody.

But hey, at least we're not sending them to gas chambers!



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Asylum seekers are fleeing their homes and running for their lives.

Sigh...

90%+ of them are not truly asylum seekers, they are gaming the system.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:08 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You know what I don't see in any of those pictures of the unaccompanied minors that the Obama Administration had to deal with? I don't see any pictures of babies and toddlers who have been forcefully taken from their parents, as a cruel and public punishment for daring to enter our country seeking asylum, sobbing, drinking from bottles that haven't been washed for days, sitting in dirty diapers, crusted in snot and tears, hungry, cold, sick, terrified and neglected.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Asylum seekers are fleeing their homes and running for their lives.

Sigh...

90%+ of them are not truly asylum seekers, they are gaming the system.


That's the excuse. These illegal sub-human lazy beggars don't deserve refuge.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: tanstaafl

So says Mike Pence, the Christian, after Jess Session removed gang violence and domestic violence victims from eligibility.

So... shouold American living in inner cities be able to claim asylum in Canada because the inner cities are overrun by gangs?

Sorry, those two conditions don't meet the requirements for Asylum.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: tanstaafl

"Are you advocating just as strongly for American kids living their lives in the same conditions in the big city Ghettos in America?"

Yes. I've even donated money and time to help kids in my own city. How is this even a question? Don't you help those that you can when you can?

If true, then good on ya mate.

Now... can you see a difference between helping American kids in need, and the rest of the world?

Sadly, we simply do not have the resources to help everyone.

I help people when I can, but have learned the hard way that most people who claim to need help, don't, they're just parasites living off the charity and good will of others - like the 'bum' begging for bucks at the street corner, who, at the end of his day, walks to the parking lot and gets in his 2 year old Mercedes and drives home to his paid for house.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:14 AM
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a reply to: tanstaafl


The loved ones they long for are among the thirty-seven thousand currently classified as missing in Mexico. Most are presumed dead. Many of the missing are likely among the quarter of a million to have been murdered or disappeared since 2006, according to the Wall Street Journal.
medium.com...@aidandonovan3/cartels-gangs-and-criminal-syndicates-are-tearing-apart-central-america-f1dde6413663



On November 19, the bodies of sisters Maria Jose and Sofia Alvarado were found dumped in a grave outside the provincial town of Santa Barbara in western Honduras. In a country that has the highest murder rate in the world – in 2012, it registered 90.4 murders per 100 000 population, more than twice that of neighbouring El Salvador and Guatemala – most victims are poor and nameless.
theconversation.com...



More Salvadorans have been killed since the end of the country’s 12-year civil war in 1992, than during the entire conflict which killed an estimated 75,000 people
www.reuters.com...


The Northern Triangle is one of the world’s most violent areas, with drug trafficking, gangs and other actors of organized crime fueling a high regional murder rate. In 2015, a total of 17,422 murders were committed across the Northern Triangle countries. The region is home to around 31 million people, but the violence has been causing a mass exodus of Central Americans trying to illegally enter the United States every year.
www.humanosphere.org...



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
So what are the majority in your opinion?

Freeloaders...?


"What I and the people I've spoken to are concerned about is the threat posed to the fabric of our society"
That's called fear.

Do you not understand the difference between concern and fear?



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: vonclod
When you put someone into federal custody, you(figuratively) are responsible for their care, they become a ward of the state..understand?

When trying to care for thousands of people who should not even be here, it takes money... understand?

When certain people in Congress refuse to fund the BP to provide the funding they need to care for the people in custody, the fact that there is no money to provide basic care for them is on those people in Congress... understand?

Besides... if you read, you'll find the conditions are not as bad as the article makes it sound.

You'll also read that BP agents are paying for things out of their own pockets...

So, go yell at the democrats in Congress who are refusing to properly fund the BP.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
That's the excuse. These illegal sub-human lazy beggars don't deserve refuge.

Leave out the ad hominems, and yeah, they don't qualify for Asylum under international law.

Sorry, but we simply don't have the resources to care for the worlds poor.



posted on Jun, 25 2019 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
The Northern Triangle is one of the world’s most violent areas, with drug trafficking, gangs and other actors of organized crime fueling a high regional murder rate. In 2015, a total of 17,422 murders were committed across the Northern Triangle countries. The region is home to around 31 million people, but the violence has been causing a mass exodus of Central Americans trying to illegally enter the United States every year.

So... sounds like these countries need to clean up their acts.

But again - there is a legal definition of the requirements for claiming asylum.

These conditions don't meet the requirements.

If you think they should, go advocate for changing the legal definition to include them, then we'll have something to discuss.




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