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originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.
Then why don’t the liberals as a collective do something instead of scream orange man bad ?
Failure to enact legislation to stop the onslaught and close the loopholes endangers far more children than previously .
Yet I see no movement from the Democrats to slow the flow of illegal refugees.
By not taking any action and screaming about cruelty. . The Left is in fact using children’s suffering in a Partisan way that is to their advantage .
Despite the position both you and I have taken.
Liberals aren’t attacking their own.
They’re only projecting outwards .
The tactic is no different than when Democrats climb a top a pile of bodies to preach gun control .
You're missing the point.
The goal isn't to "slow the flow of illegal refugees"
The goal is to instead make it not illegal to walk in here and stay without having to jump through hoops and spend alot of $$.
If you cannot afford the cost of entry, then stay home.
You can;t just walk into a hotel like the Ritz Carlton and demand a room, that you will not pay for, because you are destitute. Try it sometime...then report back to us what happened.
Cost of entry is a reality....nobody says it must be free. After all, once here, "free stuff" is actually paid by legal residents via their tax $$$.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.
Then why don’t the liberals as a collective do something instead of scream orange man bad ?
Failure to enact legislation to stop the onslaught and close the loopholes endangers far more children than previously .
Yet I see no movement from the Democrats to slow the flow of illegal refugees.
By not taking any action and screaming about cruelty. . The Left is in fact using children’s suffering in a Partisan way that is to their advantage .
Despite the position both you and I have taken.
Liberals aren’t attacking their own.
They’re only projecting outwards .
The tactic is no different than when Democrats climb a top a pile of bodies to preach gun control .
You're missing the point.
The goal isn't to "slow the flow of illegal refugees"
The goal is to instead make it not illegal to walk in here and stay without having to jump through hoops and spend alot of $$.
If you cannot afford the cost of entry, then stay home.
You can;t just walk into a hotel like the Ritz Carlton and demand a room, that you will not pay for, because you are destitute. Try it sometime...then report back to us what happened.
Cost of entry is a reality....nobody says it must be free. After all, once here, "free stuff" is actually paid by legal residents via their tax $$$.
Are you serious? Cost of entry?
This is a country, it's a society not a hotel...
For these people this isn't a vacation..
This is their life and livelihood.
They didn't chose where they were born. They didn't chose their situation.
Your perspective is disgusting to be honest.
It's almost like that was and still is true for some people, but other people just repeat the words because it sounds so cool and brave, even if they actually don't feel it at all... Reality tells that only a few people actually feel like that, most of the other ones are just using the words for their own benefit Who knows who's who anymore
originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Krakatoa
See the comment on 1882. As long as it was believed you could somehow support yourself, and not Chinese, you were let in. Those who came in through other means were not tracked (as coming in through other means, would imply some method of support to get in elsewhere).
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Malisa
It's almost like that was and still is true for some people, but other people just repeat the words because it sounds so cool and brave, even if they actually don't feel it at all... Reality tells that only a few people actually feel like that, most of the other ones are just using the words for their own benefit Who knows who's who anymore
I'm sad now.
Your anime aviator belies your dark since of truth.
Welcome to ats, malisa.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: mtnshredder
If they turned them away at the border and sent them back where they came from we wouldn’t have this problem now would we?
But that feels so unamerican. Don't you think? I know the patriot in me cringes when people say this.
We need to fix the border issues while at the same time honer the spirit of america and treating these people with more respected as human beings.
We can do this. We're america goddammit!
If we keep letting them in undocumented, then we wont be America much longer. e will go bankrupt at the very least.
I am all in favor of LEGAL immigration. That is how my g-parents got here at the turn of the 20th Century. But unfettered ILLEGAL immigration is simply not sustainable.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.
Then why don’t the liberals as a collective do something instead of scream orange man bad ?
Failure to enact legislation to stop the onslaught and close the loopholes endangers far more children than previously .
Yet I see no movement from the Democrats to slow the flow of illegal refugees.
By not taking any action and screaming about cruelty. . The Left is in fact using children’s suffering in a Partisan way that is to their advantage .
Despite the position both you and I have taken.
Liberals aren’t attacking their own.
They’re only projecting outwards .
The tactic is no different than when Democrats climb a top a pile of bodies to preach gun control .
You're missing the point.
The goal isn't to "slow the flow of illegal refugees"
The goal is to instead make it not illegal to walk in here and stay without having to jump through hoops and spend alot of $$.
If you cannot afford the cost of entry, then stay home.
You can;t just walk into a hotel like the Ritz Carlton and demand a room, that you will not pay for, because you are destitute. Try it sometime...then report back to us what happened.
Cost of entry is a reality....nobody says it must be free. After all, once here, "free stuff" is actually paid by legal residents via their tax $$$.
Are you serious? Cost of entry?
This is a country, it's a society not a hotel...
For these people this isn't a vacation..
This is their life and livelihood.
They didn't chose where they were born. They didn't chose their situation.
Your perspective is disgusting to be honest.
The reality is that it does cost time and money to enter legally. That is a fact, accept that as reality. Anything less is breaking the laws in place and makes you illegal if you enter. I didn't setup the process, and frankly, I think it costs too much and takes too long. But, as I said, if you cannot afford the entry costs, then stay home and try to change your own country. Or, find a sponsor that will fund you and sponsor your life here while you go through the process.
See, I think following the law is honorable and expect everyone to do the same. It is not a personal thing as you are trying to make it be here. "Feelz" does not pay for the food and shelter, or the stolen SSN or lost wages of a citizen whose job was taken by an illegal immigrant. The fact that you are a child of illegal immigrants tells me you have no honor and care not what the laws are, because your feelings are more important.
That. to me. is disgusting and cheapens EVERYONE that does it legally.
You should be ashamed....seriously.
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.
Then why don’t the liberals as a collective do something instead of scream orange man bad ?
Failure to enact legislation to stop the onslaught and close the loopholes endangers far more children than previously .
Yet I see no movement from the Democrats to slow the flow of illegal refugees.
By not taking any action and screaming about cruelty. . The Left is in fact using children’s suffering in a Partisan way that is to their advantage .
Despite the position both you and I have taken.
Liberals aren’t attacking their own.
They’re only projecting outwards .
The tactic is no different than when Democrats climb a top a pile of bodies to preach gun control .
You're missing the point.
The goal isn't to "slow the flow of illegal refugees"
The goal is to instead make it not illegal to walk in here and stay without having to jump through hoops and spend alot of $$.
If you cannot afford the cost of entry, then stay home.
You can;t just walk into a hotel like the Ritz Carlton and demand a room, that you will not pay for, because you are destitute. Try it sometime...then report back to us what happened.
Cost of entry is a reality....nobody says it must be free. After all, once here, "free stuff" is actually paid by legal residents via their tax $$$.
Are you serious? Cost of entry?
This is a country, it's a society not a hotel...
For these people this isn't a vacation..
This is their life and livelihood.
They didn't chose where they were born. They didn't chose their situation.
Your perspective is disgusting to be honest.
The reality is that it does cost time and money to enter legally. That is a fact, accept that as reality. Anything less is breaking the laws in place and makes you illegal if you enter. I didn't setup the process, and frankly, I think it costs too much and takes too long. But, as I said, if you cannot afford the entry costs, then stay home and try to change your own country. Or, find a sponsor that will fund you and sponsor your life here while you go through the process.
See, I think following the law is honorable and expect everyone to do the same. It is not a personal thing as you are trying to make it be here. "Feelz" does not pay for the food and shelter, or the stolen SSN or lost wages of a citizen whose job was taken by an illegal immigrant. The fact that you are a child of illegal immigrants tells me you have no honor and care not what the laws are, because your feelings are more important.
That. to me. is disgusting and cheapens EVERYONE that does it legally.
You should be ashamed....seriously.
I'm not a child of an illegal immigrant. I'm a 30 year old white dude born and raised here by a lineage of ppl who have been here a long while.
People that are close to me however, have family that weren't legal at one point.
I have empathy.
it just happens here, electronically (i.e. remote to the application country). This is the 21st Century, so doing things remotely makes more sense than in-person stuff. They could bring them into the embassy, with a teleconference for them to be in front of the judge from the embassy. This is not a high-cost thing to implement by any means.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Did they come alone? Were the adults with them ACTUALLY their relatives, with their best interest in mind?
How does the answer to that question effect whether or not these children deserve basic human rights, a safe and sanitary place to stay?
I keep thinking the same thing.
Should the first priority be feeding and cleaning up those kids no mater why they are there? If their that dirt and hungry.
They are just kids after all.
Unless america has severally changed from when I was young we don't turn away starving dirty children. Even when we know some are being used for leverage. We don't have to let those using them for leverage win. Feeding and cleaning kids gets them no closer to whatever goal they have.
Taking care of the kids is something we can do while we debate what to do about them and the adults.
The issue is the quantity over the short period of time. You might be able to cloth and feed 1, 2, heck even 6 or 7 yourself. However, what if 100 are at your door? Then what do you do? We are talking tens of thousands here nationally, and more on the way. the system is being overrun, and why? Is it for political power chess by the parties?
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: Lucidparadox
originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.
Then why don’t the liberals as a collective do something instead of scream orange man bad ?
Failure to enact legislation to stop the onslaught and close the loopholes endangers far more children than previously .
Yet I see no movement from the Democrats to slow the flow of illegal refugees.
By not taking any action and screaming about cruelty. . The Left is in fact using children’s suffering in a Partisan way that is to their advantage .
Despite the position both you and I have taken.
Liberals aren’t attacking their own.
They’re only projecting outwards .
The tactic is no different than when Democrats climb a top a pile of bodies to preach gun control .
You're missing the point.
The goal isn't to "slow the flow of illegal refugees"
The goal is to instead make it not illegal to walk in here and stay without having to jump through hoops and spend alot of $$.
If you cannot afford the cost of entry, then stay home.
You can;t just walk into a hotel like the Ritz Carlton and demand a room, that you will not pay for, because you are destitute. Try it sometime...then report back to us what happened.
Cost of entry is a reality....nobody says it must be free. After all, once here, "free stuff" is actually paid by legal residents via their tax $$$.
Are you serious? Cost of entry?
This is a country, it's a society not a hotel...
For these people this isn't a vacation..
This is their life and livelihood.
They didn't chose where they were born. They didn't chose their situation.
Your perspective is disgusting to be honest.
The reality is that it does cost time and money to enter legally. That is a fact, accept that as reality. Anything less is breaking the laws in place and makes you illegal if you enter. I didn't setup the process, and frankly, I think it costs too much and takes too long. But, as I said, if you cannot afford the entry costs, then stay home and try to change your own country. Or, find a sponsor that will fund you and sponsor your life here while you go through the process.
See, I think following the law is honorable and expect everyone to do the same. It is not a personal thing as you are trying to make it be here. "Feelz" does not pay for the food and shelter, or the stolen SSN or lost wages of a citizen whose job was taken by an illegal immigrant. The fact that you are a child of illegal immigrants tells me you have no honor and care not what the laws are, because your feelings are more important.
That. to me. is disgusting and cheapens EVERYONE that does it legally.
You should be ashamed....seriously.
I'm not a child of an illegal immigrant. I'm a 30 year old white dude born and raised here by a lineage of ppl who have been here a long while.
People that are close to me however, have family that weren't legal at one point.
I have empathy.
I apologize. Perhaps I have you confused with another ATS member here that recently declared he was the son of an illegal immigrant. And who says an illegal immigrant must be non-white? Are you a bigot too? I don't see colors when I talk about illegal immigration....do you?
However, my statements still stand, regardless.
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: scraedtosleep
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Krakatoa
Did they come alone? Were the adults with them ACTUALLY their relatives, with their best interest in mind?
How does the answer to that question effect whether or not these children deserve basic human rights, a safe and sanitary place to stay?
I keep thinking the same thing.
Should the first priority be feeding and cleaning up those kids no mater why they are there? If their that dirt and hungry.
They are just kids after all.
Unless america has severally changed from when I was young we don't turn away starving dirty children. Even when we know some are being used for leverage. We don't have to let those using them for leverage win. Feeding and cleaning kids gets them no closer to whatever goal they have.
Taking care of the kids is something we can do while we debate what to do about them and the adults.
The issue is the quantity over the short period of time. You might be able to cloth and feed 1, 2, heck even 6 or 7 yourself. However, what if 100 are at your door? Then what do you do? We are talking tens of thousands here nationally, and more on the way. the system is being overrun, and why? Is it for political power chess by the parties?
Still doesn't change the fact that they are here and they are kids. We shouldn't just turn away. Even if I personally don't know what to do I can't just give up and pretend they don't mater.
Using them as pawns makes me want to throw my vote away on third party or not vote at all......
Do you think the illegals coming here really care about you or this country?