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originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Sookiechacha
I don’t understand what?
originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Woodcarver
You don't understand.
originally posted by: Woodcarver
But if it is only your truth, and you know it is not reasonable or even matches what other people who make similar claims say, then why share it? Or even why accept it? You know very well that others make claims that you disagree with. This is the problem with faith. It can justify any belief. So why rely on it?
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: new_here
That is not what religion means or is though.
I don't wish to argue semantics with you, my friend. Define it as you wish, but in any case, the topic is Faith and not Religion.
Just to be clear, I'm just talking about my own personal faith and connection to God. I'm not attempting to tell others to believe as I do. It is MY Truth.
I'm always curious about those who subscribe to the 'religion' of Atheism, though. How they seek to denigrate and insult those who speak of their personal faith. The topic was posed, I said my peace (which included a criticism of organized religion) and those of the Atheist faith pile on with disparaging remarks and attempts to persuade me to their own belief system, when I've done nothing of the sort. What gives? Again I ask, why does my personal Faith vex you so? "TheladyAthiest doth protest too much!"
What's wrong with respecting my right to my own beliefs while saying, "This is the way I see it..." ???
atheism isn’t a religion. It is the dismissal of claims that gods exist.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: new_here
That is not what religion means or is though.
I don't wish to argue semantics with you, my friend. Define it as you wish, but in any case, the topic is Faith and not Religion.
Just to be clear, I'm just talking about my own personal faith and connection to God. I'm not attempting to tell others to believe as I do. It is MY Truth.
I'm always curious about those who subscribe to the 'religion' of Atheism, though. How they seek to denigrate and insult those who speak of their personal faith. The topic was posed, I said my peace (which included a criticism of organized religion) and those of the Atheist faith pile on with disparaging remarks and attempts to persuade me to their own belief system, when I've done nothing of the sort. What gives? Again I ask, why does my personal Faith vex you so? "TheladyAthiest doth protest too much!"
What's wrong with respecting my right to my own beliefs while saying, "This is the way I see it..." ???
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Mach2
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Woodcarver
Sorry, faith does do good. You are clearly not in the medical field, if you were you would know how foolish your statement is. In fact faith is part of assessment because of how valuable it is to long and short-term outcomes. No offense meant by this, but it is always better to comment on things you know.
"Faith" can indeed do some interesting things when dealing with human ailments.
That is also true of placebos though. It is the belief here that is important, not the underlying reality of the treatment.
The only on topic point is that Faith does indeed impact medical outcomes, which you agree with.
originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Sookiechacha
Why should I fall from faith?
originally posted by: Woodcarver
atheism isn’t a religion. It is the dismissal of claims that gods exist.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: new_here
That is not what religion means or is though.
I don't wish to argue semantics with you, my friend. Define it as you wish, but in any case, the topic is Faith and not Religion.
Just to be clear, I'm just talking about my own personal faith and connection to God. I'm not attempting to tell others to believe as I do. It is MY Truth.
I'm always curious about those who subscribe to the 'religion' of Atheism, though. How they seek to denigrate and insult those who speak of their personal faith. The topic was posed, I said my peace (which included a criticism of organized religion) and those of the Atheist faith pile on with disparaging remarks and attempts to persuade me to their own belief system, when I've done nothing of the sort. What gives? Again I ask, why does my personal Faith vex you so? "TheladyAthiest doth protest too much!"
What's wrong with respecting my right to my own beliefs while saying, "This is the way I see it..." ???
It is not a belief. It is the dismissal of claims about gods because there is no evidence to support them.
If you don’t understand anything else, please try to understand that.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Mach2
a reply to: new_here
A big difference is that belief in aliens, or esp is not an inherrent danger to others, while religion is responsibe for countless millions of death, and immeasurable suffering.
So you are claiming faith is an inherent danger?
originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: new_here
But Atheists believe there is no God.
No. Atheists don't believe in your "God", or any "God" that has been hypothetically presented to them. Atheists have an absence of belief, not a belief in absence.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: Woodcarver
But if it is only your truth, and you know it is not reasonable or even matches what other people who make similar claims say, then why share it? Or even why accept it? You know very well that others make claims that you disagree with. This is the problem with faith. It can justify any belief. So why rely on it?
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: new_here
That is not what religion means or is though.
I don't wish to argue semantics with you, my friend. Define it as you wish, but in any case, the topic is Faith and not Religion.
Just to be clear, I'm just talking about my own personal faith and connection to God. I'm not attempting to tell others to believe as I do. It is MY Truth.
I'm always curious about those who subscribe to the 'religion' of Atheism, though. How they seek to denigrate and insult those who speak of their personal faith. The topic was posed, I said my peace (which included a criticism of organized religion) and those of the Atheist faith pile on with disparaging remarks and attempts to persuade me to their own belief system, when I've done nothing of the sort. What gives? Again I ask, why does my personal Faith vex you so? "TheladyAthiest doth protest too much!"
What's wrong with respecting my right to my own beliefs while saying, "This is the way I see it..." ???
I only shared it b/c the topic asked and I weighed in. I'm not knocking on doors or picketing or anything. I do not "know it is not reasonable" --that is your take on it. As for why accept it when others disagree-- people disagree on tons of #, does that mean I drop everything someone disagrees with?
Why do I rely on it? Simply put, it works for me. It leads me to see beyond my human selfishness, my anger, my worries-- towards altruism and generosity and peace of mind. I don't need you to believe me or agree with me. Only to respect that I am worthy to find my own way, just as you are.
Where does this evil come from? Surely faith means something in the Bible and it can have sizes.
Nope. The universe is proof that the universe exists. You would necessarily need to demonstrate that a god created it to make the claim that a god created it.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: Woodcarver
atheism isn’t a religion. It is the dismissal of claims that gods exist.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: new_here
That is not what religion means or is though.
I don't wish to argue semantics with you, my friend. Define it as you wish, but in any case, the topic is Faith and not Religion.
Just to be clear, I'm just talking about my own personal faith and connection to God. I'm not attempting to tell others to believe as I do. It is MY Truth.
I'm always curious about those who subscribe to the 'religion' of Atheism, though. How they seek to denigrate and insult those who speak of their personal faith. The topic was posed, I said my peace (which included a criticism of organized religion) and those of the Atheist faith pile on with disparaging remarks and attempts to persuade me to their own belief system, when I've done nothing of the sort. What gives? Again I ask, why does my personal Faith vex you so? "TheladyAthiest doth protest too much!"
What's wrong with respecting my right to my own beliefs while saying, "This is the way I see it..." ???
It is not a belief. It is the dismissal of claims about gods because there is no evidence to support them.
I put it in "quotes" for a reason dude, because I know it's not considered a religion. But Atheists believe there is no God. Therefore it absolutely IS a belief system.
If you don’t understand anything else, please try to understand that.
A bit condescending, as if you see yourself as the enlightened one attempting to educate the imbecile. I get it-- my faith frustrates you b/c you don't share it and therefore can't fathom it. I feel the same about your beliefs, but let's play nice shall we?
But the definition of atheist is a person who doesn’t believe in gods. Not a person who claims gods don’t exist.