If faith was blind belief, why would it be of such importance?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

And the Earth is made from star dust, but the Bible told us God created the Earth before he created the stars.

Just because we all share the same molecules doesn't mean science knows what order everything came in.

originally posted by: Out6of9Balance
a reply to: Woodcarver

What spirit of life made us from the earth?

Now you are literally begging the question. I have never seen a spirit. I don’t know what that is. Chemical reactions don’t need spirits.

a reply to: Deetermined

"Science knows" that the earth wasn't created before the sun and the other stars in the Milky Way and the universe.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Woodcarver

And i think you mean that we humans, who are also animals, share DNA with every other living thing on the planet, including grass and snails. Which proves beyond any doubt that life here evolved from the same process.

Oh, so now you're going to brush off OccamsRazor04's claims that you can't create life from non-life by admitting that he's right even though you tried to counter him with some lame article about humans being made up of non-organic material? LOL! What science has proven, but only slowly admitting, is that the Bible was right and the organisms we share all come from soil life. Now if you'll only admit that science doesn't have a clue how they all came about originally, especially as it relates to humans having the special ability for critical thinking and expressing emotion.

I have no idea what you mean by the organisms that we share come from soil life? That makes no sense at all.

We share dna with all life. That proves that we all started as simple organisms and then evolved into the various and complex life that we see today. The bible definitely doesn’t say that.

The article i posted explains very clearly that self replicating RNA is very common in nature. RNA is a precurser to DNA.

I’m sorry that you can’t understand what i’m writing, but that doesn’t give you license to make up your own interpretation. Early goat herders obviously saw that people eat stuff growing from the earth and made the unsurprising leap of thought that we are made of earth stuff. When we die, we return to the earth. No god needed to make that connection.

a reply to: Woodcarver

We share dna with all life. That proves that we all started as simple organisms and then evolved into the various and complex life that we see today.

There is no absolute proof of that. That's what we've been trying to tell you, plus you can't prove how something that evolved developed into a complex human being. You don't even know where these "simple organisms" originated from or how they came to be.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

"Science knows" that the earth wasn't created before the sun and the other stars in the Milky Way and the universe.

Really?

In fact, the team estimates that as much as 50% of the water now on Earth may have existed since before the birth of the sun 4.5 billion years ago.

www.sciencemag.org...

Genesis 1:1-2

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

a reply to: Deetermined

Comets. Comets were around before the earth was created. "Science knows" this. "Science knows" that a bunch of stuff flying around in the cosmos is older than the earth's formation. Like I said, the earth was formed with star dust, the debris of supernovas.

Let it go. The Book of Genesis is not a scientific paper.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Woodcarver

We share dna with all life. That proves that we all started as simple organisms and then evolved into the various and complex life that we see today.

There is no absolute proof of that. That's what we've been trying to tell you, plus you can't prove how something that evolved developed into a complex human being. You don't even know where these "simple organisms" originated from or how they came to be.

you don’t think we share DNA with all of the various lifeforms on the planet? Do you know that we have sequenced the DNA of millions of species? We can read those sequences. And we share very important markers that prove beyond any doubt that we are all related. Green algae is a distant cousin. The grass you walk on is your ancestor. Snails are part of your family.

Beyond any doubt. Here are a bunch of links.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

www.quora.com...

bigthink.com...

a reply to: Woodcarver

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I've already confirmed what you've stated above as true, but you can't prove that it all evolved into a complex human or how it evolved into a complex human.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

Comets. Comets were around before the earth was created. "Science knows" this. "Science knows" that a bunch of stuff flying around in the cosmos is older than the earth's formation. Like I said, the earth was formed with star dust, the debris of supernovas.

Let it go. The Book of Genesis is not a scientific paper.

The Bible doesn't tell us when the earth was created. It only tells us that "in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth". Then it tells us that the earth was without form and was void. At some point, God decided to give it form and life, but it doesn't tell us how much time might have lapsed between the two.

a reply to: Deetermined

Genesis says that the "great lights" and the stars were created on the 4th day. Earth was created on the 1st day, according to Genesis.

Science knows this is not true, factual or scientifically accurate. This is mythology.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

Genesis says that the "great lights" and the stars were created on the 4th day. Earth was created on the 1st day, according to Genesis.

Science knows this is not true, factual or scientifically accurate. This is mythology.

Earth was not created on the first day. You might want to read that again.

Genesis 1:1-8

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

As far as the stars, they weren't all created at the same time or were created equal. Research shows that the molecules we share with stars are the ones that are closest to the center of the galaxy, not all of them.

As for God calling the firmament heaven, there are three different types and uses of the word, "heaven", in the Bible. One refers to our sky, one refers to everything above the sky, and one refers to the place that only God resides. That's why there is mention of the "third heaven" in the Bible.

a reply to: Deetermined

It says, as you quoted, that God created the earth on the first day. He spent the next 5 days adorning it. Part of that adornment was placing the lights in the heavens, which he did on the 4th day, according to the mythology.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Woodcarver

I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I've already confirmed what you've stated above as true, but you can't prove that it all evolved into a complex human or how it evolved into a complex human.

What part of all the various forms of life on earth are related do you not understand? We all evolved from the same very early simple form of life. That is the evidence that humans evolved from earlier forms of life.

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

Genesis says that the "great lights" and the stars were created on the 4th day. Earth was created on the 1st day, according to Genesis.

Science knows this is not true, factual or scientifically accurate. This is mythology.

Earth was not created on the first day. You might want to read that again.

Genesis 1:1-8

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

As far as the stars, they weren't all created at the same time or were created equal. Research shows that the molecules we share with stars are the ones that are closest to the center of the galaxy, not all of them.

As for God calling the firmament heaven, there are three different types and uses of the word, "heaven", in the Bible. One refers to our sky, one refers to everything above the sky, and one refers to the place that only God resides. That's why there is mention of the "third heaven" in the Bible.

God made light before he made stars? Does he know that night time comes when the earth spins and the light from the sun is blocked by the rest of the planet?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

It says, as you quoted, that God created the earth on the first day. He spent the next 5 days adorning it. Part of that adornment was placing the lights in the heavens, which he did on the 4th day, according to the mythology.

Wow! Talk about spiritual blindness! The Bible said that God separated light from darkness on the first day and the heavens and earth were created "in the beginning", which doesn't list a timeframe.

a reply to: Woodcarver

God made light before he made stars?

God himself is light and can call it forth anytime he wants. It's also why the Bible says that Jesus is the light of man and why Revelation 21 tells us that in God's house there is no need for the sun and the moon, as Jesus is the light of it.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Woodcarver

God made light before he made stars?

God himself is light and can call it forth anytime he wants. It's also why the Bible says that Jesus is the light of man and why Revelation 21 tells us that in God's house there is no need for the sun and the moon, as Jesus is the light of it.

Can you demonstrate that? Or do i have to take your word for it?

originally posted by: Deetermined

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Deetermined

Genesis says that the "great lights" and the stars were created on the 4th day. Earth was created on the 1st day, according to Genesis.

Science knows this is not true, factual or scientifically accurate. This is mythology.

Earth was not created on the first day. You might want to read that again.

Genesis 1:1-8

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

As far as the stars, they weren't all created at the same time or were created equal. Research shows that the molecules we share with stars are the ones that are closest to the center of the galaxy, not all of them.

As for God calling the firmament heaven, there are three different types and uses of the word, "heaven", in the Bible. One refers to our sky, one refers to everything above the sky, and one refers to the place that only God resides. That's why there is mention of the "third heaven" in the Bible.

All of this is demonstrably unscientific. We know exactly where light comes from and how planets and galaxies are formed.

a reply to: Woodcarver

What part of all the various forms of life on earth are related do you not understand? We all evolved from the same very early simple form of life. That is the evidence that humans evolved from earlier forms of life.

Boy, are you dense! Just because we can prove that we all share the same organisms and molecules doesn't prove that the complexity of human life, the brain, emotions, etc. developed from a plant or a tree. People aren't that stupid. There's quite a few steps in there that you're leaving out, and they are steps that no one has been able to determine through science. As you would say, "you can't demonstrate that"! LOL!

I have to go for now. See you later.