Psychology Today: People Refusing To Date Transgenders Is ‘Dehumanizing’

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
This is a direct result of Marxist progressive professors teaching when they should not have been. Transgender is a sickness like anorexia. Being forced or labeled abnormal for not considering dating one is social engineering at its finest. No normal male is going to date Bruce Jenner. The thought is simply disgusting.

LOL! I would call that maturity rather than mental illness, but your point is well taken.

I wouldn't put it that way, calling it maturity. I feel that it's more the case of these young women feeling that someone as attractive as my friends are, guys who are as attractive as Brad Pitt was in his youthful prime(Legends of the Fall; Interview With The Vampire; 7 years in Tibet) have a lot of options with very attractive women, and I guess many women want to feel appreciated and valued, instead of being seen as someone to spend a night with instead.

Someone who is less attractive than the women in question is more likely to care more about her, and to put more effort into pursuing her and beginning a relationship with her, same goes for maintaining it.

Although, it's kinda hurtful as a man, when some of those women won't hook-up with you for the night instead saying that they will only sleep with you if you date them first. Makes you feel unwanted and undesirable, even more so when you know they've had casual sex with other dudes before you met them.

Nothing wrong with exploring one's options, which teaches us much about ourselves in the process, but at some point most people (hopefully!) learn to appreciate quality over quantity.

Yes, but why is our civilization and the society we've been born into for the past two thousand years still clinging to old worldviews and attitudes regarding sex, sexuality, and sexual fidelity.

Why are way too many women so intent in having a monogamous relationship instead of having a more flexible sort of sexual arrangment? Because women who sleep with several men are seen as easy and as sloots, and they feel men aren't interested in long-term relationships or interested in marriage with women who've been with several men before they met the guy.

I've had women who wanted relationships with me, wanting to make me wait for sex, tell me under the effect of alcohol that they have slept with 5, 10 guys, and then when they're sober they very quietly tell me they've only been with 2 or 3 guys lol. Why do they do that, why do they say this? Because women's sexuality in the west is still deemed to be dirty, disgusting, and in need of being controlled.

Women for the most part don't approach men.

They just stare at dudes and smile because they don't want to be seen as easy, with the only women approaching me outright wanting sex and nothing more than sex being women from cultures where women's sexuality is considered to be beautiful and women aren't thought of as being ''sloots'' for having sex with many men(Brazil, Argentina, Angola, South Africa ec).

I want a free world. A world where women can have sex with 5, 10, 50, 100 men of their own free wheel, because they want to do it, without being judged and penalized by society and men for doing it.

Again, it's part of exploring one's own self and nature, learning about human nature, learning what is important and what's not... all that good stuff! Not just for individuals either, but collectively for society. Moving from an arranged marriage culture to a marrying-for-love culture to a free-love culture has a learning curve.

Yeah, but listen. Human nature has been conditioned and made to bend to the rules of certain human beings, certain men that were in the right place at the right time, and through their military power or through the power of their personality they conceived of religions that bear down on women and men.

The argument of doing what is collectively better for society is a loaded gun that is wrongly handled by men who have no business doing that. It's how the majority of the women who live on this planet are ruled and controlled by men. India, Africa, The Middle-East. Women are doing what is best for ''their'' society, but at what cost? At the cost of personal happiness and that is both infuriating and sad.

Moving from an arranged marriage culture to a marrying-for-love culture to a free-love culture has a learning curve.

Yeah, but marrying for love is not natural, because if it was, we wouldn't have a 54% divorce rate in the US alone, with many of the people not divorcing being religious and thus it being against their religion.

Then you start looking at the marriage and divorce stats in other Countries, with the Country I'm living in the divorce rate being at 70% after only 4 to 7 years, and that's for starter marriages.. yikes, kinda makes you wonder if marriage, co-habitation, and the concept of fatherhood is natural and not man-made to ensure civilization had workers and soldiers willing to dedicate their labor and lives to something other than themselves.

Arranged marriages are also wrong. 10 years ago I was a college student sent to the Middle-East to do work there, and I got myself involved with several Muslim women who couldn't be with me in the open because of that pesky Sharia Law that put their lives at risk, and now they're probably married and have had kids with men they weren't attracted to, weren't in ''love'' with, but hey it's for the best, their society profits from it.

Maybe in some situations, but certainly not in every case. At one time, women did "need" men but ONLY because men had written the laws to make sure of it! Women could not even have a choice to divorce abusive husbands!!!

And they still can't divorce their husbands in most of the world. In western nations, no fault divorce is a reality but it's still true that many millions of women are victims of domestic violence, catcalling, sexual harrasement etc, especially when these women are young and attractive. Everyday I see on the newspaper/TV how more and more women are coming forward with being being beaten up/killed by their husbands, fathers, or sons.

There's a way to fix all of this. End monogamy, end marriage, end co-habitation, populate every Country with sperm banks, and help women raise the babies they have with this top-notch clinic sperm, instead of forcing women into getting married out of necessity, because most women want babies, and they need to be with a man/sleep with a man/marry a man, to ensure the kid is made, and has the best upbringing possible.

a reply to: Ligyron

"I'm not attracted to men either, but I've smashed some men"

The really attractive ones but you aren't attracted to men? I've got some news for you my man.

Were they 10% body fat without doing any exercise also?

You can also stop hating on fat people, I'm a personal trainer. They have a hard enough time with me.

a reply to: Analbumcover

The really attractive ones but you aren't attracted to men? I've got some news for you my man.

Nah, even feeling the wind rustle my hair gives me an erection. Besides, if I don't get a natural erection, it only takes me a couple of seconds of manual power to get one going.

I slept with those men for the same reason someone who has been given free tickets to China will take the tickets and will travel to China even if he was never interested in visiting China.

Because it's free and it's an opportunity that doesn't come often. How many people, men or women will ever sleep with dudes like Sean O'Pry or Lucky Blue Smith? Even most women alive no matter how attractive they will not get the chance to do it, so I do it because life is about experiences, and I want the most experiences I can get before my time on this earth is over with.

Were they 10% body fat without doing any exercise also?

No, those models were pretty much the conventional-looking models we think of when someone mentions the words male model -> i.pinimg.com... like that guy.

They were lower than 10% body fat. 10-12% body fat is what I have, like those guys -> i.ytimg.com...

by following a healthy diet(fresh fish eaten everyday, salads, olive oil, chicken breast, fruits, and veggies) and taking a 10 minute walk every few days.

People Refusing To Date Transgenders Is ‘Dehumanizing’

Personally, I don't give a rat's ass. You cannot expect heterosexuals to forcefully date someone they find repugnant.

a reply to: Thanatos0042

some people are pushing an agenda and instead of everyone trying to get along, they want to control your beliefs and opinions and that's a recipe for disaster.

Very, very true. What it is causing is more and more of "avoidance" of social interaction at any level. I see it in the grandkids; they avoid school social functions like the plague. They have small, tight nit group of friends developed over the years from team mates in baseball and football and those teams were not the "school" teams, but outside leagues.

I haven't heard any news from the Universities or Colleges lately but I'd guess avoidance has become a survival skill at this point. But today there was this story:

www.thecollegefix.com...

“Hey #UT23! Do you wanna be famous? If you join YCT or Turning Point USA, you just might be. Your name and more could end up on an article like one of these,” the tweet said, linking to previous doxxing posts of conservative students at the school. “So be sure to make smart choices at #UTOrientation.”

So........basically an anarchist group warns they'll be watching and doxxing incoming freshmen who sign up with conservative groups at the Freshman orientation.

A friends son, (wanna be engineer) at UT told us that as far as Freshman Orientation is concerned, its something to be "endured" and escaped from as soon as humanly possible after its over.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Anyone want to join me on a time machine back to the 1980's????

Very, very true. What it is causing is more and more of "avoidance" of social interaction at any level.

Nah man, it's not a fantastical trans and gay agenda what is keeping young boys from going out and playing sports with their friends, or going out and talking to girls. It's the chemical addiction most young boys and young men are suffering from which is caused by eletronics, porn, the internet, and this fear so many young males have of competing with each other, because they're afraid of losing.

I feel that's one of the reasons why there are so many young, physically attractive women who are without a boyfriend. It's not a matter of having standards befitting their rank where it concerns physical attractiveness, it's just that to many, way too many young men watching porn is far easier and a lot less effort than it is to talk to women.

Then there's the problem of video games being so realistic and so cheap that boys, and young men don't have much of a motive to get out and explore the world if you know what I'm saying, like visiting other Countries, climbing a hill, swimming in the ocean. They'd rather be on twitch watching other people do it.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Yes, I've seen pictures and videos shown by my parents from back when they were young in the 80's. Everyone was hot, the economy was strong and steady, and jobs were plentiful, and those cars!! damn take me back!

Lol, and god damnit if I don't have the hugest retro crush on Sean Young ->

ep01.epimg.net...

i.pinimg.com...

She was in her early 20s back in the mid 80's 😍

originally posted by: Ligyron

Nah, I don't see it that way. There's this commonly-held notion that women are far more emotional than men are and that a woman's sexuality and sexual desire is strongly tied to her emotional state, and what she feels about a guy, but honestly just visit any beach-resort town filled with young women and men and you'll see that women are as a visually-oriented as men are.

I don't disagree with you on the first point at all.

...I'd say I miss my hair, but it always kinda sucked anyway lol

We tend to glorify too many material things as it is, in my book.

Some scholars have argued that female sexual desires tend to be fluid and receptive, while men’s desires – regardless of whether men are gay or straight – tend to be inflexible and unchanging.

Some scholars...not all scholars. So, we all don't agree with that.

Despite the common belief in the rigidity of male heterosexuality, historians and sociologists have created a substantial body of well-documented evidence showing straight men – not “closeted” gay men – engaging in sexual contact with other men. In many parts of the United States prior to the 1950s, the gay/straight binary distinguished effeminate men (or “fairies”) and masculine men (“normal” men) – not whether or not a man engaged in homosexual sex.

theconversation.com...

Like, you think guys are going to become monks if they are in jail or in the army and haven't see a woman in months, even years? Just ask the Ancient Spartans! most of them were having sex with other men.

I think that once you apply the whole prison thing, you are changing the situation. So, I think apples to oranges here. In prison, people change and do things they may not ever have done before.

"Andy Dufresne - Shawshank Redemption:
I had to go to prison to become a criminal."

When your situation changes too abruptly, so differently you are likely to change with it or be overwhelmed by it.

Greeks had a whole different idea of sexuality and did things that we consider very unacceptable in the modern age, not just the Spartans.

So, as I stated earlier, I believe some people are 100% straight and some people are not. Some people engage in sex acts and fetishes that I find are repulsive, but they don't. We are different creatures of different eras, environments, ages, beliefs and that changes often with age and different generations.

It's all good. Live and let live, love and be loved.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Thanatos0042

Very, very true. What it is causing is more and more of "avoidance" of social interaction at any level. I see it in the grandkids; they avoid school social functions like the plague. They have small, tight nit group of friends developed over the years from team mates in baseball and football and those teams were not the "school" teams, but outside leagues.

I haven't heard any news from the Universities or Colleges lately but I'd guess avoidance has become a survival skill at this point. But today there was this story:

...

So........basically an anarchist group warns they'll be watching and doxxing incoming freshmen who sign up with conservative groups at the Freshman orientation.

A friends son, (wanna be engineer) at UT told us that as far as Freshman Orientation is concerned, its something to be "endured" and escaped from as soon as humanly possible after its over.

I'm not really around any kids or anything, but I could entirely see that. The world has really gotten crazy in the last couple of decades and you are really able to start seeing the effects of it now. I have noticed with a lot of younger generation people that their group of friends has become smaller and much more tight-knit.

Most people just want to live their lives and go about their business, but you do have busybodies who are too interested in pushing their beliefs on other people, whether they are interested in them or not. I never went to college, so I probably missed out on a lot, but I am glad I never have to worry about being in an environment like that.

a reply to: CthruU

I can assure you I never chose to be gay to help wipe out humanity.

I didn't want to be gay

I came to terms with being gay

I'm happy with the skin I live in now.

There are lots of non gay people who I love dearly and wouldn't want to see go extinct.

ETA and by the way who you choose to sleep with or date is entirely your own choice. That's a human right.

a reply to: fastzombie

Yeah, nearly 8 billion human beings, and still there are people who are afraid gay men and women are going to make their children gay, and in that way end the human species.

yikes.

a reply to: Ligyron

First let me say that I really can't seem to keep up here because there's a real problem with ATS today such that when I click on YOUR reply, I'm taken to some one elses reply.

Your right, they aren't avoiding school sponsored activities because of the trans agenda; they're avoiding the school sponsored activities because of all the PC furor that seems to surround everything having to do with the school sponsored activities. What they're avoiding is a seemingly endless number of pitfalls that can get them blamed for any number of inappropriate behaviors or responses or even the lack thereof. The trans agenda is just one small part of that.

And they do play sports but with non-school affiliated neighborhood parent sponsored leagues.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Wait ... why aren't they chastising gays for only dating people of the same sex? Isn't that dehumanizing the same way that only wanting to date people of the opposite sex who are actually that sex would be?

Your right, they aren't avoiding school sponsored activities because of the trans agenda; they're avoiding the school sponsored activities because of all the PC furor that seems to surround everything having to do with the school sponsored activities. What they're avoiding is a seemingly endless number of pitfalls that can get them blamed for any number of inappropriate behaviors or responses or even the lack thereof. The trans agenda is just one small part of that.

The college I went to was 90% female and 10% male, and I never met any guy there who was accused of something he didn't do. And I knew every guy there, considering there were so few of them, and I wasn't interested in swimming in a sea of estrogen all of the time.

There are some men who are wrongly accused of things they don't do, but not the majority, and to avoid women or activities that have people interact with the opposite sex or even with men because they're afraid is only going to result in timid adults who are going to reach their 30s and are going to be bitter because they have no friends(eventually those friends they've had since high school are going to go away, get married etc) or because they've never had the guts to talk to women because of the fear they have, they never had themselves a girlfriend.

a reply to: continuousThunder

I don't date idiots. I don't date assholes. I don't date women ... OMG! I dehumanized myself!

Sorry, but when you have someone who wants to meet a nice guy (or girl) and settle down the traditional way with the standard issue 2.5 kids, dating transpeople just isn't going to be high on their list. It gets in the way of their life goals because you can't really have that traditional lifestyle with them.

a reply to: ketsuko

But how do you know you aren't attracted to men if you've never slept with one? How do you know you enjoy this food or that? Because you've had to try it first, no?!

a reply to: Ligyron

Yeah I know it's possible to be 10% body fat with just diet. You actually have done the hardest part of body building without the building. Well you've got very close for someone that doesn't do anything except walk every now and again.

The training is easy, the diet is hard.

10% on someone that just walks every now and again isn't the same as those joggers you posted. 2 of those guys you could see their quad separation. They are regularly active.

What does any of this have to do with this thread and this article saying people that refuse to date transexuals are dehumanising them though?

I have a type I prefer, you have many. What's the problem?

originally posted by: Ligyron
a reply to: ketsuko

But how do you know you aren't attracted to men if you've never slept with one? How do you know you enjoy this food or that? Because you've had to try it first, no?!

It's pretty easy.

As a hetero woman, I'm either attracted to a guy or I'm not. I don't sleep with them and then decide if they're attractive. And I've never been attracted to any woman, not even the ones I think are good looking.