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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 12:49 PM
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…….Maybe

Drivers License fees : Up by 50% from $30 to $60.
Vehicle registrations fee : from $101 to $150.
Gas tax : up
State tax up
New gun laws : ..........don't get me started on that stupidity. The gangbangers are going to pay attention to the law this time right ?

Of course I'm speaking of that bastion of Freedom known as illinois.
And for what ? to fix the state's financial problems ? HAH!!

My girlfriend and I ....wait... did I mention I have a new girlfriend ? Ok, not new, we've been together since last October and she moved into my house in Feburary, but..new to you guys anyway.

What breaks my heart is that I've been her almost 20 years, raised 3 kids, bought a house that is filled with the happy memories of raising those kids, 3 of my dearest friends are buried in the back yard ( 2 ferrets and 1 cat ) Chirst, I still have the old door frame we marked the kids height on over the years. The Peachtree we planted in the backyard is still there and still reminds me of little dirty hands digging in the dirt and having the time of their lives cause they got to help Dad....and play in the dirt.
The memories of a lifetime echo through this house. Some good..some bad. All of them precious.
My son is in college and will stay till he graduates and will live in the house. My daughter, who is just 18, lives about 20 miles away with her girlfriend, they both have jobs, school and friends and will not be convinced to move with us.
My oldest son, who is 30, is in Texas and doing great.
What do I do if they need me. What if my daughter calls one night and says " Dad I need you " ?
If we go either place we've talked about, I'll be anywhere from 9 to 12 hours away. [ Eastern Ky or Texas ]
How do I walk away ? For my own selfish pride ?


Heart and Pride are in a battle.

I think Heart is goimg to win.




posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

And that's what the scumbag socialists are banking on, that you have a heart and memories and it's harder to leave those behind than move on. It's like psychological extortion, nickeling and dining you to death while you try to hold on to the good things in your life while they corrupt and destroy everything else around you.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:05 PM
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I'd move. Move here to Missouri. Just not Saint Louis city or Kansas City proper. Any of the suburbs are great and housing is generally cheap. Still have the lowest sin taxes of any state. We do have suck personal property tax though. But it sort of pans out due to lower gas and sales (sales tax in some locales is high though) tax.

I also think Missouri is leading the way in non punishment of its poorer citizens far over any state in this country. Our GOP led statehouse does have a heart.

I am sure abortion laws aren't in the picture for where someone would move, but if they are, abortion is legal but recently difficult by law (or something like that).

Peace.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:06 PM
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a reply to: DAVID64

Move to Indiana...



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:06 PM
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As long as the move is to a place you did good research on probably be happier. Can't take the physical memories with you but, going to create a lot more of them...meeting new people, learning new things.

I moved for a brief time to a place I had no choice and really did not like the state. Spouse got a big promotion though and she really wanted it. Ended up sucking really bad, worse than I could have imagined but I did meet a lot of great people there and learned much from them. I was also forced to get a new job which actually worked out even better. It's 100% remote, pays great and allowed us to eventually move back to our original home which we rented out and then moved back after a few years.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
…….Maybe

Drivers License fees : Up by 50% from $30 to $60.
Vehicle registrations fee : from $101 to $150.
Gas tax : up
State tax up
New gun laws : ..........don't get me started on that stupidity. The gangbangers are going to pay attention to the law this time right ?

Of course I'm speaking of that bastion of Freedom known as illinois.
And for what ? to fix the state's financial problems ? HAH!!

My girlfriend and I ....wait... did I mention I have a new girlfriend ? Ok, not new, we've been together since last October and she moved into my house in Feburary, but..new to you guys anyway.

What breaks my heart is that I've been her almost 20 years, raised 3 kids, bought a house that is filled with the happy memories of raising those kids, 3 of my dearest friends are buried in the back yard ( 2 ferrets and 1 cat ) Chirst, I still have the old door frame we marked the kids height on over the years. The Peachtree we planted in the backyard is still there and still reminds me of little dirty hands digging in the dirt and having the time of their lives cause they got to help Dad....and play in the dirt.
The memories of a lifetime echo through this house. Some good..some bad. All of them precious.
My son is in college and will stay till he graduates and will live in the house. My daughter, who is just 18, lives about 20 miles away with her girlfriend, they both have jobs, school and friends and will not be convinced to move with us.
My oldest son, who is 30, is in Texas and doing great.
What do I do if they need me. What if my daughter calls one night and says " Dad I need you " ?
If we go either place we've talked about, I'll be anywhere from 9 to 12 hours away. [ Eastern Ky or Texas ]
How do I walk away ? For my own selfish pride ?


Heart and Pride are in a battle.

I think Heart is goimg to win.


Being in Sh*tcago, I can empathize. I'm kind of ready to leave too. I do really love where I live even though it is ground zero for crazy leftists. However, the outrageous tax bills and being so close to some of the urban violence don't sit well with me. The only reason I really stay at this point is for the kids (great town and school district) and job/career opportunities for wife.

If I had my druthers I'd move back south. Back to Atlanta, maybe TN. Wouldn't mind living in North Carolina. Love Kansas City, MO. I'm in my mid 40s and really itching for retirement life. Just burned out on corporate life BS. I want to move somewhere more rural and simple.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:51 PM
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As a lifelong Chicagoan, I understand the sentiment. I'm currently trying to get my kids and hobbled mother out of here. It's become too oppressive to my principles and well being to be here, let alone my concerns for my familys'.
Maybe one day, this state will sort it out.
But I'm waiting no longer to find out if.
Sucks because I used to love this city.




posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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Kentucky has a state tax; Texas does not. You should look at property tax rates, state tax, and also sales tax rate to see where it would be best for you to move.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:53 PM
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We did this over a decade ago.
When you first move you are going to be mad beyond belief.
You will realize how bad the lies were.

Schools can indeed function with good budgeting.
Government can function with lower taxes.
Wait until you realize how much you have been wasting on property tax. For some people it is in the hundred of thousands.
For what? Don't even do the math, you will wonder why you didn't move sooner.

Every once in a while I get nostalgic and visit Chicago. It quickly reminds more of what I disliked about the state, more than what I miss. When I lived in Illinois I never understood why so many states around us hated us so much. I totally get it now, but I understand both sides.

In Illinois people are being burnt from both ends, it's hard not to be grumpy all the time. Everyone is overworked, overtaxed. It's just not a happy place! It's intense and angry, and seems to be getting worse. There is just something about the vibe about other places. Happy people. People that get to keep more of their paycheck. People that are happy to pay their fair share of taxes but not be squeezed to the bone!

Report back after you have moved for at least 6 months. I'd love to hear your perspective!



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:02 PM
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If I had my druthers I'd move back south. Back to Atlanta, maybe TN. Wouldn't mind living in North Carolina.


We are seriously considering Atlanta metro area. The house prices sure have skyrocketed there though. I think they have to be very close to peak there.
The other weird thing in that area, they sure do love mcmansions. So many 5000 sq ft houses with little character.
You have to get closer to 1mil to get anything remotely custom looking.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:13 PM
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I moved from Southeast Texas to Kentucky 5 years ago. One daughter and my granddaughter live in Fort Worth area, the other daughter and grandson live in the Houston area. To get to one it takes roughly 14 hours- only stopping for gas and eating on the fly- 15 1/2-16 hours to the other under the same conditions. Just got back from down there about 10 days ago and will be heading back in a little over 3 weeks (went down for birth of grandson then brought granddaughter back with me for part of the Summer per usual and will be returning her to her mama then further south to spend more time with the new grandson). The drive is long but I've done both trips several times alone sometimes, sometimes with the hubs. It would be much faster to fly (only 2 1/2 hours) but I hate paying to rent a car when mine is paid for so I choose to drive. Round trip nonstop from Louisville to Houston flight is under $220. In an emergency you can get there pretty darn fast if you need to.

Edit to add: Oh, and I make the trip in one day... I don't like staying in motels if I don't have to either!
edit on 20-6-2019 by GeauxHomeYoureDrunk because: clarification



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:21 PM
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Michigan is no better with all the fees they charge. I think that they are getting nuts with all the high fees and the cops are constantly out trying to give people tickets to boost income. I think it is turning into a lousy country. All those fees are is hidden taxes. Same with all the gas taxes they tack on what we pay. Service fees that go to government agencies are on all the bills we get these days. Add all the hidden taxes and compounding of taxes and see how much we really pay. On top of that National debt is rising, they keep blowing all the money and more.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:33 PM
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Yeah, Atlanta (inside the perimeter) isn't cheap anymore. To be honest, I'd say it is more expensive than Chicago. Property taxes are about half or less than what you'd pay for a similar house in Chicago though but the property itself will be just as expensive.

Atlanta does have a very materialistic culture though. You also have a lot of people who fake till they make it. A friend of ours calls it the "Land of empty briefcases." A lot of people who are broke but living in over the top houses and driving fancy cars.

The smaller homes near downtown are very expensive. Atlanta is cheap though if you go further out but then you have to deal with the traffic.

My point to moving there really isn't saving money, but better weather and a slower pace of life.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 05:42 PM
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Left Atlanta for good but I am a beach nut. Atlanta (born) has a great vibe if you are young and/or building your resume.

After 2 of my 4 family members passed, I knew it was time to make the move. The Tampa/St Pete area has so much going for it including the crazies. The freedom here is so welcome after the oppressive atmosphere of the old south even though Atlanta is supposed to be so pregressive but it has a long way to go.

All the smash of cultures here in St. Pete Beach makes dinnertime exciting and an adventure. The arts are varied and fantastic.

No taxes (yeah!) some cannabis legal (still a long way to go) and lovely weather-but I stay on the beach. Many many lovely nature areas and paths and parks (especially dog parks).

Definitely flori-duh-but I love it. I could write the brochure.
edit on 20-6-2019 by Justso because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 06:12 PM
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I hear ya, David ! I was born in Chicago and lived in the suburbs, Villa Park . In the early 90's my business went to crap and I fled to my cabin in Wisconsin and never, ever would return to any city life , anywhere! Peace and quiet trump anything the city has to offer......well , to me anyway .



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 08:58 PM
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Yeah, Misery (Missouri) isn't bad.

Schools aren't great, but it sounds like you're past that. We live about two blocks north of Gladstone in KC. If we had to do it over, we'd live in Gladstone, not KC.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 09:53 PM
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Left Central IL many years ago and still feel it was one of the best decisions of my life. When I go to visit (regularly), I am sometimes shocked by the state of the people and small towns. Factories have all but left, farmers are selling off their land, and houses and buildings are crumbling down. It is really depressing when I go to visit my grandmother.

Huntsville, AL is only a 6 hour drive to the Effingham area. Come on down. We have jobs a plenty, crazy low property tax, affordable housing, and only a short 5ish hour drive to the saltwater.




posted on Jun, 21 2019 @ 05:10 AM
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Where in Eastern Ky??? Got peeps in Paintsville.

Anyway...ive lived overseas for yonks so an 8 hour drive aint snip. Used to drive 13 hours from Fl to Ky allthe time. Once drove from Montana to Ohio stright thru. Course i was 22 and had a case of Jolt. I couldnt sleep for a week. Thought i was having a heart attack.....anyway.



posted on Jun, 21 2019 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: Justso
Left Atlanta for good but I am a beach nut. Atlanta (born) has a great vibe if you are young and/or building your resume.

After 2 of my 4 family members passed, I knew it was time to make the move. The Tampa/St Pete area has so much going for it including the crazies. The freedom here is so welcome after the oppressive atmosphere of the old south even though Atlanta is supposed to be so pregressive but it has a long way to go.

All the smash of cultures here in St. Pete Beach makes dinnertime exciting and an adventure. The arts are varied and fantastic.

No taxes (yeah!) some cannabis legal (still a long way to go) and lovely weather-but I stay on the beach. Many many lovely nature areas and paths and parks (especially dog parks).

Definitely flori-duh-but I love it. I could write the brochure.


We lived in Florida for a while. You know what really got to me there. The very randomness of crime. In Illinois, Wisconsin, and many other states I've lived in, you pretty much know the bad sides of town and for the most part crime is very isolated. In Florida crime was just everywhere, and the people are batsh*t crazy. It's a kind of crazy I don't like. Don't get me wrong, I love Florida and love the beaches, but some of the people are very scary.



posted on Jun, 21 2019 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Edumakated
Yeah, Atlanta (inside the perimeter) isn't cheap anymore. To be honest, I'd say it is more expensive than Chicago. Property taxes are about half or less than what you'd pay for a similar house in Chicago though but the property itself will be just as expensive.

Atlanta does have a very materialistic culture though. You also have a lot of people who fake till they make it. A friend of ours calls it the "Land of empty briefcases." A lot of people who are broke but living in over the top houses and driving fancy cars.

The smaller homes near downtown are very expensive. Atlanta is cheap though if you go further out but then you have to deal with the traffic.

My point to moving there really isn't saving money, but better weather and a slower pace of life.


Dude, I've been to Buckhead... One of the most bizarre place on earth. The Beverly Hills of the South.
I know EXACTLY what you mean about "Land of empty briefcases".... That is a perfect statement for that place.
I do still love the weather, and the old charm.



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