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Teacher kicks student from class for saying there are only two genders

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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Look. I'm trying to be patient with you, but as of now I'm not going to answer anymore of your questions until you show me how science is saying that gender is a binary. I'm done explaining anything about my views or how I understand things.




posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:02 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Look. I'm trying to be patient with you, but as of now I'm not going to answer anymore of your questions until you show me how science is saying that gender is a binary. I'm done explaining anything about my views or how I understand things.


Thanks very much for your patience.

If by gender you mean whatever biological sex someone "identifies with" it would be binary in the sense that there are two possible biological sexes they could identify with.. regardless of their actual biological sex. It seemed like you were arguing that there were more than two biological sexes though, or that biological sex was a spectrum..
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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Are you asking me this because you are open to the idea of being wrong about your presuppositions now or are you asking me to try to get me to elucidate my position so we can debate more? Because if it is the former, I'd be happy to educate you on how science classifies gender and sex these days, but if it is the latter I'm not interested until you send some proof my way.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Are you asking me this because you are open to the idea of being wrong about your presuppositions now or are you asking me to try to get me to elucidate my position so we can debate more? Because if it is the former, I'd be happy to educate you on how science classifies gender and sex these days, but if it is the latter I'm not interested until you send some proof my way.


Proof that gender is binary? If by gender you mean any of an infinite # of "gender variations" - one for every individual because no one is quite the same.. obviously such a thing cant be binary simply by definition. Like I said though, that's a silly semantic game.


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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Proof that gender is a binary. That IS your position, correct? Also, please forget the word "semantics" from your lexicon when discussing science. I really can't take you seriously if you keep using it. It sounds really silly when you discuss science topics and use it to dismiss stuff that you find inconvenient to your narrative just because you won't look further into the details to understand why science makes this distinction.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

originally posted by: Nothin

Sorry that these things have happened to you, and are affecting your life.
Have fortunately not ever had nor seen any of those kinds of situations.


My daughter is also an accomplished track and field athlete why should she have to compete for victory and scholarships against males who want to be females and who insist on being treated as if they are? Why should she have to share a locker room.with them? They are not female no matter how strongly they "identify" that way. Identifying as the opposite gender does not make you that gender and it also is not a third gender.. no one on this long thread has yet named and defined any gender beyond Male and Female.. these people need to be recognized but apparently no one can even point them out, name them, define them etc. How strange.


Have been trying to see if you were able to have a tint bit of an open mind.
No matter what anyone says to you: you just reply by countering open-minded ideas, with beliefs and opinions.
And your main complaint seems to be about the beliefs of others, that you seem to feel are constantly threatening you, and being shoved down your throat.
Honestly: am rapidly losing interest in trying.

Last try okay?
Am not saying, at all, that women's sports now needs to be reviewed to see if a new category couldn't be added, or something, but:
Do you believe that a person whom is better at sports, deserve a scholarship more than a person not so great?
If so: why?



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: continuousThunder

Thought your reply was well thought-out and well-written.
Too bad it was rejected off-hand.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 01:23 PM
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Nothin


Do you believe that a person whom is better at sports, deserve a scholarship more than a person not so great?
If so: why?


Seems entirely off topic maybe start a new thread? Do you think it's fair to make biological females compete against biological males just because those males "identify as" female? How about in contact sports where females might not be comfortable with a biological Male touching them? There is also the safety element.. I know biological males who would very likely end up killing people if allowed to play in a women's rugby match, w/o breaking any rules, there have already been severe injuries in situations like these.
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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Thanatos0042

originally posted by: Nothin

Then why not just call them what they want, or any number of generic terms: like 'person' ?

If they have laws like that: what makes them different from any number of other stupid laws?

Do you go through red-lights at midnight, when you see that all is quiet and safe?
What if that was against your personal beliefs about wasting time and fuel?


Well some get offended by being called a generic term...and there are a lot of reasons, such as perhaps it violates your ethics, honor or some other personal or religious tenet?

Someone else posted that they feel it's dishonest and does a diservice to people of the real gender. You should not be forced into violating tenents you hold dear because someone else wants you to.

These stupid laws are being enforced and abused by some people because we all don't agree how gender is not being used, essentially.

So your proposed example is apples to oranges.. Personal beliefs don't trump laws. Laws however, are not always reasonable or fair and those need to be changed - but the process for doing that is clunky, time consuming and difficult to do when your leaders are often corrupt or you are turned into an outcast if you try to go against the system.

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Look, don't misunderstand me. If people want to identify as something other than what their biology presents, I don't care. They can be Purple People Eaters and more power to them.

And a language that isn't dead, does change. Words and meanings change. But this process usually happens naturally and over time.

If you try to force that change though, people are going to be slow to accept it or resist entirely. To punish them for that is quite unfair when it's a social change and laws are being used push it. That IS an agenda when that happens and bad examples of that can be found through our history (look at all the moral laws that turned anal sex into a criminal activity).

Society should change. Laws should change. Especially if it's driven by a new and more enlightened generation. But the generation that got them there should not be forgotten, dismissed or oppressed.


You're probably right that some may get offended by being called a generic term.
The line of intention was to find a way to address folks, where the chances of offense were as low as possible.
We can try to do that, can't we?

Understand most of your points, and have no beef with them. Agree with many.
Have noticed what you are getting-at with your last comment. To me: it has already started, before these new subjects we are talking about now. Had a 'wow' personal insight on that very thing, way back in 1980, that has stuck with me.
Our western societies have less and less respect for others that came before them.

But here we are. We gotta make do with these societies.
Haven't felt the effect of these new laws, or rules in person.
Don't watch the supposedly scandalous videos neither. Never watch those kinds of things anymore, as have realized that they contain nothing but negative energy for me.

Wonder if anyone has some handy info about how many are being charged for countering these laws?
Is these really happening, or has it happened to one person, and 200 million watched a video and are totally scandalized and incensed?



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 02:50 PM
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Thanks: but my threads go-over like lead balloons LoL!

Why would my opinions about fairness matter?
Nature isn't fair.
So somebody changes some rules, and ends-up with enough power to enforce them.
Can we do anything about it, other than come on the internet and state our opinion that we don't like it?
That's it! It ends there, no?

Life is short, and only so much spit left.
Am certainly not interested in spending it on complaining about things, that have no control over.
Not by a long-shot!

Our opinions and beliefs don't matter one bit in this crazy world.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: Nothin
Thanks: but my threads go-over like lead balloons LoL!

Why would my opinions about fairness matter?
Nature isn't fair.
So somebody changes some rules, and ends-up with enough power to enforce them.
Can we do anything about it, other than come on the internet and state our opinion that we don't like it?
That's it! It ends there, no?

Life is short, and only so much spit left.
Am certainly not interested in spending it on complaining about things, that have no control over.
Not by a long-shot!

Our opinions and beliefs don't matter one bit in this crazy world.


So the opinions and beliefs of biological males identifying as females and wanting to be treated as female and called female and allowed to play rugby, hockey, wrestle etc. against biological females instead of against other biological males.. dont matter (?) and life is short so why bother worrying about catering to their ideas.of fairness.. Or is it just my daughter and other girls not wanting to be manhandled (pun intended) by biological males identifying as female, while participating in these sports.. whose opinion, safety etc. you dont think matter much?
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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 03:31 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Makes perfect sense. Why would the teacher let the student ruin his brainwashing?

Teachers are supposed to stop the bullies, not be the bullies.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 03:36 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

Proof that gender is a binary. That IS your position, correct? Also, please forget the word "semantics" from your lexicon when discussing science. I really can't take you seriously if you keep using it. It sounds really silly when you discuss science topics and use it to dismiss stuff that you find inconvenient to your narrative just because you won't look further into the details to understand why science makes this distinction.


Makes what distinction, that there are only two genders/sexes?



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 04:13 PM
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Gender has always been a cultural thing. For example the Navajo has 4 genders.man, woman, masculine female-bodied nádleeh, and feminine male-bodied nádleeh. This young man is actually showing a lack of understanding


I'm native American as is my family, and it's really irritating when people say this crap.... The LGBT community has taken this whole thing out of context and cooped our cultural systems to try to justify their mental disorders....... And honestly it pisses us off....

The NA community has already came out and told you guys that it isn't the same, no matter how you want to bastardize it......

Stop trying to twist our culture to your agendas



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: Blaine91555

But the word gender, like fluid gender or whatever is called is being used to describe people who think they are another sex different from the sex they were born with.


gender

n.
A grammatical category, often designated as male, female, or neuter, used in the classification of nouns, pronouns, adjectives, and, in some languages, verbs that may be arbitrary or based on characteristics such as sex or animacy and that determines agreement with or selection of modifiers, referents, or grammatical forms.
n.
The fact of being classified as belonging to such a category.
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www.wordnik.com...






They know what their doing.... Its part of their playbook..... Change the language to control the narrative........

Years ago there was a book written on how to move a country into socialism and that was literally one of steps......



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 06:35 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: dragonridr




Gender has always been a cultural thing. For example the Navajo has 4 genders.man, woman, masculine female-bodied nádleeh, and feminine male-bodied nádleeh. This young man is actually showing a lack of understanding


I'm native American as is my family, and it's really irritating when people say this crap.... The LGBT community has taken this whole thing out of context and cooped our cultural systems to try to justify their mental disorders....... And honestly it pisses us off....

The NA community has already came out and told you guys that it isn't the same, no matter how you want to bastardize it......

Stop trying to twist our culture to your agendas


Its not twisting your culture at all. You seem to have some very deep seeded issues however. Reality it many cultures concede there is more than two genders. Reality is whatever society you are in choses what genders exist.

I easily concede that there is only 2 sexes. But gender is not about sexes it's about societal norms.

Look at Roman's in their society depends on dominance to be considered Male or female. To Roman's to be Male you had to take the active and not the receptive role. So gender was applied by how you had sex not with whom.



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 07:52 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

Reality it many cultures concede there is more than two genders. Reality is whatever society you are in choses what genders exist.

I easily concede that there is only 2 sexes. But gender is not about sexes it's about societal norms.



So how many genders has modern western society chosen to have exist and what are they and who speaks for our society exactly? Do you use the word Male to describe a biologically determined sex (?) or only to describe a gender defined by "societal norms" which (apparently) can include someone who is biologically female in every sense (?) or do you use it interchangeably to refer to both the biologically determined sex and the culturally determined gender (even though you seem very concerned about distinguishing between the two)? I thought the whole spirit of this "movement" was to respect peoples individual perception of themselves no matter how outside of societal norms or traditional definitions etc. that perception might be (?) now you're saying it depends on societal norms?
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posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: WalkTheRingsOfSaturn

What's more, as I have already explained, if it was true as some people at least outside from the forums are claiming that gender fluidity is part of evolution then God/nature would have made those people capable of getting pregnant and having children the "natural way."



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: continuousThunder

Nope, but I find it ironic that people in the left most often make this same argument and most of the time I haven't seen anyone with a degree in human biology, genetics, or other similar fields giving any actual evidence supporting the claims that there are more than two sexes in humans. Again, if it was true those people would be able to have children "the natural way."



posted on Jun, 20 2019 @ 08:28 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

I'm native American as is my family, and it's really irritating when people say this crap.... The LGBT community has taken this whole thing out of context and cooped our cultural systems to try to justify their mental disorders....... And honestly it pisses us off....

The NA community has already came out and told you guys that it isn't the same, no matter how you want to bastardize it......

Stop trying to twist our culture to your agendas


They won't stop. Unfortunately people who believe that there are more sexes in humans than two will continue making these claims, and unfortunately we will continue to see many kids/young adults committing suicide because "changing sex" for many of them don't solve the problem they have. We need to be compassionate to them, and treat the underlying causes. Yes some might benefit from changing sex, but youtube is full of videos of these poor people who after having gone through sex change they realize that is not solving their problem but makes it worse for them.

Whats more, this push from the left to teach children about sex and same sex intercourse are only making a lot of these children grow up even more confused. Let children be children instead of pushing this agenda.




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