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Bernie Sander's Constitution is Equal to Stalin's Constitution of the USSR.

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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

But wait. Wasnt 5g supposed to be a Chinese infiltration system to spy on americans and fry their eyeballs put of their head?

Oh wait... I forgot technology cant move forward unless america says so.




posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: xuenchen

But wait. Wasnt 5g supposed to be a Chinese infiltration system to spy on americans and fry their eyeballs put of their head?

Oh wait... I forgot technology cant move forward unless america says so.


It was ?

Wasnt that just a strategy ?

😆



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

Yes, those are completely inhumane targets! You should go all Dallas-Kennedy-style on him.
This is unacceptable!

/s for the unobservant reader.


Stalin and many other communist dictators promised the same thing... The point is Bernie Sanders, and his cohorts like AOC are claiming that "it is a new type of socialism," yet Bernie is following Stalin's model. Bernie started being a communist, and now claims to be a different type of socialist. But again he is following Stalin's model which points to the fact that Bernie Sanders is still a communist but in disguise as he tries to sell and implement communism under a different name...




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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75

It's never been pure communist. What part of classless, stateless, and moneyless do you people not understand?


That part about "classless, stateless, and moneyless" is nothing but BS. Even in communism there are at least two classes, and Marx himself made sure it happened despite him claiming it would not. And even if in 1,000 years you were able to have such a society does it matter when through most of those 1,000 years it only made things worse for everyone?

Marx himself stated, and I quote:


The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx

Read more at: www.brainyquote.com...

What that means is that even in socialism/communism there are at least two classes of people. 1. Those who are loyalist to the socialist/communist cause, and 2. Those who sooner or later realize and decide that socialism and communism sucks.

There has ALWAYS been opposition to socialism and communism, and there will ALWAYS be opposition to socialism and communism. So despite the lies that the drunk and jobless Karl Marx made about "no classes" he made sure that there will ALWAYS be at least two classes of people in socialism and communism...

A stateless society will never function properly. How can you have millions of people decide by themselves, without representatives, how a nation must function? Haven't you seen that even our representatives many times can't come to an agreement?...

If a few hundred people representing millions many times can't come to an agreement imagine if it was MILLIONS of people, whom without representatives, would make the decisions on how to run a country... It can't happen. It is not possible at all. The country would cease to function and chaos would ensue.

As for the "cashless" society... That's part of the reason why a socialist economy ALWAYS FAILS.




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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Just go watch tourist videos of former USSR states they look worse than Afghanistan and all the older people will tell you life was much better back then compared to now.
It's full of greedy bankers and politicians stealing money.


Ironic since the same Kremlin communists who controlled the U.S.S.R. are the same people in control of the Soviet union.

Countries are ALWAYS better before socialism/communism takes over, and unfortunately even after communism "supposedly" falls in those nations many such nations never recover. That isn't because socialism/communism is better than capitalism, it is because socialism and communism not only destroys nations, but many of those nations either have the same communists in charge, such as we know Russia is being run today by the mafia which consist of former high ranking KGB agents including Putin, or the nations can't recover from the destruction that socialism and communism cause in those nations.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 06:01 PM
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Here are some facts some people seem to want to forget about nations like Russia...


Vladimir Putin: Vladimir Putin, Russian intelligence officer and politician who served as president (1999-2008, 2012- ) and prime minister (1999, 2008-12) of Russia. His rule was characterized by centralization of power, suppression of dissent, and assertion of Russian military power.
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www.britannica.com...

Centralization of power is what socialism and communism do to nations... People also seem to forget that under Vladimir Putin he decided to change historical facts about Stalin, not only are history books in Russia now claiming that "what Stalin did was for the good of the nation and he was a patriot." Putin also ordered a raid on the largest organization which had the largest document cache describing all the atrocities committed by Stalin...

Putin’s dangerous campaign to rehabilitate Stalin

The rehabilitation of Stalin: Putin rewrites history to convince almost half of all Russians that megalomaniac dictator was just a man with 'good intentions'


Tom Balmforth

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian historians have raised concern authorities are playing down Stalin-era crimes after they learned that police destroyed the archive records of a victim of the Soviet dictator’s purges, citing a previously unknown government directive.

The Russian deputy interior minister has denied such records are being systematically destroyed. But the incident has given new life to allegations that President Vladimir Putin’s Russia is discounting dark chapters of the Soviet past and glorifying triumphs like its World War Two victory instead.
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The police force in Magadan, which was home to some of the harshest camps in Stalin’s gulag system, cited a government order from September 2014 which police said designated registration cards more than 80 years old for destruction.
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Russian historians raise alarm after Stalin victim's prison card destroyed

Some years back I either made a thread, or posted in a thread a link to a story about Putin ordering a raid on the largest human rights group, and their building, in Russia which had the largest repository of documents detailing the atrocities committed by Stalin, and they took all the records from that building. I am trying to find that link again.

Here is another article detailing how Putin and the Kremlin closing down the most respected "human rights group in Russia" which had detailed documents describing all the atrocities committed by Stalin.


Ministry of justice sends request to supreme court to close Memorial, whose criticism irks the Kremlin.

By Tom Parfitt, Moscow

5:57PM BST 12 Oct 2014

Russia's justice ministry is moving to close down the country's most respected human rights group in what critics say is the latest attempt to stifle criticism of the Kremlin.

The ministry has applied to the country's supreme court to "liquidate" Memorial, which is known for its scrupulous documenting of Joseph Stalin's repressions, as well as for highlighting abuse of civilians in Chechnya and other rights violations.
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Russia applies to 'liquidate' its most respected human rights group

Putin, and those in charge in Russia, and even some former U.S.S.R.' states, continue to be socialist or even communist.


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The number of activists reading the names last Thursday was unprecedented, organizers from the Memorial Human Rights Center told The Daily Beast. It demonstrated that many Russians today are willing to look back at the scale of Stalin’s terror. “People around me in line said that the ghost of modern repressions grows more and more obvious; once again people live with fear of arrests. I am sure that nobody out of the thousands of Russians coming to Lubyanka this week wanted the return of mass repressions to Russia,” Lokshina told The Daily Beast.

But the Kremlin sent a controversial message that day. As if to mock the day of memory, authorities detained the director of a Ukrainian language library in Moscow, Natalya Sharina. Armed policemen in masks had raided her library the day before and allegedly found some banned literature, someanti-Russian propaganda.If convicted, the 58-year-old librarian could go to prison for four years. Her story resonated with Russians, as the armed men arrived to grab the woman in the early-morning hours—a well-known signature of the FSB and its predecessors. The methods did not seem to have changed.
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Russians to Putin: We Won’t Forget Stalin’s Crimes

Before this there was the raid on the building in which Putin ordered the confiscation of all documents detailing the atrocities of Stalin.

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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 07:36 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You do know before the USSR it was ruled by blood thirsty slave driving Tsars right?

You seem to forget that communism and socialism was a reaction to old ways of running nations. The thing is, communism isn't something that is built upon it's something that becomes. Socialism and capitalism are the 'bridge' to communism. It's a pipe dream obviously, but saying life for the average Slav before the USSR was better compared to a Russian monarch is a joke.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:09 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Ironic that is the same kind of false claim that liberals/progressives/socialists/communists make about countries like Cuba, and Venezuela before communism.



Russia’s Economy

Vladimir Lenin was a very important figure in the history of Russia’s return from ruins. When Russia joined World War I under the rule of Tsar Nicholas II, Russia was very prosperous with a stable economy and it was one of the biggest players in the war. However, after being obliterated by German forces, Russia was in total chaos. The economy was severely crippled, and the citizens were furious. As a revolution came forth, the Bolshevik party chose Vladimir Lenin to be the new leader of Russia. Lenin’s efforts would lead him to become the architect of the new Soviet Union which would then be passed on to Stalin, but not before Lenin has rebuilt the economy of Russia.
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www.ukessays.com...

War was what crippled Russia, and the bolsheviks chose a worse dictator by taking advantage of the chaos that was caused by World War I.

BTW, yes there were some people who did suffer, but on overall life was better before communism and before World War I decimated Russia's economy.

The same thing can be said about Cuba, before the "socialist revolution" Cuba was known as the "jewel of the Caribbean." Most people had a better life before communism than most people did in Cuba under communism.

In Venezuela the same thing happened as in Cuba.




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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Russia was modernized and had a powerful economy under those Tsars. It suffered enormously under Communism.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:30 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The Bolsheviks revolution was a direct response to the monarchy taking full advantage of workers in industrial work places. And to sending hundreds of thousands of people into war without evening know why they were going to war. It was a reaction. People were fed up.

Leninism was a play on what Communism was supposed to be, and it was grossly taken out of context, this is why from there on it could never ever be achieved since it was being pushed by dictators. On top of all this, Marx wasn't a political or military mastermind, he was a philosopher, a terrible person to make judgement on how to rebuild a nation after revolution.

The overall goal of communism is basically 'global utopia', this is why Marx took on Hegels model and brought forth Hegelian Dialectic, communism isn't something that is, it's something that is always becoming, the thing is, Hegel was talking about mind and spirit, Marx was attempting to bring it into the physical world. Much different.

When you start to mingle Stalin, Lenin, the USSR, etc. into what communism is, it's gets all crazy.

The bottom line is, Cuba, Russia, etc, aren't communist, they are socialist snubbing out capitalism in the attempt to achieve the fairy tale of communism.

But it does bring up what Marx proposed, and raises a lot of questions.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:32 PM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You mean factories run by the monarch and taking almost all the capital? They were a last standing form of feudalism. Basically, live in my land you get food and shelter, and if war breaks out you better take up arms or die.



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Commie Bernie is a Dinosaur . You are Extinct Old Red Man ! ................



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: strongfp

Keep on making false claims. I at least gave a source.

Your argument is debunked even by Karl Marx himself. Socialism and communism become a PERMANENT DICTATORSHIP. Why does Marxist doctrine calls it "Dictatorship of the proletariat" then? and don't forget the word DICTATORSHIP...

Not to mention that those who become the powerful under socialism and communism are supposed to suppress all political opposition to socialism/communism. In other words there can be no dissent to socialism and communism, despite Marx claiming the contrary. But Marx was known to contradict himself quite frequently. Perhaps it had something to do with him being drunk more often than sober, which was normal for him since he spent most of his time in bars, which would explain why he would contradict himself...

I can picture it right now, one of Karl Marx drunken donkey rides in which he would spout all the nonsense about how great socialism and communism would be...

Marx the Drunken Idiot riding his donkey while yelling: "You seez, zozializmzzz willz be greatzzz. A permanentz dictatorshipzz in whichz everyonsezz would be freezzz..."

Karl Marx, the Drunkard who Laid the Foundation for Communism





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posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You mean factories run by the monarch and taking almost all the capital? They were a last standing form of feudalism. Basically, live in my land you get food and shelter, and if war breaks out you better take up arms or die.


BTW, you seem to forget that under communism, Russian officers had machine guns behind their own lines and would murder any and every soldier who would break line and try to escape, meanwhile only 1/2 of the Russian soldiers had weapons...



posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 10:38 PM
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originally posted by: strongfp

You mean factories run by the monarch and taking almost all the capital? They were a last standing form of feudalism. Basically, live in my land you get food and shelter, and if war breaks out you better take up arms or die.


You are deluded. Serfdom was abolished in Russia under orders from a Tsar and with the help of his son another Tsar, in 1861, 4 years before slavery was abolished in the U.S.


In 1861 serfdom, the system which tied the Russian peasants irrevocably to their landlords, was abolished at the Tsars imperial command. Four years later, slavery in the USA was similarly declared unlawful by presidential order. Tsar Alexander II (1855-81) shared with his father, Nicholas I, a conviction that American slavery was inhumane. This is not as hypocritical as it might first appear. The serfdom that had operated in Russia since the middle of the seventeenth century was technically not slavery. The landowner did not own the serf. This contrasted with the system in the USA where the negro slaves were chattels; that is, they were regarded in law as the disposable property of their masters. In Russia the traditional relationship between lord and serf was based on land. It was because he lived on his land that the serf was bound to the lord.
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www.historytoday.com...

But keep trying to re-write history with your false claims...

BTW...you should keep on reading that link with real history and not your made up claims.


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Alexander II’s Role

By an odd twist of fate, defeat in the war proved of value to the new Tsar. Although he had been trained for government from an early age, foreign observers had remarked on how diffident and unsure he appeared. The war changed all that. Coming to the throne in 1855 in the middle of the conflict, Alexander II was unable to save Russia from military failure, but the humiliation convinced him that, if his nation was to have stability and peace at home and be honoured abroad, military and domestic reforms were vitally necessary. The first step on that path would be the removal of serfdom, whose manifest inefficiency benefited neither lord, peasant, nor nation. Alexander declared that, despite Russias defeat, the end of the war marked a golden moment in the nation’s history. Now was the hour when every Russian, under the protection of the law, could begin to enjoythe fruits of his own labours’.
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www.historytoday.com...

The one mistake that Alexander made was to give the landowners the ability for them to formulate the laws and make the changes.



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posted on Jun, 19 2019 @ 04:51 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hegelian dialectic is a contradiction over and over.
The main goal of communism is to become a stateless, classless, borderless, etc, etc world where struggle and revolution was needed to achieve the I guess end game goal, socialism, dictatorships, and capitalism were needed to get there.

Remember thesis, antithesis, and then synthesis, this is why Marx always contradicted himself because he was very fond of the way hegel thought.
Also yes he was a drunk.



posted on Jun, 19 2019 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Russia wasnt communist.



posted on Jun, 19 2019 @ 04:52 AM
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a reply to: strongfp

Just think how bad it was under those Tsars .. socialism was even worse for Russia.



posted on Jun, 19 2019 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You were taking my words to literal.
The link you provided and quotes are also extremely biased since hmmm let's see revolt happened.

After world war one Russia suffered massive loses and the work force was decimated, this left a massive poverty gap between the ruling class and the working. Revolution was inevitable since the monarch still wanted their huge piece of the pie.

History shouldn't be taken litterally when discussing it, theres many different angles. In the case of the tsars, sure life was great when they were calling the shots, and still had millions of men working, but when your entire economy is based on a able bodied labor force it's not going to end well when you send them all to die.



posted on Jun, 19 2019 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Probably. Life in general after both wars was probably miserable, just like the rest of Europe.




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