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Bosses pocket Trump tax windfall as workers see job promises vanish

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posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Never met an IT guy at a call center who did something more than just answering a phone, say they worked at a call center.

I manage the floor at a call center.
I'm work in the IT dept at a call center.
I'm Tier 1 Support at a call center.

And on and on.




posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: TheSteppenwolf
It’s hilarious when tax cuts gets slammed by some citizens because other citizens won’t hand over the benefits of their lower taxes. Not only is it funny, but it’s perverted, and paints the perfect picture of the dependant class.




So poor people just don't pay enough into the system, so what's the solution?


A corporate tax cut is available for all citizens to take advantage of, rich, poor, male, female, and any ethnicity. So why should they give you their money?



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Exactly like rich people pay the same taxes on their first 100k , that poor people do.. then the tax rate goes up from there.. I mean sure poor people don’t pay the higher rate, but the higher rate is AVAILABLE to them , if they do cross that income threshold..




Oh but that’s right.... that system is only fair when it benefits the rich and powerful...






posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018

Obviously someone has to set up the call centers computers and keep them running..


Likely the call center IT guy lol..



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

tradingeconomics.com...

The US unemployment rate stood at 3.6 percent in May 2019, unchanged from the previous month’s 49-year low and matching market expectations. The number of unemployed increased by 64 thousand to 5.9 million while employment rose by 113 thousand to 156.8 million. Unemployment Rate in the United States averaged 5.75 percent from 1948 until 2019, reaching an all time high of 10.80 percent in November of 1982 and a record low of 2.50 percent in May of 1953.


Somebody used the tax breaks to hire people.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

You are the sucker, and an ignorant one with no short term memory. Either that or you obviously are making a blatant attempt to exclude what recently occured.

For those of you who are either living under a freaking rock, or were born yesterday, here is what really happened;


Hundreds of companies issued bonuses just after Trump's 2017 tax cuts

Bank of America gave bonuses of $1,000 last year..

Corporations are sharing a big slice of their huge Trump tax cuts with employees ... they are giving any bonuses or wage increases to their employees due to their tax cuts

As of April 8, nearly 500 American employers have announced bonuses or pay increases

Since we passed tax cuts, over 3 million workers have gotten tax cut bonuses — many of them thousands and thousands of dollars."



simple Google search

So which is it?

Cherry picking some companies that didn't do such, don't reflect how many have. Nice try but you failed to be true to the facts.

Take your self entitled emotional based bs elsewhere. I for one won't stand idly by as the lies and fear mongering are muckraked around.

Ever try thinking for yourself instead of parroting the propaganda?

I'm thinking no, because you still sound exactly like a talking head parrot. Free thinker my arse, you're just a blind fool following the popular crowd because you can't see the forest for the damned trees.

This is directed at all of the leftist socialist tools.

If socialist government is so damn great, show us an example where it worked when applied.

And I'll show you how WWI & WWII started, fighting communist idiots. Seriously if socialist government is so damn great, move where it already exists and stop trying to force it on a Nation of people who fought against it.

Don't like corporations and capitalism, stop using their products, including the device you're reading ATS on!

Hypocrite.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: projectvxn

Yep. They live to project the poor situation they've made for themselves onto everyone.


They can't be bothered to succeed on their own merits.

They just want to complain and take from those who are productive.

The defeatist/nihilistic attitudes of these people is constantly on display. There is ALWAYS a reason for them to never take a risk, take any action, or invest in any way.

Then they take to the internet to whine about Donald Trump's wealth or former bankruptcies, but have no idea what it took to get there, get out of the mess, and back on the saddle. They've always had their failures backstopped for them in some capacity or another. Their lack of success, to them, is no reflection of their character but an indictment of society.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
Interesting. So if a person saves up, buys some land and builds a house with, say, 6 bedrooms, should their house be shared with others for free?


My Niece's friend seems to think so. I had my Mother, two Sisters and my Sister's three kids living with me for quite a while. I bought a three bedroom house with a garage with an apartment attached to it. I lived in the apartment. Now my Sisters are on their own and my Mother passed away a few years ago, I live in the house. A few weeks ago we had my Great Niece's birthday party at my place in the garage because of the weather. My Niece invited her friend who actually asked why I didn't give my house to a poor family and live in my garage? Twenty-five years old, never worked a day in her life and her parents work for the Government.
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posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
So poor people just don't pay enough into the system, so what's the solution?

How hard is it to understand that if someone was so poor that they weren't even paying taxes, they may not see any benefit to the tax cuts.

In fact, in certain cases, they may see a tax 'increase'...

For example, if someone is so poor they didn't pay anything - but qualified for the EITC (earned income tax credit), they would get a big 'refund', even though they paid nothing in.

Trump eliminated that giveaway, so those people had - what - a tax 'increase'? Whatever you call it, they stopped getting a freebie they didn't earn.
edit on 17-6-2019 by tanstaafl because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: tabularosa

Trickle-down does work if properly applied. It will not work if applied to companies which are mature and no longer have opportunity for expansion (like AT&T for instance). It will work great if applied to smaller companies looking to grow and increase their market share, especially if that market share is in an expanding market.

We have several reports right here of people who work in or run smaller businesses and how they have seen wages grow and jobs increase. You won't hear that from GM or Caterpillar or IBM or AT&T or someone like that. Their market share is not growing and neither is their market expanding.

It's easy to make fun of that which one does not understand... but doing so only makes one look foolish to those who do understand what is going on.

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

The funny thing is, the same people who complain about people "hoarding their wealth" are also complaining about the possibility of inflation. The more wealth is "hoarded" the less chance of inflation. Inflation is too much money chasing too few goods. So taking some of the money out of circulation by "hoarding" it would counter inflation.

It is literally astounding how little people understand about the very basics of economics... it's like they've never even heard the term except in sci-fi comic books!

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

They also think that wealth is finite. New wealth is created all of the time.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 03:37 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I think is is due to them hearing "you didn't build that" type of defeatist rhetoric for the past 8 years, that they are brainwashed to think they cannot build/create anything themselves. So, they need to rely upon others to share their successes, without contributing one iota to them (because "they" didn't built it either).

SMFH



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: JIMC5499

Created and destroyed.

If I take $10 worth of components and put them together into something that is worth $50, I have just created $40 out of thin air... well, actually, I exchanged my labor designing and assembling it for $40. if it took me 8 hours to assemble them, I made $5 an hour. If it took me 15 minutes, I made $160 an hour. That's the range of income I accept for making the thing myself. If I work for someone assembling the exact same thing and it takes me an hour, I made $40 an hour for the company. I might see $15 of that myself, but then again, if it took me three hours I would make $45 and the company would lose $5. I have a choice between taking the chance of making a killing or a sure thing of making a wage. Most people take the wage, because they don't have to worry about designing, hiring people, taxes, bookkeeping, and the risk of the employees costing more than they make.

On the other hand, I have a riding lawn mower that was bought two years ago for $1800. It'll last me about 10 years (yeah, I keep things until fixing them just gets to be way too much trouble and money). So if it's worth $200 when I'm done, I destroyed $160 every year I had it. (We call that "depreciation.")

(BTW, I know you know all this... I'm posting in the likely vain hope of others learning something.)

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

The proof is in the pudding. The OP posted his single company incident as of it somehow counteracts the cold hard truth that wage growth is the best it has been since before the recession. Unemployment is the lowest it's been in 60 years. Inflation is a very reasonable 1.5-2%. Those things don't happen if companies everywhere are doing what the OP claims they are.

They also love to repeat the myth that people are paying more in taxes. 82% of the middle class got a tax cut. 65% of working adults got a tax cut. The average tax cut was $1,200 Even WaPo admits this.
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posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So you want a society that dictates what an individual can and cannot do with their own property.




I have no way of steering society, I'm simply pointing out this keeps on happening, and it will keep on happening as long as the wealthy horde their wealth and the poor have nothing.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:15 PM
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I think is is due to them hearing "you didn't build that"...

That one statement made me literally hate Obama. Yes, damn his hide, I certainly did build that! Building new things is what I do! The feeling of creation when a project powers up and works for the first time is one of the few true joys left in my life, and I'll be damned if I am going to let anyone take that away from me! I adamantly refused to even consider starting up another business because of that single attitude. Even now, I'm leery of doing it, because so many people still believe they are somehow responsible for my hard work and talents.

I heard Bernie talking this morning. He said something about workers needing to be on the Board of Directors of their companies. Oh, hell NO they don't. We'd have businesses going bust left and right, because these are the very people who refuse to take any responsibility for anything. They think that because they waltz into a building that has already been built for them, after parking their car in a parking lot that was built for them, to get a guaranteed paycheck promised to them regardless of how well they perform, and benefits that they can use to their heart's content without worrying about how much it costs the company, they deserve to be on the same level as the people responsible for doing all that and risking their life savings in the process.

Just oh, HELL NO!

As long as that attitude persists, I will be leery of starting a business and damn leery about who I hire. That's Obama's economic legacy: "Do something to build the economy and I'll take it from you!"

TheRedneck



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
So poor people just don't pay enough into the system, so what's the solution?

How hard is it to understand that if someone was so poor that they weren't even paying taxes, they may not see any benefit to the tax cuts.

In fact, in certain cases, they may see a tax 'increase'...

For example, if someone is so poor they didn't pay anything - but qualified for the EITC (earned income tax credit), they would get a big 'refund', even though they paid nothing in.

Trump eliminated that giveaway, so those people had - what - a tax 'increase'? Whatever you call it, they stopped getting a freebie they didn't earn.




That is not a solution, before trying to school others perhaps it's best if you follow and understand the conversation



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So you want a society that dictates what an individual can and cannot do with their own property.




I have no way of steering society, I'm simply pointing out this keeps on happening, and it will keep on happening as long as the wealthy horde their wealth and the poor have nothing.


And, what in your opinion, are these "poor" doing to change their situation (other than trying to take $$$ from others without providing anything of value in return)?

This is an honest question, and not meant as any sort of "trap" at all.

Context: I grew up "poor" and worked my butt off. I educated myself in any way I could (including $90k in student loans starting in my early 30's) to learn the next wave that was going to "boom" and positioned myself to be in demand when that wave came. I've done that 4 times now over my decades long career, and and now in a comfortable position economically to have paid off my student loans in full and provide for myself/family going into retirement in a decade. That is what I did to change my situation. I expect no less from others seeking to take my hard earned $$ from me for themselves.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 04:20 PM
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I'm simply pointing out this keeps on happening, and it will keep on happening as long as the wealthy horde their wealth and the poor have nothing.

First of all, I take it from that comment that you prefer runaway inflation. That would hurt the poor pretty bad.

Second of all, what do you call the poor who do have something? Middle class. The poor will always have less than they need; that's the definition of poor.

TheRedneck




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