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Hell is a Parable for the Womb and Reincarnation

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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:43 AM
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a reply to: UncleMikey

In the bible the word Hell refers to the hebrew Word SHEOL which is basically a dump or rubbish tip or midden tip were there were often fires (it was the translation and Greek influence that had it confused with Hades), the lake of fire however is something else entirely and is reserved as a final punishment for the truly evil and damned after the full judgement - the one following the resurrection (which I believe is spiritual rather than flesh - in the resurrection you shall have a new body like the angel's which are in heaven).

Many Hebrew sect's still believe in Reincarnation as to many former Hebrew (not Jews but still son's of Jacob/Israel) whom went through being both christian and then Muslim probably to escape persecution - aka the Samaritan's.

Sheol was a place of waste were rubbish was to be tipped and seen as unclean a place you would never want to be thrown when you died but were murderer's and other's were also thrown after they were executed, it had the same kind of resonance with the ancient jew's as being pissed on has to the Muslim's today.

There are many story's that may suggest that Reincarnation is a fact BUT for a Christian it is not - why - well think of it like this the Hindu Wheel of reincarnation called Darma is seen as a state of purgatory in which a soul imperfect must repeat it's life on earth as many time's as necessary until it reaches a state of perfection and only then may it ascent to a higher state, either a better incarnation OR break away from the wheel and be freed from the cycle of birth suffering and death.

But in Christianity IF reincarnation was a fat then Christian's - those that are SAVED by the Christ, Washed of there sin's and MADE PERFECT even in there own imperfection's by the blood of Jesus and the price he paid for them are therefore NOT going to be reincarnated BECAUSE they are free from that wheel, that vicious cycle.

In the coming with the cloud's as he ascended with cloud's he also say's that those beheaded for his names sake will come with him and those that beheaded them will see them coming (be afraid), so his martyrs have NOT reincarnated.

IF man is created in the image of God then man does not reincarnate - at least when he is MAN but man that is not man but something less well maybe it is possible but that would not be anyone that was a Christian because CHRISTIAN's are free'd by there savior and there only future incarnation will be to become as the Angels in Spiritual body's on a higher plane of existence.

So while I am open minded as to reincarnation I would argue the Church has it correct were CHRISTIAN soul's are concerned, not everyone that attend's there church is a christian though now are they?.


To say otherwise is to deny the power of Christs blood and the grace he has given to those under his blood.

Remember he was more spirit than flesh - the Alpha spirit if you like the word of God which was with god in the beginning and is God itself manifesting as a physical being, his mother also was born of a miracle as both her father and mother on earth were too old yet they were devout and pure soul's so God chose them to send his vessel into this world through and through that vessel the Virgin Mary (the only one he would come through) he then manifested his word - Jesus though more like an extremely powerful apparition - MORE REAL - than the universe around him lived a full life cycle, actual physical existence with all the pain, suffering, hunger, desire and isolation that causes and he endured it for us then he accepted the fate that lay before him BUT because he could never truly be killed his death though far more real than our death and far more death than our death could not hold him and he rose up again in the tomb on the third day, while he was in the tomb the SPIRIT's of many devout and faithful/righteous people whom had died in God (faith) rose from there own tomb's and were seen by many in Jerusalem - so these were not reincarnated either, when he arose he became something other than flesh and on the 40th day after many of his followers and his apostles including doubting Thomas had seen him he rose with cloud's (spirit) into heaven.

This is not to say that Reincarnation can not or has not happened, it is quite possible that it does but remember the tale of Legion, they begged him to be allowed to enter a herd of swine as he tended to order spirit's that were NOT meant to be in someone out of them as he did in the case of Legion's Victim, they then were allowed to Enter - Incarnate into the Pig's which then promptly went insane at the presence of the foreign spirit's within them and ran into the sea were they then drowned making that into a short and nasty reincarnation for an army of evil spirit's.

If a child already has a soul (the BREATH OF LIFE given by the creator to his image - we are Breath Jesus is WORD) of it's own and someone then forces there way into it to REINCARNATE themselves what then become's of the innocent whom they have squashed?.

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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 05:58 AM
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a reply to: UncleMikey

So since the whole point of following Christ is to not go to Hell, clearly they do not get reincarnated and are in a better place. How is the womb and reincarnation like a pit of fire, or eternal?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I believe he is drawing on Dharmic Cycle theory from Hinduism and Buddhism (and Janism).
It can have different meanings in these religion's but basically mean's change and can also allude to the wheel or reincarnation were soul that is imperfect or burdened by debt of Karma or past life sin's and failures is doomed to stay on the wheel until it has paid it's Debt and become perfect enough to rejoin the creator - Source of all soul's - as a pure soul.
In there religion's good work's cancel out evil and Karma can be taken on by good soul's from bad one's to pay off the bad one's debt's if the good ones are willing to suffer in there place.

The Closest thing to a wheel of Dharma in Hebraic tradition is probably the description by Ezekiel's of something that is often referred to as a UFO by those that choose not to try to interpret the religious symbolism involved but it is far more complex than the simple wheel symbolism of the ancient Hindu model, however the being associated with God that Ezekiel saw was enthroned over the wheel's so not part of them but above them which would be in line with some of there earlier symbolism's interpretation's.

Probably a more apt symbol in the Hebraic sense would be the ladder of Jacob were he saw the angel's ascending and descending it but that would then mean good soul's not simply coming down to do angelic thing's but also to be born and suffer in this world, still as I said earlier while I believe we Christian's are free from this curse many Jewish people still do and have a long history of belief in Reincarnation - not all sect's but many and it is a very decisive subject since different groups feel very strongly about it among them.
www.myjewishlearning.com...
www.chabad.org...
www.near-death.com...

It seems' that it crept into Judaism about the 8th century BC while in fact most Jewish belief was that when we/they died then they slept until the Resurrection of the house of Israel as promised in the valley of dry bone's vision.

So it is NOT a Jewish and therefore not a Christian Idea though it was well known at the time of our lord's coming which is probably why it was clarified that it is given for a man to be born, to live then to die and then the resurrection - no mention of reincarnation.

Another conundrum for Reincarnation believers is that many whom have past life memory's can have the confusion of memory's of seeming different people whose lives would have overlapped if they were real - this means' that there memory's are not from a single but some form of Gestalt spiritual origin - one that seem's to have absorbed some or perhaps even all of the life memory's of those people and has now latched onto it's next meal.
Unless of course the soul is outside of time and reincarnation does not have to follow the usual causality of the physical universe which would mean that if reincarnation was real then many born now could have there next reincarnation thousands or millions of years in the past just as easily as the could in the future or even be reincarnated as there own spouse and never have realized that all along they were with themselves - and cheated on themselves.

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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

I know what he is doing, but the way it is described in the Bible does not fit the mold he is trying to force it in is my point. He is taking the parts he likes and then discarding the rest.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I tend to agree, I am one whom keep's an open mind to the idea but it is not a part of my own Christian faith and whom of us is to say what God can do if he so chose to though I have never heard of God going against his own word so that kind of finalized the argument against reincarnation for myself - I mean who would want to come back into this world when they have the whole universe to explore except perhaps with God's blessing to watch over there kid's.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 07:40 AM
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originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife.


gilgul


“In Kabbalistic esoteric mysticism, Gilgul/Gilgul neshamot/Gilgulei Ha Neshamot (Heb. גלגול הנשמות, Plural: גלגולים Gilgulim) is a concept of reincarnation. In Hebrew, “

That is From your link

Kabbalistic, it’s not Judaism, mysticism, go study the word mysticism and esoteric, you don’t know what that means so why try to sell what you don’t understand, you are a fool

Do you have any concept of the depth of your ignorance, truly, the depth of your utter incompetence in study
Stop
Stop searching for the arguments that support your beliefs, search and study what argues against your beliefs, then from there formulate

This is so dumb
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posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition ever written by anyone with no proof or valid reference is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously? You are selling astrotheology from a book that condemns astrotheology as a book endorsing astrotheology
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging and preaching at idiots beyond the fringes of the bible a book most don’t believe in and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever you want to believe, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything, me, sorry
edit on 16-6-2019 by Raggedyman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously?
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging beyond the fringes and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything


They all explain the bigger picture yes. Not sure why you are offended or amped up now. It is what it is. You have been lied too. All of us have.
edit on 16-6-2019 by TheGreatWork because: (no reason given)


You mentioned common sense, yet believe a man that lives in the clouds. Gotcha.
edit on 16-6-2019 by TheGreatWork because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously?
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging beyond the fringes and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything


They all explain the bigger picture yes. Not sure why you are offended or amped up now. It is what it is. You have been lied too. All of us have.

You mentioned common sense, yet believe a man that lives in the clouds. Gotcha.


Walked into that didn’t you, whatba clown

Common sense I stated very clearly many don’t believe in the bible
I am a Christian who believes the bible teaches Jesus died and rose but it sure doesn’t teach your esoteric nonsense
It sure doesn’t and outside you telling me it does offered me and others nothing but banal psychobabble

The most studied and commented book in the world with a million links and you, not a single reference but your opinion

Bigger picture, Must be a full moon?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously?
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging beyond the fringes and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything


They all explain the bigger picture yes. Not sure why you are offended or amped up now. It is what it is. You have been lied too. All of us have.

You mentioned common sense, yet believe a man that lives in the clouds. Gotcha.


Walked into that didn’t you, whatba clown

Common sense I stated very clearly many don’t believe in the bible
I am a Christian who believes the bible teaches Jesus died and rose but it sure doesn’t teach your esoteric nonsense
It sure doesn’t and outside you telling me it does offered me and others nothing but banal psychobabble

The most studied and commented book in the world with a million links and you, not a single reference but your opinion

Bigger picture, Must be a full moon?


Hey Silly.. The bible has all of the esoteric stuff encoded in alegory. That is the whole point. There is a version for the profane, "us" which is literal. The deeper esoteric aspect is the real meat of it. How about the SUN comes from the EAST, dies on the crossover in the sky on the solstice... There's your jesus myth, about the ball of fire in the sky. It is explaining the sun's trek through the heavens. I spent years on this and will not break it all down for the ignorant and lazy who refuse to see the information that is right there, but refuse to look at.
edit on 16-6-2019 by TheGreatWork because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously?
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging beyond the fringes and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything


They all explain the bigger picture yes. Not sure why you are offended or amped up now. It is what it is. You have been lied too. All of us have.

You mentioned common sense, yet believe a man that lives in the clouds. Gotcha.


Walked into that didn’t you, whatba clown

Common sense I stated very clearly many don’t believe in the bible
I am a Christian who believes the bible teaches Jesus died and rose but it sure doesn’t teach your esoteric nonsense
It sure doesn’t and outside you telling me it does offered me and others nothing but banal psychobabble

The most studied and commented book in the world with a million links and you, not a single reference but your opinion

Bigger picture, Must be a full moon?


Hey Silly.. The bible has all of the esoteric stuff encoded in alegory. That is the whole point. There is a version for the profane, "us" which is literal. The deeper esoteric aspect is the real meat of it. How about the SUN comes from the EAST, dies on the crossover in the sky on the solstice... There's your jesus myth, about the ball of fire in the sky. It is explaining the sun's trek through the heavens. I spent years on this and will not break it all down for the ignorant and lazy who refuse to see the information that is right there, but refuse to look at.


So a book was written about Jesus, His love and sacrifice, His commandments to love others, two books, letters and gospels that teach about self sacrifice, serving others, loving others, forgiving other people and caring for others
That Jesus who loved others died for everyone, begged people to call on His name so He could forgive them because Jesus wants to be with them forever and wants them to care for themselves and not hurt themselves or others

and you think that book is about worshiping stars because of esoteric psychobabble you can’t explain
edit on 16-6-2019 by Raggedyman because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:45 AM
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"Hell" does not come from the Bible itself, as the word never appears there. It is translated from "Sheol," "Hades," Gehenna" and "Tartarus," none of which refer to a place of eternal torment in fire. "Hell" does come from the languages of then-pagan north Europe, most notably as the Norse goddess "Hel" and her supposed realm "Helheim" which would be "House of Hel" in English. Interestingly, the word "Hel" appears twice in the 1611 KJV.

As for reincarnation, Nicodemus set Jesus up perfectly to expand on the theme of being born again from the womb, but Jesus took the conversation in another direction.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TheGreatWork

originally posted by: Raggedyman
If you had some knowledge of one subject then maybe but to get both subjects so wrong when you try and mix them together
Judaism did not believe in an afterlife, Christianity does not accept the rapture as a reality, it’s an assumption, very vague at that.
Jesus is God and will call those who choose a relationship with Him into eternal rest and peace
Reincarnation in Hinduism is same person carrying the same sins into the next life, Jesus ended that thought and process utterly and completely

Sin free in Jesus, already a new creation, that is nothing related to reincarnation
The first death in Christianity is to die to self and live a Christian, you and your gnostic imaginings

As for your knowledge of reincarnation via Hinduism and Buddhism, it’s a joke.


Sorry buddy but every mystery tradition explains that the Bible is in fact a guide to the human body and it's functions, with some astrotheology in there as well. When you start to dig it becomes extremely apparent. The thing is, it makes no difference if the man existed or not because it is irrelevant once you learn what it is all about.


Sorry buddy but what? Are you serious?
Did you just say “ every “ mystery” tradition” explains that the bible is?
Like every mystery tradition is valid, correct and usurps common sense, seriously?
And astrotheology, seriously?
Most people don’t believe in the bible and you are hanging beyond the fringes and claiming esoteric psychobabble like it’s reality

When I dig it?
Whatever, sell it to morons, they will star and flag anything


They all explain the bigger picture yes. Not sure why you are offended or amped up now. It is what it is. You have been lied too. All of us have.

You mentioned common sense, yet believe a man that lives in the clouds. Gotcha.


Walked into that didn’t you, whatba clown

Common sense I stated very clearly many don’t believe in the bible
I am a Christian who believes the bible teaches Jesus died and rose but it sure doesn’t teach your esoteric nonsense
It sure doesn’t and outside you telling me it does offered me and others nothing but banal psychobabble

The most studied and commented book in the world with a million links and you, not a single reference but your opinion

Bigger picture, Must be a full moon?


Hey Silly.. The bible has all of the esoteric stuff encoded in alegory. That is the whole point. There is a version for the profane, "us" which is literal. The deeper esoteric aspect is the real meat of it. How about the SUN comes from the EAST, dies on the crossover in the sky on the solstice... There's your jesus myth, about the ball of fire in the sky. It is explaining the sun's trek through the heavens. I spent years on this and will not break it all down for the ignorant and lazy who refuse to see the information that is right there, but refuse to look at.


So a book was written about Jesus, His love and sacrifice, His commandments to love others, two books, letters and gospels that teach about self sacrifice, serving others, loving others, forgiving other people and caring for others

and you think that book is about worshiping stars because of esoteric psychobabble you can’t explain


Much is about the stars and the body and all of it can be explained. Yes there is a message on how to behave but that is not what I am talking about. Those commandments are common sense. I am referring to the deeper aspects to it. All other religions and texts talk about the same exact thing, just worded differently. Your not going to understand where I am coming from, and have no desire to learn or be open minded about something extremely important. Lets just agree to disagree.



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: TheGreatWork

Yeah but🤣😁😏🤠
I have to believe you and your esoteric psychobabble

Deeper aspects, you have offered nothing but your (and who are you and why should I care) opinion
I do disagree, all other religions talk about something, your type of psychobabble.
Christianity is focused on Jesus not stars in the night sky

Yes we disagree

Jesus, God the Father see this life as nothing special or to be held on to, so different to you and your opinions



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman




...stars in the night sky



The Master asks - What is more numerous - stars in the sky...or gold teeth in Memphis?



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 10:25 AM
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Oh my. I just woke up.

I didn't expect so many responses. Usually my posts on this subject are deleted after a few minutes or hours.

Kudos to ATS for keeping it up. This is a Truly rare occurrence.

I will do my best to respond, meanwhile here is a researcher who supports Biblical Reincarnation and provides some good arguments...



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: glend
In the Second Council of Constantinople the concept of reincarnation, combined with other ideas under the term "pre-existence of the soul" was declared as a crime worthy of excommunication and damnation.

Yet Jeremiah 1:5 states "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Why then does Rome fear reincarnation. Do they think it eliminates the fear of eternal hell. Threatening rule over the masses.

Perhaps.

Excellent response!

When Jesus descended into the 'Lower Parts of the Earth', which is the Womb, he gave gifts to the unborn...

Ephesians 4:8
"Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men"


What were these gifts?

Ephesians 4:11
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers"


Now your verse and the verse above match perfectly.

Here is a link I found a while back with a snip...

Theodora knew that as long as reincarnation was anchored fast in Christian consciousness, the people would never accept her as a goddess. And so the doctrine of reincarnation had to be completely blotted out. Theodora selected the monophysitist monks, who were soon to be pardoned from their excommunications, as willing helpers. They were to ensure that every teaching of reincarnation completely disappeared from all church documents.

Reincarnation: The Churches Biggest Lie

And yes, you are absolutely correct in that the notion of Reincarnation is extremely threatening to the Powers That Be... especially Satan.

The last thing Satan wants is for the entire planet to realize that the God of Christianity Truly is LOVE and is forever MERCIFUL.




posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: UncleMikey

Maybe you have that backwards, heaven is being away from the hell that is this reality contrust? I've always considered that this construct we experience is actually a prison. Dying is getting a break from this prison, like a day pass, before you go right back in again.

What better way to make a prison that would last an infinite period of time than to sentence an entity to live every life within each and every finite construct across an infinite number of constructs?

Cheers - Dave



posted on Jun, 16 2019 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: UncleMikey

While God is not the God of second chances he is indeed the God of infinite chances... At least until final judgement or second death... Don’t be confused by that either for it would better be deemed final or eternal death of body and soul...

There are three components that make up a Human Being...

1) Body
2) Soul
3) Spirit

It is the Body and Soul that get destroyed in the Lake of Fire...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"


The Spirit however returns to God for another try...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"


Ecclesiastes 3:21
"Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?"


The Body is the Hard Drive. The Soul is the data. The Spirit is the BIOS and OS.

The Hard Drive may be destroyed and Soul/Data may be erased, but the BIOS and OS can start all over with a fresh format or new Hard Drive to have another go.




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