Trying to resolve 9/11

a reply to: kwakakev

Nope. You don’t get to change the subject after trying to push a blatant falsehood.

You need to come to terms there was no controlled demolition of the WTC.

You need to come to terms your credibility was trashed by you.

Just like the talking heads of the truth movement. Get caught in a lie, and somehow changing the subjects makes it all good. Idiots.

Again..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Oh. By the way. It’s says it right there in the title of the F’N video



WTC core collapsing.

It is F’n literally spelled out for you.


originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Here is more evidence that your claims of the core columns remained standing is false. This photo clearly shows there are two holes where the core columns where. There is still a littleof the outer walls still standing once all the dust settled.

The photos you use as evidence of the core columns standing is of the outer walls.

Nice try at a blatant falsehood.

How does a picture after the collapse show I am wrong? In that the core of the tube in tube design fell after the collapse of the floor system? And the core failure from loss of lateral support?

One...

3WHAT ABOUT THE ALMOST FREE-FALL COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS? The key is the “almost” modifier. If I told you I was making almost $100,000 and you found out I was making only $67,000, you’d say I was exaggerating. So stop exaggerating the collapse speed of the WTC Towers! The 80,000 tons of structural steel slowed down the collapses of the Twin Towers to about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall.3 And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.

www.skeptic.com...

Two....

At about the 10 minute mark, it is explained the collapse of the twin towers was not through the cores with video evidence. The floors were torn from around the tube in tube design.

The Dumbing Down of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

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From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

www.nist.gov...

Three different sources that agree by looking at the video evidence, the core fell after being stripped of the floor system. The core columns tumbled outward after loss of the lateral support of the floor system?


Now. This American welding report

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

The Americans Welding Report clearly states...

“ the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column.”

That means a falling load bent or removed the floor connections. That means the core columns and the exterior columns were still supporting the floors when the upper portion of the building above the jet impacts fell into the building below smashing floors.

That also means no planted pyrotechnics initiated the collapse because no controlled demolition system would have survived the jet impacts and fires to initiate.

Now, this screenshot of core columns tumbling after the loss of the floor system.



How do we know the long single columns falling over one by one were not exterior panels as you claim. Because the columns falling over in the screenshot look like core columns, and noting like the exterior panels of the twin towers’ outer wall.

The exterior panels where sections with three vertical columns.


www.fema.gov...


www.fema.gov...

When the exterior panels collapse, they fractured into their original prefabricated state as shown in the photos of the collapse pile. Panels with three vertical columns two to three stories tall.



www.flickr.com...

Again...




The long single vertical columns falling over after the complete collapse of the floor system that do not show indication of being a prefabricate panel only about two to three stories tall with three vertical columns are the vertical columns.

The panels breaking into sections with three vertical columns are the exterior panels, or exterior walls that held up the floors opposite the core columns.

The long single vertical columns that look like they housed elevator shafts falling over one after another are the core columns failing after being stripped of the floor system.

posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

In short.

The prefabricate exterior panels failing and falling:





Look like nothing when the core columns tumbled from loss of lateral support after stripped of the floor system







And yes. Your full of crap.

You don’t get to change the subject after trying to push a blatant falsehood.

I don't know how to help you when you claim the source of the iron micro spheres was the office fires. Our comprehensions of reality is too far in conflict. Collecting what bits and piece of this puzzle is one thing I can do to help resolve it.

9/11 Nasties (2020)


9/11: A Nuclear Meltdown?


JUSTICE RISING | 9/11 IN 2020 (Justice Friday on 9/11/20)

originally posted by: kwakakev

You don’t get to change the subject after trying to push a blatant falsehood.

I don't know how to help you when you claim the source of the iron micro spheres was the office fires. Our comprehensions of reality is too far in conflict. Collecting what bits and piece of this puzzle is one thing I can do to help resolve it.

9/11 Nasties (2020)

9/11: A Nuclear Meltdown?

JUSTICE RISING | 9/11 IN 2020 (Justice Friday on 9/11/20)

Hello. Concerning the WTC there is zero evidence the cores were cut. After collapse initiation, the cores collapsed only after being stripped of the floor systems. There is no evidence they were cut.

Again...

Plus, the less massive floor connections where not “dustified” or “evaporated”.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Tower
app.aws.org...

Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation. Depending upon weld joint geometry, detachment of the main load-bearing seats was a result of either fracture in the heat affected zone of the base material (standoff plate detached from spandrel) or through the weld metal (seat angle detached from standoff plate). Failure in both cases was assumed to be a result of a shear mechanism as a result of overloading from floors above impacting those below. There did not appear to be a significant change in distribution of failure modes of the floor truss connections when comparing those connections inside vs. outside of the impact region or those ex- posed to pre-collapse fires and those that were not.

So. No proof of columns being evaporate.

a reply to: kwakakev

And again...

See the picture below of the Tower’s core columns stripped of the floor system still standing in long lengths.



Its not glowing white hot because it was not heated to the point where steel would evaporate at over 5000 degrees Fahrenheit. There is no molten slag. No sparking of thermite burning.

There is zero evidence the towers were exposed to temperatures other that of normal office fires, and burning jet fuel.

a reply to: kwakakev

It is well know and been posted repeatedly there are other causes of microspheres than thermite burning.

Truth movement samples and results have never been confirmed by a independent third party from samples submitted for verification.

There is no evidence of cut columns from the physical evidence.

The video recorded shows core columns still standing after being stripped of the floor system.

Smaller and less massive steel floor connections were accounted for and found in a collapse were you falsely claim more massive steel columns were evaporated.

a reply to: neutronflux

Truth movement samples and results have never been confirmed by a independent third party from samples submitted for verification.

You have confirmed the presence of the iron micro spheres with your past links. There was lots of it in the dust, lots of verification of their presence.

One way to make them is to form liquid steel then smack it hard so lots little drops go all over the place. When the iron cools back down it forms these small spherical shapes.

Thermite is one possibility to form the liquid metal state for the spheres to form. Some other top secret military explosive is another.

An office fire or collapsing floor connectors do not fit the evidence.

NY Fire Commissioner Christopher Gioia at Lawyers' Committee 9/11 Anniversary Event 2020


The NY Fire Commissioner is also facing a lot of issues in trying to resolve this. Courts are too scared to touch it.

a reply to: kwakakev

There was no cut columns. There was no evaporate steel from temperatures greater than normal office fires. There were no temperatures greater than what can be achieved with normal office items and jet fuel. The twin towers core columns fell last, after the floor system was stripped away. There is no possible way a controlled demolition system could survive the jet impacts and fires to actuate collapse as recorded by video from multiple angles. The less massive floor connections did not evaporate. The floor connections show a load sheared or bent them while still attached to vertical columns. There are more ways to make iron microspheres than thermite. The WTC would have been contaminated with micro irons spheres from construction. The truth movement sampled were never released to a independent third party for verification. Richard Gage is caught in multiple falsehoods.

a reply to: kwakakev

Again...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Nope. You don’t get to change the subject after trying to push a blatant falsehood.

You need to come to terms there was no controlled demolition of the WTC.

You need to come to terms your credibility was trashed by you.

Just like the talking heads of the truth movement. Get caught in a lie, and somehow changing the subjects makes it all good. Idiots.

Again..

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Oh. By the way. It’s says it right there in the title of the F’N video



WTC core collapsing.

It is F’n literally spelled out for you.


originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Here is more evidence that your claims of the core columns remained standing is false. This photo clearly shows there are two holes where the core columns where. There is still a littleof the outer walls still standing once all the dust settled.

The photos you use as evidence of the core columns standing is of the outer walls.

Nice try at a blatant falsehood.

How does a picture after the collapse show I am wrong? In that the core of the tube in tube design fell after the collapse of the floor system? And the core failure from loss of lateral support?

One...

3WHAT ABOUT THE ALMOST FREE-FALL COLLAPSE OF THE TWIN TOWERS? The key is the “almost” modifier. If I told you I was making almost $100,000 and you found out I was making only $67,000, you’d say I was exaggerating. So stop exaggerating the collapse speed of the WTC Towers! The 80,000 tons of structural steel slowed down the collapses of the Twin Towers to about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall.3 And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed, coming down last.4 According to Richard Gage: “To bring a building symmetrically down, what we have to do is remove the core columns.” But on 9/11 the stronger core columns came down last, which violates this supposed most fundamental rule of controlled demolition.

www.skeptic.com...

Two....

At about the 10 minute mark, it is explained the collapse of the twin towers was not through the cores with video evidence. The floors were torn from around the tube in tube design.

The Dumbing Down of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Three

From video evidence, significant portions of the cores of both buildings (roughly 60 stories of WTC 1 and 40 stories of WTC 2) are known to have stood 15 to 25 seconds after collapse initiation before they, too, began to collapse. Neither the duration of the seismic records nor video evidence (due to obstruction of view caused by debris clouds) are reliable indicators of the total time it took for each building to collapse completely.

www.nist.gov...

Three different sources that agree by looking at the video evidence, the core fell after being stripped of the floor system. The core columns tumbled outward after loss of the lateral support of the floor system?


Now. This American welding report

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

The Americans Welding Report clearly states...

“ the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column.”

That means a falling load bent or removed the floor connections. That means the core columns and the exterior columns were still supporting the floors when the upper portion of the building above the jet impacts fell into the building below smashing floors.

That also means no planted pyrotechnics initiated the collapse because no controlled demolition system would have survived the jet impacts and fires to initiate.

Now, this screenshot of core columns tumbling after the loss of the floor system.



How do we know the long single columns falling over one by one were not exterior panels as you claim. Because the columns falling over in the screenshot look like core columns, and noting like the exterior panels of the twin towers’ outer wall.

The exterior panels where sections with three vertical columns.


www.fema.gov...


www.fema.gov...

When the exterior panels collapse, they fractured into their original prefabricated state as shown in the photos of the collapse pile. Panels with three vertical columns two to three stories tall.



www.flickr.com...

Again...




The long single vertical columns falling over after the complete collapse of the floor system that do not show indication of being a prefabricate panel only about two to three stories tall with three vertical columns are the vertical columns.

The panels breaking into sections with three vertical columns are the exterior panels, or exterior walls that held up the floors opposite the core columns.

The long single vertical columns that look like they housed elevator shafts falling over one after another are the core columns failing after being stripped of the floor system.

posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

In short.

The prefabricate exterior panels failing and falling:





Look like nothing when the core columns tumbled from loss of lateral support after stripped of the floor system







And yes. Your full of crap.

a reply to: kwakakev

It has been proven you will post blatant falsehoods.

You killed your own credibility. And you are shameless in your campaign of falsehoods like Richard Gage and Architects and Engineers.

Shame on you.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Here is more evidence that your claims of the core columns remained standing is false. This photo clearly shows there are two holes where the core columns where. There is still a little of the outer walls still standing once all the dust settled.

The photos you use as evidence of the core columns standing is of the outer walls.

So. What is the motivation posting your blatant falsehood?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Oh. By the way. It’s says it right there in the title of the F’N video



WTC core collapsing.

It is F’n literally spelled out for you.

a reply to: neutronflux

There are more ways to make iron microspheres than thermite. The WTC would have been contaminated with micro irons spheres from construction.

With the welding during construction there would of been some liquid metal. With the way it was built, any lose dust and blobs would of been cleaned up and blown away long before other construction around the steel frames took place,

Iron Microspheres Confirm Unexplained Extreme Temperatures

a reply to: kwakakev

Stop changing the subject from a moot point.

There were no cut columns...

Again.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux



Here is more evidence that your claims of the core columns remained standing is false. This photo clearly shows there are two holes where the core columns where. There is still a little of the outer walls still standing once all the dust settled.

The photos you use as evidence of the core columns standing is of the outer walls.

So. What is the motivation posting your blatant falsehood?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Oh. By the way. It’s says it right there in the title of the F’N video



WTC core collapsing.

It is F’n literally spelled out for you.

a reply to: kwakakev

Again...

There was no cut columns. There was no evaporate steel from temperatures greater than normal office fires. There were no temperatures greater than what can be achieved with normal office items and jet fuel. The twin towers core columns fell last, after the floor system was stripped away. There is no possible way a controlled demolition system could survive the jet impacts and fires to actuate collapse as recorded by video from multiple angles. The less massive floor connections did not evaporate. The floor connections show a load sheared or bent them while still attached to vertical columns. There are more ways to make iron microspheres than thermite. The WTC would have been contaminated with micro irons spheres from construction. The truth movement sampled were never released to a independent third party for verification. Richard Gage is caught in multiple falsehoods.

a reply to: neutronflux

Stop changing the subject from a moot point.

We did agree in past posts that we are not changing from the topic of the iron micro spheres until we can find some agreement on that.

Where did they come from?

Office fires, collapsing floors and construction methods do not fit the evidence.

a reply to: kwakakev

You posted this

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Here is more evidence that your claims of the core columns remained standing is false. This photo clearly shows there are two holes where the core columns where. There is still a little of the outer walls still standing once all the dust settled.

The photos you use as evidence of the core columns standing is of the outer walls.

Before you started posting about the iron microspheres again, you posted the above in regards to the twin towers did not collapse through path of most resistance.

It’s is blatantly false. Why would you post such a falsehood? It seems the order of collapse is important. And that the floor connections were stripped from still standing vertical columns.

Again...

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

Oh. By the way. It’s says it right there in the title of the F’N video



WTC core collapsing.

It is F’n literally spelled out for you.

a reply to: kwakakev

To be more specific. The order of collapse is important enough for you to post proven falsehoods.

Why?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

To be more specific. The order of collapse is important enough for you to post proven falsehoods.

Why?

No. Our ability to share a common understanding of reality is why I am only sticking to the topic of the iron micro spheres with you. This is an important piece of evidence in the overall picture of events. If we cannot find some agreement here, we never will.

a reply to: kwakakev

No. You started this with a blatantly false post.

Did the twin towers fall through the path of least resistance or not.

You seem to be willing to lie about it, and not even be ashamed about it. So it must be important enough to lie about. Why?

Again. The physical evidence is floor connections were stripped from still standing vertical columns by a falling mass. There is zero evidence of core columns being cut.

a reply to: neutronflux

You seem to be willing to lie about it, and not even be ashamed about it. So it must be important enough to lie about. Why?

9/11 is important, so much changed that day. Lot of damage done in many different ways and continues in various ways. I can see you are hurting too with so much commitment to the issue.

The way I understand this world, there is only one reality that we all share. Those small iron micro spheres have no agenda, just a story of what happened?

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

You seem to be willing to lie about it, and not even be ashamed about it. So it must be important enough to lie about. Why?

9/11 is important, so much changed that day. Lot of damage done in many different ways and continues in various ways. I can see you are hurting too with so much commitment to the issue.

The way I understand this world, there is only one reality that we all share. Those small iron micro spheres have no agenda, just a story of what happened?

Still glossing over your blatant falsehood I see.

Again...

You don’t get to change the subject.

No. You started this with a blatantly false post.

Did the twin towers fall through the path of least resistance or not.

You seem to be willing to lie about it, and not even be ashamed about it. So it must be important enough to lie about. Why?

Again. The physical evidence is floor connections were stripped from still standing vertical columns by a falling mass. There is zero evidence of core columns being cut.

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Yes the word has change. I remember a time where people were truthful and admitted to making false statements. Whatever sickness the main stream media has, the truth movement, ufology, and cryptozoology have the same sickness.