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originally posted by: pravdaseeker
a reply to: putnam6
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
Greetings putnam6, and thanks for your thoughts.
First off, I am not freaking out.... none of this is a surprise at all to me, in fact almost totally predictable.
I do have concerns it will likely, or easily could start the worst war with a nation in the middle east since 9-11, and by a long shot too.
I am also fully aware of those crazy "contingency plans" they have on everything/everyone, every nation; including your grandmother turning into a zombie and the needed response.
Getting a Dr Strangelove feeling happening suddenly..Ha!
And I understand where you are coming from on popping some nation in the nose when down the road you will be fighting them anyhow? Well maybe anyhow.
Don't mean it is right or proper though.. or "legal".. But who cares about legal these days anymore right?
Not freaking out, check... not surprised.. check.. Disappointed it has become a bigger S**T show? Yes.
originally posted by: pravdaseeker
Dear ATS Readers, Writers,
Iran responsible for 'blatant assault' on oil tankers in Gulf of Oman, Mike Pompeo says
Well the blame game has made its suspected outcome...
Posted as seperate from attack thread... because it is another story in itself...
Direct big step towards military confrontation with Iran I reckon.
so guess we see how this goes from here
The US military has released a video it says shows Iran's Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) removing an unexploded mine from the side of one of two oil tankers attacked earlier in the day. 'At 4:10 p.m. local time an IRGC Gashti Class patrol boat approached the M/T Kokuka Courageous and was observed and recorded removing the unexploded limpet mine from the M/T Kokuka Courageous,' Navy Captain Bill Urban, a spokesman for the US military's Central Command, said in a statement.
not sure if battle group or strike group mean the same thing
WASHINGTON — The U.S. is rushing an aircraft carrier and other military resources to the Middle East after seeing Iranian troops and proxy forces making preparations for attacks against U.S. forces and interests in the region, a defense official told The Associated Press. At the White House, National Security Adviser John Bolton said Sunday night that the U.S. was deploying the USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group and a bomber task force to the U.S. Central Command region, an area that includes the Middle East. In a statement, he said the move was in response to "a number of troubling and escalatory indications and warnings," but did not provide more details. The request would get the ships into the region two weeks earlier than initially planned, according to the defense official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly so spoke on the condition of anonymity.
so thats what forbes is saying
On June 13, just a day after a missile fired by the Iranian-backed Houthi militia hit Abha International Airport in Saudi Arabia, injuring 26 people, the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet came to the assistance of two oil tankers in a "reported attack in the Gulf of Oman." The Houthi missile attack on the Saudi Arabian airport, some 70 miles from the Yemen border, came early on Wednesday morning. It was the latest in more than 200 recent cross-border missile attacks, albeit with greater impact and casualties. The Arab News reported that "the day before the attack, a spokesman for the Houthi military warned that the group planned to target every airport in Saudi Arabia and that the coming days would reveal 'big surprises'." Responding to the airport attack, Saudi Arabia's Deputy Defense Minister Prince Khalid bin Salman said "the Iranian regime is the only party in the region that has been pursuing reckless escalation, through the use of ballistic missiles and UAVs to directly target civilian installations and innocent civilians," adding that "the continuation of the Iranian regime’s aggression and reckless escalation, whether directly or through its militias, will result in grave consequences." A day later, and the attack on two ships near the Strait of Hormuz has raised tensions still further with echoes of the attacks on four vessels off the coast of the UAE a month ago, which was attributed by the U.S. and its allies to Iranian forces or proxies.
glad i fueled up my cars and trucks +atv the other day as gas may start getting more expensive soonish
THE UK is currently backing the US in its assessment that Iran is responsible for suspected attacks on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman, the Foreign Secretary has said. Jeremy Hunt warned Tehran that, if it is proven to be behind the incident, it would be a "deeply unwise escalation which poses a real danger to the prospects of peace and stability in the region". The price of oil rocketed on Thursday amid fears of disruption to one of the world's most important tanker routes as a result of an escalation in the region.
The Japanese company that owns the ‘Kokuka Courageous’ tanker has said its crew spotted “flying objects” before the attack in the Gulf of Oman, contradicting US claims that the vessel was damaged by a naval mine.
He suggested that those flying objects could have been bullets, and called reports of striking a mine “false.” Both points at which the ship was damaged were above her waterline, which couldn’t be so if it had struck an underwater mine.
seems 12.7mm and up can go through up to 37mm at 500 meters and 27 at 1000 meters (roughly thickness of the hull) using SLAPP rounds so seems to be in ballpark for possibility
The steel plating covering the hull of such a ship varies in thickness from 22 millimeters on the sides to 26 millimeters along the bottom, a little under and a little over one inch, which is ample for stopping most machine-gun bullets. Rockets of any caliber can easily penetrate such plates, but a missile explosion inside a tanker is muffled by the crude oil that fills cargo compartments, and crude oil is unlikely to catch fire, even when exposed to a warhead explosion.
apparently second tanker was headed to tiawan
Panama-listed tanker Kokuka Courageous was damaged in a “suspected attack” that breached the hull above the water line, Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement said * The ship was attacked twice in three hours before all the crew were evacuated, the president of Japanese owner Kokuka Sangyo told reporters * There had been an engine room fire on the tanker, which was carrying a cargo of methanol from Saudi Arabia to Singapore * A second ship, the Marshall Islands-flagged Front Altair, was “suspected of being hit by a torpedo” at around 0400 GMT, said Taiwanese refiner CPC Corp, which had chartered the vessel * The Aframax-class tanker loaded with 75,000 tonnes of naphtha was on fire, said Norwegian owner Frontline * Frontline said the Front Altair was afloat, denying a report by Iran’s IRNA news agency that it had sunk * Frontline said the crew of 23 comprised 11 Russians, 11 Filipinos and one Georgian