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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf
Those who lobby this leviathan are not the problem. Lobbying and petitioning the government is a democratic right, and sometimes the only means to have our concerns heard. (Lobbying helped abolish segregation, for example). The problem is those who would trade freedom and democracy for a little safety.
Like what... Nestle lobbying to privatize water supplies?
Show me one post where you lambast the War on Terror for the same reason. Just one.
Going back to the OP, I see people lobbying for more democracy and against the financial safety of the prevailing TINA mindset. I think you might have lost it.
originally posted by: pexx421
Well, that depends on how you define “lobbying” doesn’t it? If by lobbying you mean people organizing and meeting with representatives in order to persuade them of a specific need or cause, then yes. However if your definition of lobbying includes putting millions into the campaign contributions, or guaranteeing lucrative multimillion dollar careers after their term ends, well that I think falls more into the realm of corruption and treason. Lots of terms have been coopted nowadays. Invasion and bombing has become “spreading democracy”. Starving a population of food, money and medicine has become “strong negotiation “, and bribery, corruption and graft has become “lobbying”. Seriously, the term “free market” was originally a socialist term referring to a market free from interest/usury, monopolies, price fixing, and economic rent. Now it means a market free from regulation where all those things are given free, unbridled reign.
Socialists want to give more power to those who take bribes
Lobbying is a fundamental part of participatory democracy, and one of the means with which private citizens can petition their government. And you'd see us denied that right.
Where did you get that from? And how is a critical analysis of the policy decisions, which resulted in this mess of privatizations, not throwing a wrench into this money lubricated mechanism of corruption? And nope. You bringing up segregation is nothing but a good example of how far you'd have to travel back in time in order to find any positive effects of lobbying. Well. Congrats, I guess?
There is no right that would be denied with ending socialism for the rich. It's a privilege, handed out while holding high hopes of increased efficiency via trickle down effects. And then it failed to deliver. Sure. From the oppressors standpoint equality might look like oppression, and I guess the oh-so-nobles felt the same as their usual fun with "primae noctis" had been taken from them, but I really couldn't care less about your crocodile tears for special treatment. Nice try though.
originally posted by: Specimen
Isn't giving military veterans cheques or deposits, able or other wise a form of socialism?
I mean they hardly worked...long enough for it to secure a pension if they become disabled or traumitzed from live action and to not land a job since most places don't hire killers or weapons, due to being over qualified or cheaper hiring someone else?
Idk, why can't they get normal job like normal people, where they should been dentists instead of chasing tv an it programming, an expect free things at the end?
You are lamenting the power of private citizens, the “mechanism”, while reserving zero ire for the ones who accept bribes and draw up policy, the government.
Sorry, but people are more wealthier, healthier, and happier than ever. It makes your insipid search for a socialist bogeyman all the more embarrassing.