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Socialism for the Rich

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posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:05 PM
a reply to: Freeborn

We very clearly have broken and corrupt systems reaching never before seen levels of corruption and inequality

Thats only going to go so far before heads get chopped off and society collapses due to lack of resources after we plunder the earth

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:08 PM
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

I suspect we agree on more than we don't, at least when it comes to this as I believe giving more power or money to those who have a demonstrated vested interest against US would be detrimental.

First, we need to have a deep and sustained conversation about the nature of our own government and why nearly everything they "do" for us is part of a coordinated attack on actual capitalism and why the competition they promote is nothing more than a distraction for the pleebs.

Including the very notion, which is laughable on its face, that there is any measurable difference between Wall Street and Congress. We might follow this up with a push to replace all legalese with plain language and get to work on repealing laws and regulations designed to promote hand chosen "winners" and "losers."

We need to address the coming crisis of truly global jobs vs. the disparity between educated Chinese and Indian grads and our own much smaller pool of skilled workers.

Then we can move on to 'corporate speech' (you get as many votes as you employ, but no special treatment beyond that, so treat em' well and pay em' fairly.

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:27 PM
a reply to: toysforadults

Despite all the spin and pontificating the fact remains that in recent years the gap between the have's and the have not's has increased massively and continues to grow.
Is that the way we really want to go?

No-one denies that hard work, inventiveness, intelligence and endeavour should be rewarded but as a song from my formative years says " all of us can not come first but what we have is second best".

Things both should and could be so much better, unfortunately so many people are locked in pre-conceived and set in stone ideologies that allow for nothing but their left/right perspective and bias.

it seems all notions and mention of collective good and well being are severely frowned upon these days.

As for me, I'm still as passionate today as I was in my teens....I don't just want to change the system, I want to smash it to bits....but I know I'm very much in the minority.

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:36 PM
a reply to: Freeborn

Whens the last time you read a post where someone was actually talking about actual problems and solutions instead of just parroting their bs macrod responses?

How about inflation, the federal reserve, corporations controlling our economy by lobbying politics to pass laws that make it harder to start a business or create massive barriers to entry

Nope just total thoughtless bs points of view parrot over and over again

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:44 PM
a reply to: Freeborn

Personally I find it morally obscene that so few people can amass so much wealth, generally on the back of others endeavours or have some sort of inherited privileged birth right. I hear about 'trickle down economics', it doesn't work, never has done.

I ask you... if you wrote a story and it became a global best seller that you sold 500 million copies of your book and you became a billionaire because of it... how did you do it by stepping on the backs of others or some how morally bankrupt for your efforts? That is exactly what happened to JK Rowling, the author of Harry Potter.

Trickle down economics doesn't work? Have you looked around?

Let's use one example. Ken Griffin is one of the most successful hedge fund managers. He is worth some $10 billion. He started trading stocks out of his dorm room as an undergrad at Harvard. Last year, he bought the most expensive house ever... dropped like $250 million on a penthouse in NYC.

How many people were employed by the developer who built that penthouse? Thousands... You got the Realtors. The attorneys. The construction workers. The food trucks. The architects. Literally thousands of people who are in some way connected to that one purchase and they earn a living because he had the audacity to be the best investor in his industry and amass a multi-billion fortune.

By the way, he has donated hundreds of millions to various charities.

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 08:54 PM
a reply to: toysforadults

No-one offers solutions....just defence of the status quo or ideologically biased dogma.

I'm not clever enough to offer viable solutions....I just know what we have at present could and should be so much better.

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 09:42 PM
a reply to: Freeborn

My favorite thing is watching the right wingers attack progressives while actively defending our current progressive economic government system as a free market capitalist system

They dont even know what they are doing

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 11:31 PM
a reply to: Edumakated

Wow. I really like this response and that's a great explanation. I agree that it's statistic, number, and word games tripping us up, Well put. It's hard to imagine a world where you are competing on a global scale, and that's just natural. I personally think we should be left to govern ourselves, that makes sense, I'm not for a one world government. But if there are certain recognized skills and traits, and you are the best of the best, it's deserving of compensation.

There are counter arguments: If you are operating on a global scale, do you really need 10,000 lifetimes worth of resources to operate at that level? The abundance question Perhaps karmicly. But in that regard that begs the question do you really deserve it? That's the moral high ground point. Then there is the 'externalized costs'. A lot of people buying into socialism are pushing onto us this idea that everything around us is stolen from other places.

I personally think capitalism is a great way to make culture thrive. It's really the smaller countries that need socialism to step up and into this level. Once you put in the work and it pays off it really does make sense. Ideas lead to actions lead to results. Having the ideas actually does take a toll on you in some way or another, because you are then responsible for people's actions. It deserves some kind of respect.

posted on Jun, 13 2019 @ 11:31 PM
(double post)
edit on 13-6-2019 by Attentionwandered because: (double)

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 01:39 AM
a reply to: 0zzymand0s

The nature of any government that does not serve to protect their citizen’s freedoms is tyranny, whether hard or soft. The form of peaceful slavery we have become accustomed to these days treats us more as a ward than a slave, but the state still has the power to restrict our lives, even to death.

Add on top of that a vast administrative state, which, though unelected, makes a variety of rules and regulations without democratic input, we open ourselves to corruption.

On top of that they take our wealth to fund our chains, leaving us a government premised on the principle of plunder, theft, and injustice.

Those who lobby this leviathan are not the problem. Lobbying and petitioning the government is a democratic right, and sometimes the only means to have our concerns heard. (Lobbying helped abolish segregation, for example). The problem is those who would trade freedom and democracy for a little safety.

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posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 06:58 AM
a reply to: Freeborn

But I guess many will just think that I'm some sort of damn, pinko commie British bastard who wants everything handing on a plate.

Look at the responses I've got and laugh it off with me. You did a good job expressing your point, I'm glad you guys chimed in and gave us your take. At this point some "people" seem to believe that there is no problem. Ignorance at it's finest.

However, there is some common ground to be found in the betterment of humanity (there's your answer, Steppenwolf). I can remember a time in which conservatives understood their responsibility, what the fck happened to noblesse oblige?

I hear about 'trickle down economics', it doesn't work, never has done.

Obviously. Nor did the privatization of public services increase efficiency, the opposite is the case. We might have to start there, going into the details and presenting hard facts to shatter this system of ignorance before we go smashing our system to bits. I'm convinced that we need more democracy, not less. Direct democracy, better education and an UBI are a few solutions waiting to be implemented.

Our representatives represented the interests of capital over the last decades, and at this point it's corrupted to it's core. There is no lobby for common sense an decency. I believe we need to take our republics back from the MICes, and end the forever wars for profits. Fighting wealth inequality is just one point on our growing to-do-list, and possibly one that would be relatively easy to accomplish once we've changed the policies responsible for this disaster.

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 07:15 AM

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Freeborn

My favorite thing is watching the right wingers attack progressives while actively defending our current progressive economic government system as a free market capitalist system

They dont even know what they are doing

The running gag of our threads.

Neocons and more extreme rightwingers fighting for neoliberal policies as if their life depends on it, which it probably does. Imagine they're all paid by our/ your tax-Dollars as congressmen, police troopers or fatigue wearing military apes from the shadow courts of Top Secret America.
United in class-warfare, fed by their very own victims like the life draining parasites they are.

The absurdity of this situation is giving me the giggles. Never stop pressing that point!

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 04:55 PM

originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: strongfp

The US is a nation that is controlled by corporations and mega companys pretty much.

Big corporations control the world, not just the U.S.
Corporate Power

As for the OP, I think the author makes a few valid points, but then devolves the article into a "life isn't fair" story.
He downplays hard work and emphasizes luck too much. Sure there are people who get more breaks than me. There are also more talented people and smarter people. But if I want to play guitar like Hendrix, I've got to put in the time and practice. Thousands of hours, practicing while my friends are out partying. I can't buy a guitar, practice for a year, and then say "Life isn't fair" because I'm not a virtuoso. Yet more and more, that's precisely the attitude people seem to have. As Ringo said: "It don't come easy."

In a healthy society, wealth is admired. In a sick society, wealth is despised.

That's so right.

Dire Straits:

I shoulda learned to play the guitar, I shoulda learned to play them drums. ... No that aint working, that's the way you do it. You play the guitar on MTV

Should've, would've, could've are excuses in some sense. Hendrix went all in an meant it. He concentrated and took it to another level.

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 05:08 PM

originally posted by: Edumakated
a reply to: dfnj2015

A billionaire's income has nothing to do with your healthcare. You could tax the 1% 100% in the US and it still wouldn't be enough.

When was the last time a broke person gave you a job?

Bill Gates has employed hundreds of thousands of people. He has made tens of thousands of his employees millionaires. The ancillary business that also create jobs and wealth from doing business with Microsoft is beyond calculation.

We haven't even gotten into all the charitable giving not just from him, but others he has made wealthy....

Add in that old Bill with his friends at Microsoft mostly taught themselves from scratch how to create and modify a personal computer. The Operating system was the tip of the iceberg that became Graphic User Interface.

They took us all from a room full of electronics that was full of excess heat and sloowwww, to a PC tablet with 100's of times the power of that room full of computer. Very little revenue to begin the PC idea but look at Gates pull his idea out against his pal with Apple.

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 05:20 PM

originally posted by: toysforadults
Its only a matter of time.before you can get the right wingers having to repeat the same tired crap over and over and over hypocritically having to defend corporate welfare or starve kids to death because their parents are losers

Hilarious watching the nutjobs have to take these positions

Who here did that? Find it please, we will be better informed. All will agree to be against that. I don't think the so called Right wingers are Right wingers. I think they are middle that appears right to the people inclined to buy the current BS from the Progressives.

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 05:31 PM

originally posted by: AScrubWhoDied
Lets just go ahead and pretend the extremely rich doesn't lobby to have legislation passed (or lack thereof) thats in the interest of remaining extremely rich and not for the American people.

Lets go ahead and pretend that monopolies and collusion between coporate entities don't exist -

Lets all go ahead and pretend we love "capitalism" so much that we don't even practice it.

Do you not see the crime you have described? They are buying off the top and that is what the DJT situation has brought to the surface!

Apparently too many in Congress are owned by foreign entities thru International Organizations.Like the Joe Biden's are in the news about now for hanky panky with China. Their greed is on display right now.

posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 06:30 PM

originally posted by: strongfp
Throughout following this thread was thinking to myself, has wealth changed its meaning since capitalism was first sort of seeded in the 1500s?
There seems to be a trend with wealthy people and poor people in a society, it always seems to end up in some sort of backlash or revolution, we've seen this many, many times throughout history. Has the concept of money run out of I guess best way I cam put is 'capitalism juice', the driving force behind the economic concept is managing fiat currency, which then builds wealth, whether it's net worth, or actual money 'worth'.
I feel like it's almost outgrown itself to the point where money doesn't mean much anymore, and therefore we are just back to almost square one, wealth means power, and lots of it.

My question is, are we on the brink of another revolution against the wealthy? Or are we on the road to 'perfect capitalism'?
Which raises another question, will a form of neo - communism come into play again?

I was thinking to much at work about this...

Was wealth in the hands of the King(s) and his henchmen?

I think certainly that was so prior to 1500's and beyond that the King or Queen determined if someone had a way to create wealth as land holders with serfs.

posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:19 AM
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Maybe you're right. I just don't know anymore. I appreciate the friendly back and forth. Thank you.

posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:25 PM
a reply to: Justoneman

If there is a king or queen involved it is a monarch. Capitslism doesnt really exist, all the wealth is controlled by the monarchs estate financiers.

A government that is basically controlled by the wealthiest in a capitalist nation still has democracy tied to it. Just that the people you'll be voting for will be the the wealthiest.

posted on Jun, 18 2019 @ 08:18 AM
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Those who lobby this leviathan are not the problem. Lobbying and petitioning the government is a democratic right, and sometimes the only means to have our concerns heard. (Lobbying helped abolish segregation, for example). The problem is those who would trade freedom and democracy for a little safety.

Like what... Nestle lobbying to privatize water supplies?
Show me one post where you lambast the War on Terror for the same reason. Just one.

Going back to the OP, I see people lobbying for more democracy and against the financial safety of the prevailing TINA mindset. I think you might have lost it.

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