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Its Official - Democrats Now Care More About Illegal Immigrants Than They Do For U.S. Citizens.

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posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
Us Democrats want to make the world better... For everyone

No, you want to make everyone dependent on the government for everything, because that is the source of your power.


That's a half truth... Literally.. it's only half the equation

My optimal set up is where the people are dependent on the government, and the government is dependent on the people.

Basically.. we are all dependent on each other.. since that is reality, and those who try a exclude/seclude themselves from that system are ignorant to how the world/nature/society truly works.




posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

So 20,000 in one year .. we had over 100,000 come across last month alone. The wall is not for the 20k, it's the other 1.18 million. With the wall up those 20k will still get into the US, it does not stop that at all.

Are you claiming because 20k come here with a legal and valid reason we need to allow 1.18 million people in without a valid reason?


The wall cannot discriminate.

You know, by your logic, you could prevent people from jay-walking, just by nuking the planet from space.



Your posts make no sense. You build a wall. They come up through the road, at a port of entry, and request asylum. The wall will not stop anyone from coming to America at a port of entry.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Love equally, not more. Their duty is to their citizens, not illegals. I love everyone. Not everyone can live in America.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.

When there are 99,990 people in a group that are trying to enter illegally it is completely justified to call them a group of illegals, they are. Did they file for permission with the Mexican government to enter Mexico legally? Oops, I guess they are all illegals then. Every single one of them in this video entered Mexico illegally.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

So 20,000 in one year .. we had over 100,000 come across last month alone. The wall is not for the 20k, it's the other 1.18 million. With the wall up those 20k will still get into the US, it does not stop that at all.

Are you claiming because 20k come here with a legal and valid reason we need to allow 1.18 million people in without a valid reason?


The wall cannot discriminate.

You know, by your logic, you could prevent people from jay-walking, just by nuking the planet from space.



Your posts make no sense. You build a wall. They come up through the road, at a port of entry, and request asylum. The wall will not stop anyone from coming to America at a port of entry.


But the official policy that turns back asylum seekers at the ports of entry stops them.

Then there is also a growing backlog of people who have applied for asylum and are awaiting a decision. Some people have been waiting up to four years, so add another 100,000 new applicants a year when the maximum processing is in the 10,000's and you can see that in real terms, the border is actually now effectively closed to asylum seekers.

And remember, Trump has twice shut down the ports of entry at the Southern border, not to mention that the Government shutdown, while not affecting border patrols, did close ALL the immigration courts.

And, if you care to check the figures, deportation numbers currently exceed the number of apprehensions of those who try and cross undocumented. The net migration of the undocumented is currently negative.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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The net is negative because they are working overtime to catch the 100,000 a month trying to cross illegally. There is no reason they can not sit and wait in Mexico while their Asylum is processed. As you said, people are getting Asylum when they deserve it as proven by your figure of how many are getting it. The only thing Trump and the wall is looking to stop is people who do not qualify entering.

Want to fix the backlog, make it an automatic rejection for anyone who does not apply in their homeland without proving why they could not apply there. Stop supporting illegals if you care about legals, illegals screw the process up for people doing it legally and I am a firsthand witness to that.
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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.

When there are 99,990 people in a group that are trying to enter illegally it is completely justified to call them a group of illegals, they are. Did they file for permission with the Mexican government to enter Mexico legally? Oops, I guess they are all illegals then. Every single one of them in this video entered Mexico illegally.



I can see a stack of armed law enforcement officers there.

Why are none of those breaking the law, being arrested?

Also, remember the Berlin wall? Everyone who demolished the Berlin wall and re-united Germany was doing so illegally.

Sometimes human rights trump unjust and inflexible laws and ordinances. Otherwise, America would still have slavery.

It's a judgement call - are you a child who thinks that laws are immutable or are you an adult who can grasp that there are bigger issues?



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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So now you move the goalposts from they are not illegal to they are but who cares they deserve to be illegal. And no one is surprised. If you really feel this way you should petition your government to take care of the 100,000 who try to cross into America each month for the rest of their life, take care of that bigger issue, let us know how that works out for you.

I love how you invoke the Berlin wall like all foolish liberals who can't think for themselves and repeat a talking point. The Berlin wall was meant to keep people in. They wanted to leave, and West Berlin wanted them. None of them were illegals in West Berlin. The wall was meant to be a Prison, not a protective fence like the locks we put on our houses to keep out people we are not inviting in.
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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

The net is negative because they are working overtime to catch the 100,000 a month trying to cross illegally. There is no reason they can not sit and wait in Mexico while their Asylum is processed. As you said, people are getting Asylum when they deserve it as proven by your figure of how many are getting it. The only thing Trump and the wall is looking to stop is people who do not qualify entering.

Want to fix the backlog, make it an automatic rejection for anyone who does not apply in their homeland without proving why they could not apply there. Stop supporting illegals if you care about legals, illegals screw the process up for people doing it legally and I am a firsthand witness to that.


The 100,000 per month number is those arriving and requesting asylum.

In FY 2017, there were an average of 14,166 apprehended per month. This is thought to be very close to the total number of undocumented entrants per month, for that year.

As far as applications for entry from outside of the US, they cannot apply for asylum from outside US borders. This is partly because embassies are not set up with sufficient resources and immigration courts to deal with the numbers.

Also, people who fit the requirements for asylum or refugee status are running for their lives. They are hardly going to wait around in a situation of mortal peril while officialdom deals with their application.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut
So now you move the goalposts from they are not illegal to they are but who cares they deserve to be illegal.


No, I didn't say that some were not illegal, I said that some were being called 'illegals' when they were not. Some are law breakers but not all.

You shouldn't condemn the innocent along with the guilty.

Nor should you uphold unjust or inapplicable laws, especially of another country that we are potentially granting them amnesty from!

Even for those who are law breakers, the punishment should fit the crime. If they are driven to a minor misdemeanor in fear of their lives, it would be unjust of us to condemn them by laws which we don't uphold.


And no one is surprised. If you really feel this way you should petition your government to take care of the 100,000 who try to cross into America each month for the rest of their life, take care of that bigger issue, let us know how that works out for you.

I love how you invoke the Berlin wall like all foolish liberals who can't think for themselves and repeat a talking point. The Berlin wall was meant to keep people in. They wanted to leave, and West Berlin wanted them. None of them were illegals in West Berlin. The wall was meant to be a Prison, not a protective fence like the locks we put on our houses to keep out people we are not inviting in.


The Berlin wall was built by the GDR to stop the Fascists from getting in to East Germany (they called it the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall meaning 'Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart') and it was also the East Germans who ordered it to to be opened. Berlin Wall From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

But the truth is that the Berlin wall was patrolled on both sides, and anyone trying to bypass it, in either direction, was either shot or arrested.

If it made East Berlin a prison, it made West Berlin a prison, too.

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