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Its Official - Democrats Now Care More About Illegal Immigrants Than They Do For U.S. Citizens.

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posted on Jun, 14 2019 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
Us Democrats want to make the world better... For everyone

No, you want to make everyone dependent on the government for everything, because that is the source of your power.


That's a half truth... Literally.. it's only half the equation

My optimal set up is where the people are dependent on the government, and the government is dependent on the people.

Basically.. we are all dependent on each other.. since that is reality, and those who try a exclude/seclude themselves from that system are ignorant to how the world/nature/society truly works.




posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

So 20,000 in one year .. we had over 100,000 come across last month alone. The wall is not for the 20k, it's the other 1.18 million. With the wall up those 20k will still get into the US, it does not stop that at all.

Are you claiming because 20k come here with a legal and valid reason we need to allow 1.18 million people in without a valid reason?


The wall cannot discriminate.

You know, by your logic, you could prevent people from jay-walking, just by nuking the planet from space.



Your posts make no sense. You build a wall. They come up through the road, at a port of entry, and request asylum. The wall will not stop anyone from coming to America at a port of entry.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Love equally, not more. Their duty is to their citizens, not illegals. I love everyone. Not everyone can live in America.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.

When there are 99,990 people in a group that are trying to enter illegally it is completely justified to call them a group of illegals, they are. Did they file for permission with the Mexican government to enter Mexico legally? Oops, I guess they are all illegals then. Every single one of them in this video entered Mexico illegally.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

So 20,000 in one year .. we had over 100,000 come across last month alone. The wall is not for the 20k, it's the other 1.18 million. With the wall up those 20k will still get into the US, it does not stop that at all.

Are you claiming because 20k come here with a legal and valid reason we need to allow 1.18 million people in without a valid reason?


The wall cannot discriminate.

You know, by your logic, you could prevent people from jay-walking, just by nuking the planet from space.



Your posts make no sense. You build a wall. They come up through the road, at a port of entry, and request asylum. The wall will not stop anyone from coming to America at a port of entry.


But the official policy that turns back asylum seekers at the ports of entry stops them.

Then there is also a growing backlog of people who have applied for asylum and are awaiting a decision. Some people have been waiting up to four years, so add another 100,000 new applicants a year when the maximum processing is in the 10,000's and you can see that in real terms, the border is actually now effectively closed to asylum seekers.

And remember, Trump has twice shut down the ports of entry at the Southern border, not to mention that the Government shutdown, while not affecting border patrols, did close ALL the immigration courts.

And, if you care to check the figures, deportation numbers currently exceed the number of apprehensions of those who try and cross undocumented. The net migration of the undocumented is currently negative.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

The net is negative because they are working overtime to catch the 100,000 a month trying to cross illegally. There is no reason they can not sit and wait in Mexico while their Asylum is processed. As you said, people are getting Asylum when they deserve it as proven by your figure of how many are getting it. The only thing Trump and the wall is looking to stop is people who do not qualify entering.

Want to fix the backlog, make it an automatic rejection for anyone who does not apply in their homeland without proving why they could not apply there. Stop supporting illegals if you care about legals, illegals screw the process up for people doing it legally and I am a firsthand witness to that.
edit on 15-6-2019 by OccamsRazor04 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

Sorry, there is nothing wrong with saying the last 100,000 had 99,990 illegals so these are going to be similar.


It is wrong to classify even one person as an 'illegal', when they aren't.

When there are 99,990 people in a group that are trying to enter illegally it is completely justified to call them a group of illegals, they are. Did they file for permission with the Mexican government to enter Mexico legally? Oops, I guess they are all illegals then. Every single one of them in this video entered Mexico illegally.



I can see a stack of armed law enforcement officers there.

Why are none of those breaking the law, being arrested?

Also, remember the Berlin wall? Everyone who demolished the Berlin wall and re-united Germany was doing so illegally.

Sometimes human rights trump unjust and inflexible laws and ordinances. Otherwise, America would still have slavery.

It's a judgement call - are you a child who thinks that laws are immutable or are you an adult who can grasp that there are bigger issues?



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

So now you move the goalposts from they are not illegal to they are but who cares they deserve to be illegal. And no one is surprised. If you really feel this way you should petition your government to take care of the 100,000 who try to cross into America each month for the rest of their life, take care of that bigger issue, let us know how that works out for you.

I love how you invoke the Berlin wall like all foolish liberals who can't think for themselves and repeat a talking point. The Berlin wall was meant to keep people in. They wanted to leave, and West Berlin wanted them. None of them were illegals in West Berlin. The wall was meant to be a Prison, not a protective fence like the locks we put on our houses to keep out people we are not inviting in.
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posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut

The net is negative because they are working overtime to catch the 100,000 a month trying to cross illegally. There is no reason they can not sit and wait in Mexico while their Asylum is processed. As you said, people are getting Asylum when they deserve it as proven by your figure of how many are getting it. The only thing Trump and the wall is looking to stop is people who do not qualify entering.

Want to fix the backlog, make it an automatic rejection for anyone who does not apply in their homeland without proving why they could not apply there. Stop supporting illegals if you care about legals, illegals screw the process up for people doing it legally and I am a firsthand witness to that.


The 100,000 per month number is those arriving and requesting asylum.

In FY 2017, there were an average of 14,166 apprehended per month. This is thought to be very close to the total number of undocumented entrants per month, for that year.

As far as applications for entry from outside of the US, they cannot apply for asylum from outside US borders. This is partly because embassies are not set up with sufficient resources and immigration courts to deal with the numbers.

Also, people who fit the requirements for asylum or refugee status are running for their lives. They are hardly going to wait around in a situation of mortal peril while officialdom deals with their application.



posted on Jun, 15 2019 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: chr0naut
So now you move the goalposts from they are not illegal to they are but who cares they deserve to be illegal.


No, I didn't say that some were not illegal, I said that some were being called 'illegals' when they were not. Some are law breakers but not all.

You shouldn't condemn the innocent along with the guilty.

Nor should you uphold unjust or inapplicable laws, especially of another country that we are potentially granting them amnesty from!

Even for those who are law breakers, the punishment should fit the crime. If they are driven to a minor misdemeanor in fear of their lives, it would be unjust of us to condemn them by laws which we don't uphold.


And no one is surprised. If you really feel this way you should petition your government to take care of the 100,000 who try to cross into America each month for the rest of their life, take care of that bigger issue, let us know how that works out for you.

I love how you invoke the Berlin wall like all foolish liberals who can't think for themselves and repeat a talking point. The Berlin wall was meant to keep people in. They wanted to leave, and West Berlin wanted them. None of them were illegals in West Berlin. The wall was meant to be a Prison, not a protective fence like the locks we put on our houses to keep out people we are not inviting in.


The Berlin wall was built by the GDR to stop the Fascists from getting in to East Germany (they called it the Antifaschistischer Schutzwall meaning 'Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart') and it was also the East Germans who ordered it to to be opened. Berlin Wall From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

But the truth is that the Berlin wall was patrolled on both sides, and anyone trying to bypass it, in either direction, was either shot or arrested.

If it made East Berlin a prison, it made West Berlin a prison, too.

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posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 08:28 AM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox
"No, you want to make everyone dependent on the government for everything, because that is the source of your power."

That's a half truth... Literally.. it's only half the equation

My optimal set up is where the people are dependent on the government, and the government is dependent on the people.

Basically.. we are all dependent on each other.. since that is reality, and those who try a exclude/seclude themselves from that system are ignorant to how the world/nature/society truly works.

Spoken like a true Socialist/Marxist/Communist.

My optimal setup is where people are fully independent, relying on no one for their life or livelihood, relying on the government solely for their Constitutionally delegated duties - protecting the Rights and Liberties of the people to be free to engage in anything they want, as long as they don't harm anyone else in the process.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
But the official policy that turns back asylum seekers at the ports of entry stops them.

You mean the official policy that immediately denies bogus asylum claims?

You know, the 90+% of claims that are denied after months or years of them waiting for their hearing, because they are not valid?

Maybe these people shouldn't be coming at all, if they don't qualify for asylum?


Then there is also a growing backlog of people who have applied for asylum and are awaiting a decision. Some people have been waiting up to four years, so add another 100,000 new applicants a year when the maximum processing is in the 10,000's and you can see that in real terms, the border is actually now effectively closed to asylum seekers.

Until people without valid claims stop coming and overloading the system, this is how it should be.


And, if you care to check the figures, deportation numbers currently exceed the number of apprehensions of those who try and cross undocumented. The net migration of the undocumented is currently negative.

If this is true, then hallelujah, and thank you Mr. President!



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
"No, you want to make everyone dependent on the government for everything, because that is the source of your power."

That's a half truth... Literally.. it's only half the equation

My optimal set up is where the people are dependent on the government, and the government is dependent on the people.

Basically.. we are all dependent on each other.. since that is reality, and those who try a exclude/seclude themselves from that system are ignorant to how the world/nature/society truly works.

Spoken like a true Socialist/Marxist/Communist.

My optimal setup is where people are fully independent, relying on no one for their life or livelihood, relying on the government solely for their Constitutionally delegated duties - protecting the Rights and Liberties of the people to be free to engage in anything they want, as long as they don't harm anyone else in the process.


Have you ever taken an economics class before? I think it might benefit you (and this isnt a dig or an insult). Way back when I was in school, Econ classes really opened the mind to seeing/realizing dependencies that I never realized were there.

You say you want to be independent...

Do you go to the grocery store? Do you go to gas stations? Did you build your own house? Do you have a job that you work at, and in turn are also working with others toward a common goal? Did you build your computer, your tv, your phone?

No.. most likely.. in most of these cases.. you rely on others for something. You are not independent. Other people have resources, and skills that you dont have. In which case you trade your work/money etc. to get what you want/need. This is a dependency, you depend on them for these things.

Humans are social creatures. Its literally in our nature to live and trhive in groups and communities. 2 heads are better than one. An entire society, community, and group of people working together to sustain the community is what im talking about.

No one is trying to control anyone.

Its called optimization of resources/labor for the highest point on your production possibility curve. The more we work together, the more capable we are.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: Lucidparadox
You say you want to be independent..

Yep...


Do you go to the grocery store? Do you go to gas stations? Did you build your own house? Do you have a job that you work at, and in turn are also working with others toward a common goal? Did you build your computer, your tv, your phone?

What you call 'dependence' above, I refer to as participating in the free market.

In your false utopia, I'd be limited to just one store, gas station, building contractor, employer, etc... the government owned/approved one.

In a free market, I can freely pick and choose the one that works best for me.


No one is trying to control anyone.

Its called optimization of resources/labor for the highest point on your production possibility curve. The more we work together, the more capable we are.

Argued like a true Socialist/Communist/Fascist....

The difference is, you want to mandate things through fascist laws, instead of relying on people to make their own, individual choices fre from government coercion.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:22 PM
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Priorities of a transparent democratic party, don't include their constituents or honoring the Oath they made.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:25 PM
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Newsflash:

Political Parties are broken cowardly bathhouses.

Not a single politician talking about any real immigration changes. A wall no wall doesnt change much other than mass immigration of refugee laborers.

The bad people still have their tunnels, boats submarines, drones, catapults and the $1.6 billion of drugs killing Americans.

How about we have a president with courage attack the cartels. They kill more Americans per minute than the middle eastern terrorists do a year. How about drone strikes if you don't clean up the cartels?

The cartels are literally the head of the problem and why people flee their homes to begin with.



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:30 PM
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Further proof that Democrats care more about people who are here illegally, and coming here illegally, than they do about United States Citizens...including the welfare of those who elected them into office.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell slammed Democrats for being unwilling to work on immigration issues, claiming they had “Trump derangement syndrome.”

McConnell discussed Democrats’ reluctance to work with Republicans on the immigration issue, calling it “a real problem.”

He used the example of a recent bill to provide aid at the border that was shot down by Democrats, despite there being no mention of the wall.

I’m going to bring it up freestanding next week and see if they really aren’t interested in dealing with this mass of humanity that we have to take care of at the border,” said McConnell. “What’s the objection?”

He went as far as to claim that the president has had more cooperation with Mexico than with Democrats on addressing the immigration issue.
Source: ijr.com...

McConnell is giving Democrats the opportunity next week to SHOW where their allegiance lies. Do you think their conscience will finally kick in???



posted on Jun, 17 2019 @ 12:35 PM
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Just to put the charade in perspective their have been several bipartisan attempts and the president rejected the one Lindsey grahm was proposing.


I personally don't think anyone of them cares or has a clue. They have found hundreds of tunnels many in Tijuana alone. How many kids does el chapo have that are american citizens?

I think it's time we actually fight the war on drugs against the enemy rather than the American people who become addicts.



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