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Calls For Member To Be Expelled From Australian Labor Party Over Mens Rights Comments

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posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

I agree, domestic violence is bloody horrible. I had a thought/quote come to me last night when pondering the fact that 6 men in Australia commit suicide each day with an estimation that 50% of them have done so due to parental alienation. Ie; mothers prohibiting access to their children.

Men are more likely to kill you. Women are more likely to make you kill yourself.

What to do about it? I'm not sure anyone has that answer however, i was listening to a talk by Dr. Jordan Peterson last week who said that the statistics indicate domestic violence is committed in majority by the lower socio economic portion of society and that perhaps the factors surrounding those circumstances; unemployment, poverty, substance abuse etc. need to be addressed in order to reduce the rate of DV.

Not sure where exactly I land on that one yet however, it is certainly an interesting statistic.

As for what "they" want. I know. It's almost now a rightful suspicion of straight white men as racist sex offenders until proven otherwise.

By the modern definition of racism.....that being you are a racist unless you repent at the feet of those more holy than thou for being of European descent and being ashamed of your heritage you are a racist. If that's what it means these days then I'll wear it. Whatever. Doesn't mean anything anymore.

I do also believe that Western Democratic Society is the pinnacle of human society and am awaiting somebody who can point out the superior to it in todays world. It is certainly not perfect but atleast we try!




posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:09 PM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: Boadicea

Men are more likely to kill you. Women are more likely to make you kill yourself.


I had never thought about it that way, but there's probably some-to-much truth in that. Not to be too simplistic, but if the old adage "behind every good man, there's a good woman" is true, then what would be the opposite side of that coin? This may fall in that category.


What to do about it? I'm not sure anyone has that answer however, i was listening to a talk by Dr. Jordan Peterson last week who said that the statistics indicate domestic violence is committed in majority by the lower socio economic portion of society and that perhaps the factors surrounding those circumstances; unemployment, poverty, substance abuse etc. need to be addressed in order to reduce the rate of DV.


I've heard something similar, but that it was because the women in the lower socio-economic status had fewer options to leave, and so were more likely to remain, thus allowing the abuse to continue. The thought was that men in higher socio-economic brackets were just as likely to be abusive, but the wives were more likely to leave him. I wouldn't even begin to know how to track that down!


I do also believe that Western Democratic Society is the pinnacle of human society and am awaiting somebody who can point out the superior to it in todays world. It is certainly not perfect but atleast we try!


I definitely agree! We are a work in progress. Always room for improvement -- as long as we keep wanting to improve.
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On a different note, I hunted up this article for you. It's a couple months old, but I loved it -- I can have quite an irreverent sense of humor sometimes... and I thought you might get a kick out of it too. Don't read too much into the title!!!

Real Men Hate Toxic Masculinity

And I thought you might appreciate this video as well, although there's nothing amusing or irreverent about it:



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:42 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Very interesting point you make there regarding the ability of those women in a higher socio-economic bracket having more ability to leave a violent relationship and certainly worth more thought and investigation. I would agree with the premise that men of any socio-economic status are equally likely to commit acts of DV however, the statistics indicate otherwise.

As for the West, we are definitely not perfect but damned if we aren't trying to constantly improve. If anybody can point out a better societal system and civilisation I am all ears and eyes!

Thanks for sharing the article and video.

The video was quite touching, didn't know that huge statistic about homeless men! Wow!

Whilst the article gave me a laugh or two I would like to take that guy up on his drinking game challenge so I can punch him in the balls! I completely disagree with the premise that men have a natural inclination to dominate those around them, that is a HUMAN problem inherent in assholes regardless of gender. I don't think we are 'socialised' in to risk taking and self destructive behavior either but are biologically pre-disposed to it. I also can not stand the term 'heteronormative'.

That said, for each grievance I have with the article, there is also a point I agree with.

"Toxic Masculinity" is a phrase that should be eradicated from public language until there is a female equivalent commonly used.

I would also posit that women to some degree are responsible atleast in a sub-conscious biological sense for "toxic masculinity" as those traits and purveyors of seem to be what and who females are attracted to by and large for reproductive purposes.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: CthruU
Setka has been a thorn in the labour and liberal parties side for some time now.

Between his strikes bringing the CBD to a screaming hault to pay his union labourers outrageously generous pay/penalties and more payed days of than you would believe and his undisputable undiplomatic conversational style is it any wonder they want him out. He is and always has been bad for any business except his own.

Batty just received a OAM so it would be highly hypocritical for the labour party to keep this heavy handed standover man on the payroll whilst making the kind of comments he does. Not good for publicity for a party whos planning to imply change.

His standover tactics and his general demeanor are the real reasons he's out and his comments about Batty are just the trigger they've been waiting for to get rid of him with reasonable public sympathy.

He himself is/has been more harmful to mens rights than anything else Batty could say or suggest.

Good ridance, he's been riding that wave way to long.


You are right, if I am to believe the most recent news.

www.9news.com.au... 6-b43b-55bb376f7536



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

That page has been 404'd though I did see on the ABC News this morning that Setka has been ousted from the party.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: InTheLight

That page has been 404'd though I did see on the ABC News this morning that Setka has been ousted from the party.


He is described as being 'thuggish'.

www.abc.net.au...



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

And that may well be the case. I am impartial on the man as I do not know a great deal about him.

However, what constitutes "thuggish" behavior these days? Being anything other than a yes man/woman and not suffering BS would likely earn you that attribution of character.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
White RIbbon Foundation, touring schools and other institutions giving talks on domestic violence and shaming boys in the classroom, making them pledge to the girls they will never commit a violent act against a woman. 

When men commit disgusting acts of violence there are public calls for ALL MEN to think about their attitudes towards women as if we are collectively responsible for the acts of a very small, depraved minority.


They pulled this crap during my Health Class 25 years ago. I wound up in a debate with the people peddling the garbage and they left the room angry that the teacher didn't stop me and that I had made them look like fools.

That was a different time though where independent thought was still encouraged by many/most people. I really feel for these kids today where simply speaking up for yourself is seen as a punishable offense.

I am really glad my children are girls.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

I have a one year old daughter and am terrified at what the education system and society at large will try and indoctrinate her with. I see my duty as a parent of the future to be providing facts and counter narrative to nearly everything society is telling her.

Good on you for standing up for yourself, I have also done similar many times to my own detriment.

I'm also glad I don't have boys that will be told by society that every natural impulse and thought they have is wrong and that they are collectively responsible for the worlds woes.



posted on Jun, 12 2019 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

Nothing more than good old fashioned censorship of the right to free speech. Society is being 'directed' in what to value in terms of wrong v right, good vs bad, however:

what law says that I cannot say something that offends others?

what law says I cannot comment on another persons religion?

why is wrong to comment on another persons skin colour?

why is it wrong to comment on another persons eye shape ?

Why should paying someone a comment regarding their personal appearance, skin, colour, skin tone, skin shade, dress sense or hairstyle be wrong?

Who has the right to determine whether a comment about a persons tie, handkerchief or wallet is positive or negative??

From where does such a person derive such authority?



posted on Jun, 12 2019 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight
He is described as being 'thuggish'.


He's the far left militant union strongman you can count on to be making trouble for all sides of politics.
The Labor party want him out as a party member but he's still the union boss even if they do and that will mean industrial action pending.



posted on Jun, 12 2019 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: InTheLight

And that may well be the case. I am impartial on the man as I do not know a great deal about him.

However, what constitutes "thuggish" behavior these days? Being anything other than a yes man/woman and not suffering BS would likely earn you that attribution of character.


If you want to learn why the word "thuggish" and "bully" were used to describe him, why not read the article.



posted on Jun, 12 2019 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

I did.

I'm just confused as to what part about exposing corrupt government officials is thuggish/bullying behavior?







 
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