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Calls For Member To Be Expelled From Australian Labor Party Over Mens Rights Comments

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posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 11:00 PM
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John Setka is the secretary of the CFMEU (Construction, Forestry, Mining and Electrical Union) in Australias and also a high ranking member of the Australian Labor Party.

John Setka is set to be dismissed for suggesting that men now have fewer rights after domestic violence campaigner Rosie Batty has been involved with the White RIbbon Foundation, touring schools and other institutions giving talks on domestic violence and shaming boys in the classroom, making them pledge to the girls they will never commit a violent act against a woman.

For context, Rosie Batty's son was murdered in a deplorable act by his father in public at a sporting event.

What I find disturbing about Rosie's campaign is that in Australia (and I am yet to confirm though suspect it is the same in many other countries) is that the overwhelming percentage of children murdered by a parent is at the hands of their mother, not the father and not a word is said about it. Furthermore, this was an act committed on a male by a male. This does not in any way reduce the severity of the fathers actions or distress for Rosie. I am just a bit lost as to the context of violence against women in this instance.

Rosie believes she is, and is portraying herself as the victim.

When men commit disgusting acts of violence there are public calls for ALL MEN to think about their attitudes towards women as if we are collectively responsible for the acts of a very small, depraved minority.

The neo- Marxist campaign to make men an anachronism is in full swing. Especially the straight white ones.

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posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 11:36 PM
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This crap is getting out of hand. it's retarded and it's a full blown agenda now.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 11:45 PM
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Setka has been a thorn in the labour and liberal parties side for some time now.

Between his strikes bringing the CBD to a screaming hault to pay his union labourers outrageously generous pay/penalties and more payed days of than you would believe and his undisputable undiplomatic conversational style is it any wonder they want him out. He is and always has been bad for any business except his own.

Batty just received a OAM so it would be highly hypocritical for the labour party to keep this heavy handed standover man on the payroll whilst making the kind of comments he does. Not good for publicity for a party whos planning to imply change.

His standover tactics and his general demeanor are the real reasons he's out and his comments about Batty are just the trigger they've been waiting for to get rid of him with reasonable public sympathy.

He himself is/has been more harmful to mens rights than anything else Batty could say or suggest.

Good ridance, he's been riding that wave way to long.



posted on Jun, 10 2019 @ 11:48 PM
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I was under the impression men and women had equal rights, us guys have been trying to get them even for generations but women always have the last say about everything. In marriage of common people, women seem to be the ones who have the advantage in arguments, guys lose lots of rights when they give them a ring.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: CthruU

That is fair assessment of the man and he is certainly not somebody who I would wish to have as an associate or member of my organisation.

However, what is alarming is how such 'undesirables' can be easily done away with and removed from office simply because they see the hypocrisy, misandry and outright resentment and hatred that is present within the feminist and socialist movements.

"First, they came for the ......" You know how that one goes.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Ahhhh see that's where you're wrong. You need to get with the times.

In 2019 equality means men are second rate and women should have the upper hand in any given scenario.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 01:36 AM
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Marriage is a bet,the man betting he won't lose half his stuff,often more that not he loses.
I have buggar all,and my wife doesn't care.
Do I win the game of Life or what!!? Lol
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posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: CthruU

That is fair assessment of the man and he is certainly not somebody who I would wish to have as an associate or member of my organisation.

However, what is alarming is how such 'undesirables' can be easily done away with and removed from office simply because they see the hypocrisy, misandry and outright resentment and hatred that is present within the feminist and socialist movements.

"First, they came for the ......" You know how that one goes.


What's alarming to me is that it took this long and that he couldn't be done away with sooner for fear of bringing the construction industry to a hault. These labourers he leads love him hes raised their crappy jobs pays to that of near mid level white collar levels with an unbelievable amount of payed days of, they get 60% more payed days of than anyone else in the country paying a tax $. Disgusting - they've been laughing all the way to the bank for years now.

But as that clown Scott Morrison said today- what's even more alarming is that there's a endless cue of for want of a better term - clones waiting to fill his shoes.

And round and round we go.

No wonder i hate the system.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 06:49 AM
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originally posted by: hiddenNZ
Marriage is a bet,the man betting he won't lose half his stuff,often more that not he loses.
I have buggar all,and my wife doesn't care.
Do I win the game of Life or what!!? Lol


There's alot to be said for insight champ and the love of a good women.

Men need to realize that a pre-nup is their best friend and can always be revoked once she's proven herself to be worthy of trust. Alot of women are gonna crucify me for that paragraph but point remains - how many blokes have to be bent over with no lube before we see a pattern emerging.

Women definitely have the legal advantage being protected by antiquated laws set up in a time when the unfortunate frame of mind was that a women's place was in the home raising kids and cleaning that home.

It is inconceivable to me how a women can take the house, the kids, half the money and just walk away- an absolute disgrace in today's day and age, this is a key problem sparking domestic violence.

Pre nup, pre nup, pre nup. If she's not a cheater, and mutual love and respect exists then there's no bloke in the world who would let her leave destitute. The system has no idea, it really doesn't.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:12 AM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM


What I find disturbing about Rosie's campaign is that in Australia (and I am yet to confirm though suspect it is the same in many other countries) is that the overwhelming percentage of children murdered by a parent is at the hands of their mother, not the father and not a word is said about it.


Not exactly... From ABC Australia:

At least one child in Australia is killed by a parent each fortnight, according to a report into filicide released by the Australian Institute of Criminology this week.

Filicide is a general term referring to the killing of a child by a parent or parent equivalent — which in Australia includes the custodial parent, non-custodial parents and step-parents. The report shows that between 2000-01 and 2011-12 there were 238 recorded incidents of filicide in Australia, with 260 offenders involved in these incidents. Males constituted 52 per cent (124) of offenders and females 48 per cent (114).

As the graph below shows, the rate of filicide offending for males has decreased in Australia in recent years, while the rate for females has increased.
(Source)

So no, not "overwhelmingly" mothers. And given that the report itself demonstrates that the numbers for men were higher, it would indicate that fathers -- if anyone -- were overwhelmingly the killers.

The numbers aren't too much different in the USA according to CNN:

More than 40% of the killers in these crimes were mothers, with fathers making up about 57% of those who killed their own offspring.
(Source)

Though Wikipedia does break down the numbers by age:

A 1999 U.S. Department of Justice study concluded that mothers were responsible for a higher share of children killed during infancy between 1976 and 1997 in the United States, while fathers were more likely to have been responsible for the murders of children aged eight or older.


I have read before -- but cannot find such statistics now -- that mothers responsible for killing their children are most likely to have been diagnosed with post partum depression and/or be on psychiatric medications. That would explain why mothers are more likely to kill children as infants, and fathers are more likely to kill children after infancy.


When men commit disgusting acts of violence there are public calls for ALL MEN to think about their attitudes towards women as if we are collectively responsible for the acts of a very small, depraved minority.


This is a big problem. It does no good to blame those who are not responsible. I fully understand that men are far more likely to commit a violent crime than women. I understand that male violence is a problem. But I tend to believe (like you) that this violence is committed by a very small minority of men, and that each of these violent men commit multiple acts of violence.


Furthermore, this was an act committed on a male by a male.


Good point -- it's also crucial to understand that men are also far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than women. Men might have a better chance than women to defend themselves against other men, but it does not change the fact that men are still on the receiving end of more violence than women are. Even in the statistics for fanticide, fathers are more likely to kill their sons than their daughters.

So what is the answer? I really don't know. I think for starters, there is nothing wrong with telling boys not to hit girls, but even better is to tell everyone not to hit anyone except in self defense... and then teach everyone self-defense!



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:17 AM
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a reply to: CthruU


Men need to realize that a pre-nup is their best friend and can always be revoked once she's proven herself to be worthy of trust. Alot of women are gonna crucify me for that paragraph but point remains - how many blokes have to be bent over with no lube before we see a pattern emerging.


I won't crucify you for it. It's just good sense -- for BOTH the husband and wife. Neither has to sign it if it isn't fair to them. And if it does come to divorce, then the prenup makes it that much easier for everyone involved. No one is making decisions out of emotion or revenge or other negative mindsets.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Can't argue with that logic.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 11:38 AM
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It a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

It is an interesting dynamic..

The way the civil rights act only protects certain groups..

I believe the problem was that if discrimination against white peoples were illegal then basically being mean to people would be illegal..

I think they needed the distinction for the legality..


It was a bunch of old 1960’s white men who made the law... I think it is pretty far fetched to assume a conspiracy
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posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Yup....

But the whole point of marriage or a life long commitment is that you are betting on the relationship..


An up front in EVERYONES face back up plan just poops all over that dynamic.

Relationships are not business decisions, expecting business logic to apply to emotional relationships isn’t happening.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

So who is trying to demonize all men?

Who makes relatively all the laws ???

Rich old white men..



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: Boadicea

Yup....

But the whole point of marriage or a life long commitment is that you are betting on the relationship..


Yup. More than just a relationship, you're betting on a person. You're betting that person will honor their vows and commitment as well, but you really have no control over that. There are no sure bets.


An up front in EVERYONES face back up plan just poops all over that dynamic.


Not really, because everyone goes into marriage knowing and understanding that it can end in divorce through no fault or control of their own. It is simply acknowledging that truth, and taking reasonable precautions for reasonable risks.


Relationships are not business decisions, expecting business logic to apply to emotional relationships isn’t happening.


Different dynamics in many ways, but a marriage contract is still a contract, human nature is still human nature, and basic standards of fairness and decency apply in all relationships -- romantic, social, business, whatever.



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 04:44 PM
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domestic violence campaigner Rosie Batty


LOL



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: Boadicea

Boadicea, thanks for correcting me and doing so with grace and humility- a rare occurrence on this site and in wider society!

You are correct that it is roughly an even split between the genders on killing children however, it is broken down as follows (I forgot the 'father' part);


Mothers (47%, n=20)
Fathers (30%, n=13)
Mothers’ new male partners (19%, n=8)


Source

You make some very reasonable and rational points. Nobody deserves to have violence perpetrated against them.

Although I am quite capable of defending myself I still have a degree of anxiety on the rare occasion I go on a night out in public to packed bars etc.

In regards to violence and sexual violence being committed against women by a very small minority of men I believe we need to take the same approach as is expected when dealing with minority crime. We know it's not the whole community but a small portion (in Australia anyway, can't speak for other countries) and as such a race as a whole should not be treated as criminals until proven otherwise.

Neither should men.

Far be it from me to cry poor me, as a straight white male I am becoming increasingly aware of peoples perception of me and have a part of my psyche trying to tell me to justify I am not a racist, misogynistic sex offender. The other, louder part of my brain tells me not to be stupid and that there's no need to feel ashamed for who and what I was born as.

Thanks for your interaction



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: JustJohnny
It a reply to: IAMALLYETALLIAM

It is an interesting dynamic..

The way the civil rights act only protects certain groups..

I believe the problem was that if discrimination against white peoples were illegal then basically being mean to people would be illegal..

I think they needed the distinction for the legality..


It was a bunch of old 1960’s white men who made the law... I think it is pretty far fetched to assume a conspiracy


A bunch of self loathing white men who have been incorrectly convinced that who and what they were born as is wrong.

Times and power dynamics have changed considerably since the 60's. Minorities have far more equality in society and public perception than they did back then. Granted, there is still a lot of work to be done in that space however, why should anybody be allowed to discriminate against, commit hate speech and crimes etc. against ANY other race?

Furthermore, there is an inherently racist assumption among people that "white" people are some sort of united collective with a shared agenda and ideology. We range from whites from the UK (they can't even all get along there!) through to Scandinavians, Spanish, Slavs, Magyar, Italian, Greek, Maltese, Germanic etc etc etc

Look at all the lovely diversity that is hidden within what is identified as one group!



posted on Jun, 11 2019 @ 06:25 PM
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originally posted by: IAMALLYETALLIAM
a reply to: Boadicea

Boadicea, thanks for correcting me and doing so with grace and humility- a rare occurrence on this site and in wider society!


Quite a gracious and humble response as well -- so thank you!


In regards to violence and sexual violence being committed against women by a very small minority of men I believe we need to take the same approach as is expected when dealing with minority crime. We know it's not the whole community but a small portion (in Australia anyway, can't speak for other countries) and as such a race as a whole should not be treated as criminals until proven otherwise.


This is pretty much what I have found that I've researched here in the USA. When it comes to Black crime for example, the vast majority is gang-related and the perpetrator is a gangbanger. And most perpetrate multiple crimes... mostly against other Black men. It's not even close to a majority of the Black male population committing those crimes. Likewise with police brutality and excessive force. Studies have shown that it's usually a relative handful of officers in a handful of departments. We can take exception to current police training and practices and court decisions. But outright brutality is confined to a relatively few places.


Far be it from me to cry poor me, as a straight white male I am becoming increasingly aware of peoples perception of me and have a part of my psyche trying to tell me to justify I am not a racist, misogynistic sex offender. The other, louder part of my brain tells me not to be stupid and that there's no need to feel ashamed for who and what I was born as.


I understand the inclination. But that's what "they" want. For men to be on the defensive... "so when did you stop beating your wife?" And to divide us. I hate seeing it. As a woman who has very high esteem for the men in my life, I hate to see all men tarred with the same brush. At the same time, violent crime against women is horrifying, especially domestic violence.

I don't have any answers. I just know that we need to find better ways to address these issues.



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