NEWS: Quebec Premier Charest calls for stronger NAFTA modelled on EU, page 1
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Topic started on 3-3-2005 @ 12:39 PM by FredT
The Premier of Quebec Jean Charest has called for closer North American ties. Moving beyond the 10 year old North American Free Trade Agreement, he feels that an economic union modeled after that in the European Union is needed. He further added that the current NAFTA agreement is not working and change was needed. He also expressed displeasure at the U.S. governments ignoring the settlement system on trade disputes.





story.news.yahoo.com
BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) - Quebec Premier Jean Charest called Thursday for closer economic and trade ties between Canada, Mexico and the United States, saying the three North American countries should take the European Union as an example of closer integration.


Charest, in Brussels attending a conference on federalism, said the 10-year old North American Free Trade Agreement needed to be strengthened, adding the current deal was not working.

"NAFTA has become a question mark for many of us," Charest said.

He said Washington was ignoring NAFTA's dispute settlement system, which rules on trade disputes like the import of cheaper Canadian softwood lumber into the United States, which Washington has long argued was a product unfairly subsidized.


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On paper the thought of integrating North America's economies looks good. However, after that the implementation gets a bit harder. However, the advantages would be great and North America united ala the E.U. would be a force both militarily and economically to be reckoned with. With the natural resources of Canada, the agriculture of Mexico and the U.S., it would be hard to beat.


[edit on 3/3/05 by FredT]


reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 02:06 PM by sardion2000

Deus, this is not a attack at Qubec, but does it have the infrastructure and the economy to really sustain itself as a stand alone country?


Maybe, maybe not. Quebec is a big province and has quite a bit of resources to leverage itself as a country in its own right.

en.wikipedia.org...



The St. Lawrence River Valley is a fertile agricultural region, producing dairy products, fruit, vegetables, maple sugar (Quebec is the world's largest producer), and livestock.

North of the St. Lawrence River Valley, the territory of Quebec is extremely rich in resources in its coniferous forests, lakes, and rivers—pulp and paper, lumber, and hydroelectricity are still some of the province's most important industries.

High-tech industries are very important around Montreal. It includes the aerospace companies like jet manufacturer Bombardier, the jet engine company Pratt and Withney and the flight simulator builder CAE. Those companies and other major subcontractors make Quebec the fourth biggest player worldwide in the aviation industry.


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Quebec has a modern post-industrial economy with a positive trade balance. Since the signing of the free trade agreement between Canada and the United States in 1987, Quebec exports to the American republic have exploded.

In 2002, Quebec had a GDP per capita of US$27,601. It imported US$83.363 billion of goods and services and exported US$92.195 billion. Approximately 85 per cent of all Quebec exports go to the United States.
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In 2002, Quebec had international product exports of US$68.245 billion. (Source: Institut de la statistique du Québec (ISQ) and Statistics Canada (SC))

* Food products: US$3,340 million
* Wood and paper: US$9,902 million
* Textiles and clothes: US$3,045 million
* Minerals and mineral products: US$10,598 million
* Chemicals and petrochemical products: US$3,877 million
* Machinery and tools: US$4,581 million
* Transport material: US$15,750 million
* Electrical, electronics, and telecom products: US$7,172 million
* Electricity: US$832 million
* Uncategorized products: US$9,146 million



If seperation occurs, it will have a dampening effect on the Economy(Quebecs Economy that is), I personally do not think it will lead to economic ruin as was predicted when the referendums took place. Another province that could become a country in its own right is Ontario, but is it way to Liberal to even consider that option. Maybe Toronto should break off from the Commonwealth, our last Mayor threatend to do such a thing, as its perfectly legal for a city to govern itself as a country.



Heck why don't teh Quebecois just cede from canada and become a US Territory?


Because Quebecers dislike Americans and the USA alot more then the average Canadian You mention Bush in Montreal in a good way, you're looking for trouble heh.



reply posted on 3-3-2005 @ 03:25 PM by DeusEx
Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
Actually most of these "untapped resources" are on Native land.

Prove it. The whole of the Laurentians and the Arctic of Quebec can't be Native land.

They don't want to separate.

Sounds familiar, just the west wants to become the US's lapdog. Unfortunately, they are not in the majority, are they? Quebec is still bound by its treaties to the natives.

Quebec gets too many handouts from Canada as it is. For example: they just got more free daycare & maternity leave benefits than the rest of Canada; CTV newsnet

Here we go again. Maybe they value social programs, because they had already established a daycare program on provincial money. Now, the existing program is getting a boost. Sorry if King Ralph suckered you out of your health and daycare benefits.

Bombardier would die.

Bombadier is making money hand over fist. Quebec's aerospace assets are the sixth largest in the world.

As of 2001, it has 80,000 employees, and CAD 16 billion in annual gross revenue. The aerospace arm, Bombardier Aerospace, accounts for over half of the company's revenue and is reportedly the third-largest aircraft manufacturer in the world behind the giants Boeing and Airbus. From
en.wikipedia.org...

The majority of English speakers would move to Ontario.

Fortunately, that is a rather small minority of the population (8%), and I'm sure other would just come flooding back in. I know I will. en.wikipedia.org...

Quebec has the lowest # of birthrates in Canada,

Annual population growth of 1.4%, which isn't bad considering it's the second most populated place in the country. Sure, the prairies have higher birthrates... oh no, they don't. Both manitoba and saskatchewan have NEGATIVE population growth, while alberta has a massive groth factor with about half the population of Quebec.

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Quebec separtists want to keep the Canadian Currency, military, but think they can walk away from their fair share of the debt.

Never heard them say that. Impressive, all your allegations, and no proof. In fact, flat out lies. As for the military, part of the reason they'd want to seperate is the shoddy state of the CFs. Oh, and I'm sure you'll be having to trade for Quebec francs soon enough.

For the record, correcting your flat-out lies isn't flaming.






reply posted on 4-3-2005 @ 01:31 AM by sardion2000
Originally posted by Seekerof
as posted by sardion2000
...Quebec will seperate shortly thereafter, and I will be moving to the new Quebec Nation.


Certainly does not require this NAFTA announcement from Charest for Quebec to be considering its own sovereignty:
Landry expects sovereignty campaign to begin in June



seekerof


Well what I guess I should of said is that it might actually succeed. And this time I may just support depending on what happens this year and next. Allthough I get no say votewise I will be attempting to persuade one way or the other anyone I can find who gets a vote in Quebec.

DuesEx I have got to disagree with you on Bombadier, I personally hate that company. Its a corporate wealthfare recipient, selling off thier recreation unit was the best thing they did in a Long time imo. Made quite a bit of money on the stock, future propects do not look encoraging though. If they somehow loose thier subsidies they could go belly up. They're only hope is to get into fuel cells in a big way, I saw thier unicycle design powered by a fuel cell, it looks hype. If only they can get that out of the lab and into the showroom, because I know I want one.

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