Admiral Thomas Wilson and the Black Budget ET Program leaked documents

One thing that I have learned over the last ten years or so is that ufology giveth and then ufology taketh away. It seems every earth shattering revelation is followed up by a 'it never actually happened' phase.

originally posted by: IMSAM

They are reverse engineering a craft that they had for a long time

Not sure, but I think someone mentioned this to Lazar, as he had the impression that one of the 9 disc at S4 was dug up from the ground. That it was ancient.

originally posted by: johnthejedi24
People who were part of the reverse engineering program were then fed the story that alien Abduction is not real.

Yes, because this is the one end all be all, the one that will get them in the most trouble. That the military gov knew that their civilians were being experimented on and they did nothing about it. Not even warning the populace about it.

Of course the DIA don't have access, the DIA doesn't have any "need to know". Virtue of office no matter what agencies they are in, and a clearance of any kind, don't grant one access. Hence SAP.

It's outside their lane and scope of their mission.

DIA is the nation's premier all-source military intelligence organization. It provides the nation's most authoritative assessments of foreign military intentions and capabilities.

Need to know, is more important than clearance levels. Clearance is a limiting factor, not a permission granting one.

Some body could have the highest security clearance ever, and if they don't need to know, they never will. It's called OPSEC for a reason.

Also

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect

originally posted by: johnthejedi24
People who were part of the reverse engineering program were then fed the story that alien Abduction is not real.

Yes, because this is the one end all be all, the one that will get them in the most trouble. That the military gov knew that their civilians were being experimented on and they did nothing about it. Not even warning the populace about it.

Is it considered abduction, if say a certain President met with EBEs in private and agreed to a deal of exchanging human guinea pigs, for limited access to the EBEs technology?

It sounds more like an exchange program, and lends credit to the abductions being mislabeled.

Former American President Dwight D. Eisenhower had three secret meetings with aliens, a former US government consultant has claimed. The 34th President of the United States met the extra terrestrials at a remote air base in New Mexico in 1954, according to lecturer and author

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originally posted by: MissSmartypants
One thing that I have learned over the last ten years or so is that ufology giveth and then ufology taketh away. It seems every earth shattering revelation is followed up by a 'it never actually happened' phase.

Yeah, we've been on this roller coaster before, and all it does is bring us back to the start. We always hope this time will be different, but it never is.

originally posted by: ADVISOR
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Government [REDACTED] secrecy. A [REDACTED] in 1953 at [REDACTED] US government [REDACTED] document detailing [REDACTED] that has been [REDACTED] prior to release.

Did Stan Friedman give you this document?

originally posted by: IMSAM

2) They are reverse engineering a craft that they had for a long time,Dosent say how they got it only that they arent making progress

You can not 'Reverse Engineer an alien system (beyond something like 'Velcro' as per Corso) or a system that is more than 20 years beyond the current tech. Could we, with advanced production of coal tar materials (nylon, etc. we could copy Velcro but not someone from the 1800s)

A truly alien device or material could not be reproduced or understood or re-created except in 'form' without the means of production and even with plans in English (or earth language or symbols or math) if it's 20 years beyond us, that's two strikes.

5) Craft is not of any nation from this earth

How would they know this? In fact only the US and maybe Russia, maybe Britain would have the knowledge, experience to say if it was from Earth and they all have reason to lie if it's their top secret tech.

6) Corsos book rings true and has many accuracies

Corso's book? Now that's a "tell" and a half. Corso was a complete 'story teller'. Nothing he said was true (with regard to the story, the tech, that ET gave it to us). He was a KNOWN story teller, like Paul Bunyan.

I realize you, the OP are not propping this just giving a summary. So thanks for that.

originally posted by: MissSmartypants It seems every earth shattering revelation is followed up by a 'it never actually happened' phase.

I think they call this tactic "release & ridicule" in intelligence circles,if I'm not mistaking.They want certain elements of the core story known to the public as part of the acclimatization/desensitization program but they also want to do this while maintaining the overall secrecy/deniability of the UFO subject.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
Not sure, but I think someone mentioned this to Lazar, as he had the impression that one of the 9 disc at S4 was dug up from the ground. That it was ancient.

This is exactly what Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green of the CIA was implying in his fascinating "Mirage Men" interview:

"First we consider what may be the basic facts: maybe there are civilised lifeforms elsewhere in the universe; maybe they visited us in their spaceships a couple of times and then went back home;perhaps they left a vehicle or some technology behind and we've spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out how to use it."

He also seems to be corroborating the claim that we haven't made much progress with reverse engineering:

"And there may be people in the government who believe that this did happen, and believe that the information needs to be public knowledge,because perhaps someone outside of the government will be able to make sense of their technology."

I may be reading to much into this but former US President Bill Clinton,in his UFO related comments in Hong Kong,used the term "alien artifact",which may mean that what we have is really old,not something from a recent crash.

Indeed,if the UFO phenomenon is real and of ET origin then it is almost certainly very old.It is very hard to believe that they did not build any infrastructure on Earth and/or somewhere else in the Solar System.Maybe,just maybe we found one of their old bases.

Lazar talks about the ufo being ancient,Lazar also says theres many things he still hasnt said

Delonge says imaging if atlantis is real



Could it be,as ancient alien theorists believe, They found indeed something and say its alien,because they cant fathom how an ancient civilization could have built it?



Interesting post Tinel,My only concern with everything so far is the hype they generate without any bombshells being had.Then again its a double edged sword,if either dont deliver they ll be in for a good roasting

a reply to: johnthejedi24

Its funny but in ancient kabbalistic sources, they explain that there is another physical world under the surface of ours (inner earth type theory), which is immensely huge, and the beings of this world have been far more technologically advanced than humans (even modern humans) for thousands of years.... it goes on to describe what these species looks like, it says they are small like children, do not have any hair on their bodies and instead of a nose, they have two slits where the nose is meant to be.... sound familiar??

Seeing how we know more about the surface of Mars and the moon and pretty much any other planet than what lies beneath our own earths oceans, seeing how we only dug 8 miles deep out of the 4000 miles of this earths crust, it would make sense if there was more truth to this inner earth theory than is being told! It would ironically make sense if it was actually coming from right here rather than out there!

Just a thought i ll throw out there,could it be that this contractor is raytheon instead of eg&g or lockheed?


That would be an interesting turn of events

originally posted by: IMSAM
Just a thought i ll throw out there,could it be that this contractor is raytheon instead of eg&g or lockheed?

That would be an interesting turn of events

Admiral Wilson: "Yes,the very best one of them". Lockheed Martin for sure dude.They are the largest defence contractor and private intelligence company on this planet.I'm sure,however,that Raytheon and Northrop Grumman are involved in UFO related programs too.These three are the key UFO companies IMO.Maybe Boeing too.


Most people don't realize just how immensely powerful Lockheed Martin is.They don't just make planes.Here is an old but very interesting article about this:

www.motherjones.com...

a reply to: IMSAM

Grant Cameron gave a hint that we are kind of lucky with having these documents "leaked" all because the late Michell "s family is somewhat dysfunctional. None of the family members is interested in Ufoos and not really aware of the value of these documents. An other lucky factor is that the CIA and FBI forgot to raid MIchell's office after his death. Michell had thight connections with CIA and who knows what kind of other US governments agencies.. Edgar Michell was a respected officer and must have been in possesion of a lot of other sensitive documents..either millitairy, intelligence, nasa or ufo related topics.

Maybe family members will ghave a garage sale of these documents someday in the near future...

And on that note.. there are many other high ranking men in their eighties with documents in their possesion which can help towards more understanding of what is going on. Hopefully the US government agencies will forget all about them when their families have access to their "secrets".

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: johnthejedi24

Its funny but in ancient kabbalistic sources, they explain that there is another physical world under the surface of ours (inner earth type theory), which is immensely huge, and the beings of this world have been far more technologically advanced than humans (even modern humans) for thousands of years.

I believe you should not take that literally. "Beneath" may not be so much physically beneath, as in underground, but a reference to another dimension. Our physics has not dealt well with that sort of thing, string theory notwithstanding, and science in general considers this sort of thing beneath them, but this would surely answer a lot of questions.

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: johnthejedi24

Its funny but in ancient kabbalistic sources, they explain that there is another physical world under the surface of ours (inner earth type theory), which is immensely huge, and the beings of this world have been far more technologically advanced than humans (even modern humans) for thousands of years.

I believe you should not take that literally. "Beneath" may not be so much physically beneath, as in underground, but a reference to another dimension. Our physics has not dealt well with that sort of thing, string theory notwithstanding, and science in general considers this sort of thing beneath them, but this would surely answer a lot of questions.

These kabbalistic sources speak of other dimensions and detail them aswell, however these same sources state very clearly that this specific species and underground civ is a physical place beneath this worlds surface... clearly stated it is physical in every sense of the word in order to differentiate between that and other non-physical dimensions. They detail many different worlds the vast majority of which are in fact non physical and it is stated very clearly in order to not make you guess whether its metaphorical or literal. In this case i stated its very literally physical, with physical beings that i described above.

Couple that with the stories from pretty much all ancient knowledge of a physical world beneath ours, and it begins to paint a clearer picture of what actually might be going on here!

Ill be honest, it makes much more sense that we are not alone! Not alone in this world!

originally posted by: zatara
a reply to: IMSAM


Maybe family members will ghave a garage sale of these documents someday in the near future...

This reminds me of budd hopkins papers and research which after his death where thrown out in the garbage :/

Really sad when years of notes and research get thrown out instead of given to the next person to continue

originally posted by: Maverick7

originally posted by: IMSAM

5) Craft is not of any nation from this earth

How would they know this? In fact only the US and maybe Russia, maybe Britain would have the knowledge, experience to say if it was from Earth and they all have reason to lie if it's their top secret tech.

Knowing if it was from Earth or not is easy by isotopic ratio analysis of the metals. Non terrestrial neutron counts can't be manufactured here, so if they are here then they couldn't be from Earth.

My point is only that discovery of origin not being from Earth is not a barrier.

a reply to: IMSAM

"They aren't making progress in reverse engineering the craft" tells me that this story may be true. You rarely see insiders admitting that progress wasn't made.

As someone else point out, it's not surprising that we can't reverse engineer something that far beyond our current technology.

Is "reverse engineering" the same thing as "duplicating"?